FF VII Remake Graphics King?

Stronger PC isn't the word, (well technically is) its the advantages PC offering you are overlooking. Whenever we have consoles vs PC polls, the results are always going to be PC winning over consoles thus this doesn't help your claim PC gamers are small minority. But really, consoles and PC will always have their place, that's still a known fact. I maybe a PC gamer, I have nothing against consoles, just the fact PC gives me everything I could ask for and its no wonder why PC gamers are all over console gamers.

I know there are lots of PC players, but I'm saying high end PC players are a minority. People with top of the line hardware, as opposed to PC gamers with lower end rigs, which I know there are a lot of.

RDR2 on Mighty X1X makes FF ReCashGrab look like a PS2 game. :P

TC acting like most should know he was being sarcastic about FF VII R being "graphics king" when most are just lower end pc gamers or console or handheld gamers. So naturally only the few elite PC gamers with expensive rigs would be aware of better looking software.

SW posters live in a bubble, and most gamers don't care about highest frame rates, tech shit and what have you, they just want to play fun games. It's always been that way and always will be, where the lowest common denominator is a majority over dedicated users.

That's why it went over so many people's heads, even here. Because the game actually does look like a potential graphics king game to many of us.

Better looking software than the images posted in the OP? Erm, Righto!! Yeah, that's definitely the tippity-top of the PS4's capabilities.

I don't think we'll see a real fix for this on PS4. I think the main issue is using a 5400rpm hard drive in 2020.

I have a few spare SSDs so I think after I finish my first play through I will try swapping. Still limited to SATA 2, but that's about 3X the speed of a 5400rpm drive.

I never said combined I said the comparable consoles. There are more PC's powerful than X that there are X. There are more PC's powerful than Pro than there are Pro. Same for X1, PS4 or whatever console you want to include. Oh and I don't have to provide numbers. You claimed it, so the onus is on you to proof that it's a small minority.

Nobody should put stock in screen captures.

@briguyb13:

Ah, gotcha. I mean at least I get where you're coming from with that comment now.

That being said, wasn't even factoring in PC as there are console games that are consistently better looking. Not denying that FFVIIR is a a real looker when everything comes together right. Just that between the topic title and the images, the sarcasm seemed dead obvious, even if only compared to other console games.

The textures are really, really poor at times, wonder why, still diggin' the game though.

Thought the shitty screenshot were a dead giveaway lol. They look terrible stacked up against every decent looking AAA game even on consoles. No need for a top-tier PC to beat those screens.

In this case, why not? It's a noted problem... I have no idea how you didn't take that post as sarcasm.

It was an absolute giveaway. The sarcasm was very clear lol.

This is a game engine problem, not hardware. Maybe if the PS4 had support for a 4GB/s SSD it would help with the problem, but I doubt it would solve it completely. GTA5 can stream textures in a whole world with nice details, but the Unreal engine can't stream in textures in a small town with a few NPC's in it?

The occasional texture issues don't really bother me as much as the disparity between the degree of fidelity accorded to the main characters as opposed to the NPCs. It's pretty glaring, and stems from a decision on eschewing more of an anime stylization and moving towards a more realistic approach. I think what would've been better for a remake would've been adhering to a more faithful 3D recreation of the original concept art:

Halfway between chibi and realistic, to then base everything around that style. To go to such a degree of realism in the characters necessitates parity with everything that surrounds them at all times, which increases the workload, and makes contrasts all the more problematic and apparent.

That's pretty much how I feel as well. Console, PC, mobile...doesn't matter as long as we are all having fun with video games. But when you start talking shit, expect there to be some shit.

Maybe another way to say is that PC does not start the fight, but it sure as hell finishes it.

I wish this were not true, but sadly I feel it is.

Japanese art direction is pretty creative and great in many fields (art, cinema, comics, and games), I wish more developers had the technical aptitude to execute their vision to the fullest extent.

I'd be curious to see just how much of the console's overall power is being used on Japanese games. How far it is pushing the hardware.

Nothing. Nothing at all.

I was addressing briguyb13, not Juub1990.

Oh for sure! I'm not playing down or hating on Japan at all. I would take Japanese gameplay over the vast majority of western games but after PS2 Japan's game technology is severely lagging behind. Don't know what caused it but here we are.

What I heard from many people is that ironically most people in Japan just wants to work in games industry and not in other fields of computer science so that eventually led to less exposure and growth in general.

Tifa is cute af

Very inconsistent graphics. At worst it looks like a PS2 game at best it could pass for PS5 launch title :p

If it's a texture streaming issue, I wonder if playing it on a SSD makes these issues go away (even if you just have a typical 1TB SSD in your PS4, but of course also the PS5 with it's much faster loading SSD).

I'll probably wait to play this game until I have a PS5.

Apparently not that big of a difference according to DF. They had a colleague test it on a new model Pro with an SSD.

and they say the ssd will not help make these games look better. and yet the pop ins and loss of textures ect. is a harddrive problem. there to much to load at the same time. imagine this game with a ssd behind it. no more texture problems.

@gifford38: Read what I said right above you. An SSD makes marginal difference with this issue.

the game is still coded from the harddrive even if you have a ssd it is not optimized for the ssd. if they started that data from the ssd stand point it would be much different. this what most people don't understand this gen when moving to a ssd for these dev's to start from. watch the cerny ps 5 reveal it explains it alot better. game like spiderman having to load all the hundreds of fire hydrants on the entire map just to play one block at a time.

these games today are still coded for a harddrive so the ssd just speeds that code faster. now take a ssd from start there is no looking for this or that it just streams. the harddrive has to look for say a game like spiderman all the fire hydrants on the whole map but only loads one block at a time leaving those hydrants that is not needed at that time floating. but with ssd it only has to load ten hydrants on that block. so hard to explain in words. mark did so much better.

this is also why dev's asked for ssd in our consoles more than just power. harddrive is limiting them on how they need to code the game.

Like most Asian societies, Japanese society generally values technical professions (e.g. science and engineering) far more highly than creative professions (e.g. cinema and games). Most Japanese would much rather work in a respectable profession like computer science than a not-so-respectable profession like video games. So there's no issue there.

The real issue is the language barrier. Most Japanese either can't speak English, or their understanding of English is very basic. Yet much of the world's cutting-edge technical resources are in the English language. If you can't speak or read English, you lose access to all those cutting-edge English resources. If you just rely on translations (like most Japanese), it takes time to translate those resources into the local language, by which time you just end up lagging behind.

@lundy86_4: an SSD on a next gen console with higher available bandwidth will help fix this issue. But on a PS4 where the max available bandwidth from the drive is still only 100MB/s no matter what drive you use, it won't help much. But I can assume the devs didn't copy enough assets on the drive to keep the HDD read speeds at max, most games does this. FF7 is proof that going for a fast SSD next gen was a right call, it will remove a lot of work for devs, and games will take up less space on the drive , at least before they add the higher quality textures.

Well, I heard the complete opposite when I had a couple of job offers in Japan and asked around. I was told that if I'm not working in a game company I won't be considered as cool or the overall exposure and growth won't be that much as most software engineers just want to work in gaming industry.

I would find that quite surprising, as it's not consistent with what I've heard from people who've lived in Japan (e.g. what I mentioned in my previous post).

Being a mature gamer is more socially frowned upon in Japan than in the West. Despite the average age of the Japanese population being the highest in the world (49 years old), the average age of Japanese gamers is just 27 years old, lower than Western countries like the US, where the average gamer age is 37 years old.

So how can game development be such a respectable profession in Japan if being a mature gamer is socially frowned upon there? That doesn't quite add up.

Game looks amazing on my PS4 Pro. No pretending here. Not sure why you are trolling?

Are you? Because the texture problem is well documented.

Game looks amazing on my PS4 Pro. You have an issue with that?

I don't care what it looks like on your Pro. The game has a documented texture streaming problems and some textures not loading up at all. No one gives a shit what your personal experience is. And you're asking if people are trolls.

I don't know but these are the things I found on StackExchange, Quora and even Glassdoor. The responders were all expats or ex-expats in Japan so I think I would have felt the same. The unanimous consensus was if you have a respected job in west and money is not a sole motivator then don't come here unless you're a die-hard fan of Japanese culture.

Holy shit, you are triggered. The game looks great on my PS4 Pro. If you don't give a shit, then WHY IN THE **** are you responding? Calm down dude, it's just plastic.

@x_hedon: You’re the one coming with a "u mad" response then ask if others are trolling.

If you say so. I just tire of people trying to tell OTHERS that their experience is NOT correct. There is no good reason for that, other than to troll.

@x_hedon: Nobody told you your experience is not correct. We said there is a known texture problem/bug and your personal experience is irrelevant to that.

Fine if you feel that way. I am just pointing out how great the game looks. I hope whatever known bugs there are, are fixed for those experiencing them.