Here's how Microsoft's $500 Xbox One X compares to a PC

weren't there developers saying the xbox 1x is about a gtx 1070 in power perhaps slightly over?

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58011/ark-dev-xbox-one-pc-gtx-1070-16gb-ram/index.html

As for the comparisons between the PC and Xbox One X, he said: "If you think about it, it's kind of equivalent to a GTX 1070 maybe and the Xbox One X actually has 12GB of GDDR5 memory. It's kind of like having a pretty high-end PC minus a lot of overhead due to the operating system on PC. So I would say it's equivalent to a 16GB 1070 PC, and that's a pretty good deal for $499".

But what if you don't have a gaming PC to upgrade?

1.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JsVV9W

Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JsVV9W/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B250M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($65.99 @ Amazon)

Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($59.92 @ Amazon)

Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($42.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB STRIX Video Card ($429.99 @ NCIX US)

Case: BitFenix - Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)

Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($26.99 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive: LG - UH12NS40 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($42.88 @ OutletPC)

Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)

Total: $857.63

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.

Doesn't include assemble labor cost, 4K blu-ray drive, 4k blu-ray player software, support for FreeSync/HDMI 2.1 Variable V-sync and XBO controller.

Intel Kabylake for 4K Netflix.

2.

http://www.cdkeys.com/xbox-live/memberships/12-month-xbox-live-gold-membership-xbox-one-360

$45.99 XBL, Total: $682.96

http://www.cdkeys.com/playstation-network-psn/playstation-plus/1-year-playstation-plus-membership-ps3-ps4-ps-vita-digital-code

$54.99 PS Plus, Total: $618.96

@ronvalencia:

I expected cows to DC Mighty X1X like crazy but some herms are as bad or worse and twisting themselves into virtual pretzels to downplay X1X's bang for the buck. I'm gonna kick some outta the lem/herm family and they'll no longer be our herm cousins in good standing. lol :P

I never paid more than 45 for gold or plus per year. The lowest I paid twice was 30.

Now for the person adding 4 years of xbox live or psn to consolea price: it gives 5 free games per month making it 240 free games during 4 years (add the fact that xbox games are yours forever even if your gold expires).

avarage 40 per year makes 160 in 4 years

160 for...240 games. Im sure you see why you cant add that to console price.

You just helped prove my point.

1. I was saying upgrades. Not a brand new PC. You just gave me a list of a brand new PC. For people who are already PC gamers upgrading is the objectively superior option in terms of price and superior gaming device. But lets assume it's someone buying a 100% new PC who is new to the scene:

2. For someone buying a completely new rig, $850 is not too far off of ~$700 (XB1X+XBL), and you end up with a superior product. But yes, it absolutely costs more.

As I've stated several times before in this very thread, the better product costs more. I specifically stated a brand new PC will cost more and it will be factually superior in video gaming. In this case PC will still cost you more in the end (unless you merely upgrade), but you end up with the better gaming machine. Just like with most other products. The price just isn't THAT far off (People in this thread claiming 3-5x the price which is nonsense.)

I'm not twisting anything, I haven't said anything that isn't objectively true.

I can upgrade my PC for cheaper than it would cost me to buy a XB1X and maintain 4 years of XBL (~$700).....all while ending up with a factually superior setup that runs games better (DF) and has a significantly superior library (MC/GS).

This is a non refutable statement.

My friend Ronvelencia just listed above that it will cost you around $800-1000. This isn't too far off of XB1X+XBL costs.

The superior product costs more. As is with most things in life.

This argument is solved. For a brand new PC gamer XB1X is 30-50% cheaper in the first 3 years. For an Upgrader (and the gamer mentioned in sentence 1, if he is smart and upgrades in the XB2X cycle), XB1X might not be cheaper at all. For both instances, PC is the superior product.

I got a good laugh. They said that the GPU is no where near the power of the Titan XP. LMAO

So fu***** sh!t. - https://www.amazon.com/Nvidia-Titan-XP-Brand-Release/dp/B06Y5C27Y3/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498001384&sr=8-1&keywords=nvidia+titan+xp

LOL!! Why would it be? These idiots are a joke. They can't build a PC with the same power of the XB1X for less then $500. Even DF said it would be pretty much impossible.

They were making a point about the amount of GDDR5

"Scorpio boasts a generous 12GB of GDDR5 RAM with a memory bandwidth of 326GB/s—substantially higher than the 8GB and 256GB/s of AMD's RX 580 PC graphics card. To get that kind of memory on a PC graphics card, you'll have to step up to a GeForce Titan X"

"But don't mistake the GPU specs in Scorpio for equivalent PC power. There is no chance in hell the Scorpio's graphics power is anywhere near that of a Titan Xp just because it has the same amount of memory. If you were to buy something equivalent, expect an AMD RX 580 or GeForce GTX 1060, but those desktop graphics cards have less video memory."

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/df-there-were-only-2-true-4k-xbox-one-x-games-at-e-33395985/#135

https://www.vg247.com/2017/06/13/destiny-2-is-also-30fps-on-xbox-one-x/

Not worth $700 every 4 years. IMO of course.

I personally would rather use that on PC upgrades, keeping it quite a bit ahead of any XB model as far as gfx/performance are concerned. On top of many other benefits.

1. PC owners would still need to update their CPU for 4K Netflix and 4K Blu-ray playback. The minimum CPU is Intel's Kabylake.

2. My $857.63 number doesn't include XBO/PS4 controller, 4K blu-ray drive and 4K blu-ray playback software (e.g. PowerDVD). No 4K UHDTV will support NVIDIA's G-sync since it's not part of HDMI 2.1 standard.

With UHDTV with HDMI 2.1 upgrade cycle, this is why I still plan to buy RX Vega 64 and blu-ray player still needs replacing i.e. I'm don't share my primary PC with anybody else.

No data on GTX 1070's Destiny 2 results. GTX 1070 is less 4K capable when compared to GTX 1080/Titan Xp 1.0/1080 Ti/Titan XP 2.0.

There are only 3 known data points for GTX 1070 and X1X relationship i.e. Forza M6, ARC Survival (UE4) and Gears Of War 4 (UE4).

Destiny 2 will be running 60 fps on my PC, and 30 fps on XB1X. XB1X will only have two True 4k Games. PC will have them all true. Those are known facts.

I would never pay $700 for 30 fps, much less mostly fake 4k.

I'll stick with the far superior system, for a similar per-year price point.

Again, no official data on GTX 1070's Destiny 2 results.

What does that matter?

They would "need" to do no such thing. Netflix and Bluray Playback are not a video game essential feaetures, or even related to gaming. Stop being silly.

Base online gaming is. If you want to get into non gaming features, PC destroys XB1X. The list would be endless.

Controller cost to PC? Well add a KB/M peripheral cost to XB1X. But yes, a brand new PC for a brand new PC user who has no Windows or Peripherals (look how far you guys have to reach in hypothetical situations) will cost more. I'm not debating against that. I'm just saying it won't be 2-4x more like some goons here are saying.

However, Upgrading for actual PC gamers is far superior than XB1X in price and superior device.

The current argument is between GTX 1070 based PC vs X1X.

You understand that this is a losing argument? Correct? You get that it was a very bad idea for you to bring it up.....right?

PC Objectively can do thousands upon thousands of more non gaming tasks than Consoles.

Why are you doing this to yourself.

1. Example for losing the argument is to say $857.63 ~= $682.96,

$857.63 doesn't include XBO/PS4 controller, labor cost for assembling the PC parts (hence DIY PC fails the "white goods test"), 4K blu-ray player and 4K blu-ray playback software.

When HDMI 2.1 UHDTV with VRR arrives, NVIDIA G-Sync is useless.

2. Retail X1X can be easily unlocked into dev mode for running non-Xbox store Windows UWP apps. It's only missing Windows desktop GUI and Win32 support**.

X1X supports Office 365 via IE Edge.

**Impacts Win32/dotNET MS Office apps with automated business process plugins and other Win32 professional apps.

X1X was designed to consume video/audio media and play interactive games.

3. I plan to update my HD blu-ray player to 4K with HDMI 2.1 update cycle i.e. the entire HiFi stack e.g. Atmos receiver, 4K blu-ray, 4K UHDTV.

X1X can not perform every task a PC can. PC has significantly increased functionality than consoles. Unless you can provide a link showing XB1X will be able to run and use literally every PC Program and peripheral. To suggest a console can do more than a PC is absurd, and frankly grounds for muting if this forum had such a feature. Or at least making you wear a dunce-hat type sig/avatar.

What? I LITERALLY never stated the underline. You just made that up, you are so bad at debating you have to lie about what someone posted in the very same page, lol. You are objectively proving my argument - and I don't know how to respond to your posts because of this. I can't tell if your on my side or not (LMAO):

OWNED.

I originally stated, many times before you even butted in, that a brand new PC was going to cost you a bit more than XB1X. Just not exponentially more, as the dumb Lemmings/Trolls suggested. You helped me by proving this with your own parts prices (not including the non gaming fluff). So for a bit more, you end up with the considerably superior product (lol 30 fps and shit library).

Holy crap, you must have very very low IQ or must have not read this thread properly.

You are astonishingly bad at debate. Quick, post some off-topic charts and graphs so some SW novices might be tricked.

1. DIY PC update fails the white goods test.

Not all PC PSUs can handle GTX 1070 update.

Upgrading GTX 1070's cost doesn't include IT support labor cost.

Please stop embarrassing yourself. Fools like you are part of the reason why Apple's iOS wins against Microsoft.

2. "a bit more" is debatable.

3. A "little more" is debatable.

@zaryia said:

You are astonishingly bad at debate.

Irrelevant. You are actually posting irrelevant argument. My charts are relevant.

@zaryia said:

Quick, post some off-topic charts and graphs so some SW novices might be tricked.

Irrelevant. You are actually posting irrelevant argument. My charts are relevant.

They are not relevant. Posting how many people watch tv on XBOX and PS doesn't change the fact that PC has exponentially more functionality. The fact that you would even try to argue against that point is laughable.

Just like adding the irrelevant cost of freaking Netflix into the cost of a god damn gaming PC, lmao. This is a gaming forum.

A bit more is not debatable. The person I was quoting/debating stated it was several times the price. He lost. And you lost in proxy for butting in before reading our full discussion.

Are you trolling?

For entertainment usage, your arguments are NOT back by usage statistics.

You asserted my media consumption statistics are not relevant when usage statistics shows sizable media consumption on these game consoles.

You claimed my media consumption statistics being not relevant when you argued PC has exponentially more functionality. Hypocrite.

How many people watch TV on XBOX doesn't change the fact that PC has exponentially more functionality than a console.

This is a gaming forum, not a tv forum. Netflix and Bluray player costs are irrelevant. Bringing up non gaming features is pointless, and a losing debate on your side. PC does more. Lets stick with the gaming, were PC dominates XB as well.

Again, you claimed my media consumption statistics are not relevant when you argued PC has exponentially more functionality. Hypocrite.

Because you initially bring them up by trying to include Netflix costs. I'm trying to to tell you neither matter in this thread.

Netflix cost are applicable for both Windows 10 PC and XBox One, hence zero sum.

Again, you claimed my media consumption statistics are not relevant while you argued "PC has exponentially more functionality". Hypocrite.

Media consumption stats are 100% irrelevant, as is PC's functionality past gaming. This is a gaming thread and forum.

It was used to show you why putting in netflix costs was dumb. And it got you to stop. I was making a point. You do not understand arguments.

Back on topic:

1. Upgrading pc is cheaper and superior to XB1X

2. Brand new pc is more expensive (Not exponentially so) and superior to XB1X.

It's kind of pointless to argue pc vs consoles. Different things influence people in different ways. Economically speaking it's a case by case scenario. If you want absolute performance PC is the only answer, but going for high fps, resolution on a future proof machine will cost you many time the price of an Xbox. Not doing so, while still going for performance, will cost you too with the hardware upgrades. And games scale asymmetrically with time on console and PC. I mean, in the end of a console life cycle is when you'll get the most impressive games, while on the PC, ageing hardware is where you start to struggle to run a game. But you'll save in games and services on PC, and that amount over 5years or so, it's a lot of money. But some people can't afford the huge initial pay for PC, or the interest that will eat any monetary advantage the PC might give, if they can't pay all upfront. Plus if you have to pay for it to be built.

Then there's the usage, qualify of life. Some people don't know or feel confident using a PC. Some after a day at work just don't want to deal with it. And no matter how easy to use is PC nowadays it's still far from the console experience. And when it comes to technical issues the difference it's even bigger.

But at the same time it's also true that if you already need a home PC for non-gaming activities, PC gaming can be relatively inexpensive.

More and more could be said for each side. Point being that each person has its needs and debating over this makes little sense.

Your too good for System Wars :)

Again, you asserted my media consumption statistics are not relevant while you argued "PC has exponentially more functionality". Hypocrite.

1. It on depends on the PC's age and PSU capability.

For year 2013, Intel Ivybridge i3 + GTX 750 Ti was DF's console killer choice until it was beaten by PS4's Doom i.e. a demonstration on proper multi-threading CPU setup for PS4.

When Shader Model 6 lands, there's something missing on GTX 1070. I wonder who has the "Fine Wine" technology.

2. Only with the CPU.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58011/ark-dev-xbox-one-pc-gtx-1070-16gb-ram/index.html

As for the comparisons between the PC and Xbox One X, he said: "If you think about it, it's kind of equivalent to a GTX 1070 maybe and the Xbox One X actually has 12GB of GDDR5 memory. It's kind of like having a pretty high-end PC minus a lot of overhead due to the operating system on PC. So I would say it's equivalent to a 16GB 1070 PC, and that's a pretty good deal for $499".

Looking at Intel Haswell i3-4330 upgrade.

@tdkmillsy: Sorry!

My piece of plastic rulz your sux!

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Agreed on most of this.

It depends on the person.

However, I disagree on the bolded part. It's already been thoroughly detailed in this thread (and other threads) that machine from scratch will cost you at most 30-50% more than a XB1X + XBL. But your train of thought was purely correct, it's clearly more expensive. Just not exponentially or "many times" so. The upgrading option for people who are already PC gamers is even cheaper. Both end up with a superior product as far as numbers go. But as you stated, it isn't just about numbers.

XB1X will clearly have a ease of use for more people not versed and confident in technical aspects of PC gaming. Many people simply do not want to deal with any of that, and I completely understand.

But for those who are versed in such things, and just looking to upgrade, XB1X does not begin to compare (IMO).

@zaryia: Just to clarify I was saying that if you go for performance - as in solid 60fps, 4k - across all games, and for a "long" time, that will cost you a lot. GPU wise alone will cost you more than a Xbox. I was not making a comparison with the Xbox x, just saying that if you want the best you will pay for it.

People are comparing apples to oranges when it comes to PC and Console, you have to factor in the price of the games and the fact that you can do more than just gaming on the thing.

lmao i love the fact that they skipped windows yet added a small comment saying you might need to buy it.

this article screams desperation, legit grasping the straws

Not to mention the GTX 1060 is 400 dollars canadian on its own.

XB1X is a phenomenal system with that price, MS did a great job.

Freaking hilarious how cows hide behind PCs now.

XB1X shits all over the PS4 Pro.

"BBBUT MUH PC!!! GTX 1070 BETTUR HUHHRRR"

It's been factually listed in this thread several times. It's been done at PCgamer. It's been done at PCworld. You can make a rig that competes with 1X without going extreme prices.

Yes it still ends up being more costly (~$200), if you want to make it better than 1X. As the superior product costs more in the modern world. Welcome to reality.

However, as far as upgrading an already established rig goes - XB1X is a big joke. No PC gamer is going to make the swap to an inferior system when they can just upgrade to a far better system for a similar cost.