GTX 1050 Ti review and benchmarks = beats PS4 Pro

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-review

Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti - the Digital Foundry verdict

Brutally efficient and highly frugal, the GTX 1050 Ti is a clear winner in its £140/$140 price category, easily outclassing both of the factory overclocked RX 460 4GB models we were sent for testing. What Nvidia has managed to extract from the minuscule 75W offered by the motherboard PCI Express power line is quite remarkable, and as a simple plug-and-go replacement for lower-end desktop PCs, there's nothing on the market quite like it. More remarkable still is that it even has a fair amount of overclocking headroom - and higher-end models that do have the PCI Express power input should easily hit and exceed 2GHz, something we look forward to testing.

stock 1050 ti is on average 75% of RX 470

Toms Hardware 1050 ti review http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti,4787-5.html

very moderate OC on 1050 ti to 1933mhz gives 10% boost on average

Hardocp 1050 ti http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/10/25/msi_geforce_gtx_1050_ti_gaming_x_4g_review/7#.WA-s6h5rjio

PS4 Pro performance vs RX 480 explained

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-we-built-a-pc-with-playstation-neo-gpu-tech

comparing 1050 ti to PS4 Pro

so its confirmed that a $350 PC should outperform PS4 Pro

What "350$ PC" ?

Most PCs for gaming will outperform consoles. There are PC's already out performing Scorpio, and Scorpio isn't even out yet.

That chart's pretty stupid. PS4 Pro is at least as powerful as 470.

no its not, see the eurogamer detailed spec comparison, with 480, 470 is about 90% as powerfull as 480 and ps4 pro is far behind, read the articles and check the comparisons

$70-90 CPU + $140 GPU, weak PSU, the rest all very basic and cheap, just as console parts

I'd spend at least 450 and get a quality gold PSU and a decent motherboard. But yeah, this would be pretty cheap, especially if you compare it to paying for online every year.

I don't see any meaningful or direct comparison with the PS4 Pro - which has graphical capabilities still quite unclear given that it is using a weird transitional set of tech. All I see is a cheap card performing generally much worse than a 470 and slightly better than a 950...

i agree, i will upgrade to a 1060 instead of this, but that is the point off those cheap cards, you dont even need a decent PSU, if youre really on a budget (like a $400 console budget) then you will be happier with this PC instead of the pro

Windows?

Very impressive Nvidia, youve really out done yourselves.

Here is my attempt: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/8bzZ2R

Ends up being $360. I would not necessarily buy since I just chose the cheapest thing in each category... but I almost want to buy everything just to benchmark it. I was surprised it ended up being so cheap.

I would not go with a amd cpu

@abtoxin: me either... but console manufacturers would so we do too because it provides the best $/performance for the sake of comparison.

It's a quad-core, 3.7GHz, overclockable CPU for $67, and free shipping. Pretty crazy

See this:

Also

What 90$ CPU? You would need an i3 at the very least to not crappy frametimes/stutters for a playable experience and anything close to what the Pro will be outputting. And like I said, it's going to be at least as powerful as the 470, which costs nowhere near 140$.

Xbox Scorpio is going to use Zen for it's CPU and that's not even out yet in the PC market.

TCHBO.

may aswell update my video card and save the 600 dollars the pro will cost.

Plus, Sony exclusives are rare these days.

@nygamespotter: 470 is like 170 now lol

@blueeyedcasva: He said 140 "lol"

Now you'll say 30$ is like 0$.

PS4 Pro specs based on 36 CU count at 911mhz and its TFLOP number puts it around r9 380x range , or 15% slower than RX470.

RX 470 provides up to 4.9 TFLOPS while PS4 Pro is 4.2 TFLOPS which is near 15% difference

@04dcarraher: I really don't think there's a great direct comparison to be made. By CUs it looks like a 480, not a 470, downclocked. But it has a TFLOPS rating in a range easier to label as a downclocked 470. But it also has some features not even present on either consumer card. But it is hampered by a crap CPU. But...

it's just a mess. All I know is a $140 (yeah right) that performs like this is a good buy, and impressive for the power consumption especially, but I don't know how we can compare to Pro performance at this time

@kvally:

Vega has double rate 16 bit FP mode ie. It can turn 6 TFLOPS 32 bit FP into 12 TFLOPS 16 bit FP mode. Scorpio may have this feature and current PC GPUs doesn't have this feature.

But will it run Uncharted 4?

@leandrro: DF's article with fake PS4 Pro via under clock RX-480 is already superceded by DF's article on PS4 Pro's double rate 16 bit FP claims.

@xantufrog: Yea I simplified it. But like you stated mediocre CPU, lower gpu clocks which affects processing speed. Its ballpark performance will be around RX470 at most.

Those 4.9 numbers are from boost clocks, it doesnt hold it all the time, pretty sure it throttles sometimes but someone else could explain it better.

AMD themselves advertises it as "upto 4.9TFLOPS".

Also have to explain that the 16bit rendering will only be done on some rendering aspects in games. So you will never see the GPU double its 16bit output total potential. It will be mixed precision workload.

As long as you have proper cooling and power maintaining boost clocks is normal and easily done.

@nygamespotter: lol funny

you should go with 2 ram sticks for dual channel

i replaced the 320hdd for a 1tb, and replaced the good psu that could be used even on a 1070 for a case + psu combo, also got a cheaper mobo and the amx x4 845 that has better performance per dollar, its now $352

comparing to the ps4 pro its a system with a much faster CPU, and 11gb for games,

i guess a system like this (or maybe with a little better CPU) would compare itself to the ps4 pro almost as the same as the old digital foundry pc with a 750 ti that could beat ps4 in almost every game

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/leandrro/saved/#view=DfLJxr

the rx 480 stock clocked at 5,8TF and with a minuscule overclock is what you would expect from the 6TF scorpio, the PS4 pro is far behind it and far behind the 470 which is 90% of 480's performance

i agree with you, a i3 should be the minimum for current games, look at the pathetic Batttlefield 1 framerates on the PS4, its 900p (sometimes much less) with low mendium settings and stays many times around 40fps, all due to the weak CPU, PS4 pro only has a overclocked version of that,

those new consoles are being designed in way no PC gamer would build a PC, and they show the exact bottlenecks you would expect from such a weak CPU, "to the metal" APIs are not doing any magic for the PS4 and X1

@leandrro: A PS4 pro beats a 460 so this is irrelevant.

170 doesn't seem far off from 140 you could probably grab it for much cheaper second hand by the end of the year

I just ordered a 1050Ti for the PC I'm building for family members for Christmas. This is my first mATX build. I look forward to sharing this build with everyone. It's by no means a budget build. The overall cost is around $1,100. The GPU was the least of my focus, but Nvidia did a great job of giving me a good alternative to going GPU-less for this build. Not needing a 6-pin power connection was HUGE.

What is that build for if the bulk of the budget didn't go towards the GPU? And Jesus, just how much make and what do you do for a living? You buy Titans and high-end components like they were sold at your dollar store.

This makes me excited for the Nintendo Switch. Good power efficiency means better graphics or better battery life for the console.

@04dcarraher:

16 bit FP shading is the Geforce FX rendering path. Multiple PS3 titles are shaded with 16 bit FP since Geforce 7 GPUs has performance issues with heavy 32 bit FP shading. PS3 titles that requires heavy 32 bit FP shading has to be transferred to SPEs.

Xbox 360 GPU has 10 bit FP shading modes, hence DX12's optional 10 bit FP modes. Full DX12 GPU has native shading modes for 10 bit FP, 16 bit FP, 32 bit FP and no PC dGPU has fullfill this specs.

DF claimed PS4 Pro's first 4K/60 fps game to be double rate 16 bit FP optimised game which is 4X rendering output over PS4's 1080p/60 fps version.

i7 6700K, 250GB SSD, 3 TB 7200 RPM HDD, 16 GB DDR4 etc. I'm trying to build a "high end" PC for a non-gamer that will last a few years. My In-Laws generally overspend on Apple computers that are out of date a year after they buy them. Today you can spend $1299 on an iMac with a cheesy i5, 8 GB of RAM, a 1 TB HDD and a shit GPU. I am pretty much giving them twice the computer for the same price. I told them I could build them something much better for the money and they accepted.

I'm an engineer for a diagnostic imaging company. I'm a tech junkie who is fortunate to work with some cutting edge stuff while being able to afford some nice things as well. There are other users here that put me to shame though... Just look at the benchmarking thread in the PC hardware forum.

This is a bullshit comparison if I ever saw one.

Was that chart made in MS paint? :D

@abtoxin: Because PS4 and Xbox One have Intel processors?...

Sure. But 480 doesn't have as much bandwidth as the Scorpio dude. I mean I'm fully expecting it to use Vega anyway but I'd say it's much more likely to work like a 390X than a 480. 390X has better performance on higher resolutions.

But what about the CPU?

All we know is that it has an 8 core CPU.

I'd rather get a PS4 pro then cobble some PoS PC together. You can enjoy wonderful games like Bloodborn and Uncharted 4 right now. PC gamers are stuck playing League of Legends watching Star Shitizen promo videos. Lol! FF15, RDR2? Who knows when they'll release on PC. Thanks but no thanks. You can take your computer parts and shove them right back up your ass.

This. My rig probably outperforms the Scorpio and Pro combined.

Outperforming a console is nothing impressive, plus people like me who get a Pro, are getting it for the exclusives. People who will get a Scorpio are probably getting it because they don't have a PC/want a PC and instead want the best versions of multiplats.

@Pray_to_me: You gotta control that anger, boi.

The PS4 is going to be a joke and made fun of because it won't do 4K native.