EA: We don't want to piss off Dead Space fans

Dat broadened appeal. Say your final prayers for Dead Space now.

I still don't get the amount of anger produced by the stuff announced so far. We've seen about five minutes of a game that looked a hell of a lot like a new Dead Space.

Safe to say I'm already pissed off...Co-Op will get rid of the feeling that being in isolation gave and more action will just turn it into room after room of gun fights. Resident Evil 5 springing to mind here?!OhJayDubya

[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"]Safe to say I'm already pissed off...Co-Op will get rid of the feeling that being in isolation gave and more action will just turn it into room after room of gun fights. Resident Evil 5 springing to mind here?!m_machine024

Yeah I was mad at co-op too, but then I heard how they went about it.

My biggest issue with RE5 was Sheva just being a terrible AI partner, so it was really only amazing in co-op. Dead Space 3 on the other hand, removes Carver so he's an NPC character that doesn't follow Isaac around, and they also retooled every cutscene to work with both scenarios. Kind of reminds me of how Halo 3 handled that (with Arbiter sometimes showing up in a specific part if he wasn't used in co-op).

So I'm more excited, especially since Visceral keeps claiming they just wanted to show the most action in the E3 demo.

That said, I'm still very wary. I mean, cover based shooting? Semi dual wielding type ability? Bullets flying everywhere in that demo without regards to conservation? I'll have to play the game first.

it's EA, if they don't turn the franchise into casualized mp garbage, they are doing it wrong

[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"]Safe to say I'm already pissed off...Co-Op will get rid of the feeling that being in isolation gave and more action will just turn it into room after room of gun fights. Resident Evil 5 springing to mind here?!m_machine024

And another franchise dudebro-ified

The thing is they say "We won't bring it away from horror" etc. but they have forgotten what Horror is by now so their idea of keeping horror in the game to us comes off as crappy action segments with big monsters and explosions.

Also here is a GTTV episode on DS 3 for anyone who missed it

http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/gametrailers-tv/159?ch=1

I do not want to play Dead Space anymore now and I think DS2 will be the best in the series for me

one time I went to my basement and play Dead Space 2 on my laptop in pitch black darkness. Amazing.

#certaingamesdon'tneedco-op

that is sarcasm/

I want to use my co-op partner as a meatshield, either as a player or AI

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[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"]Safe to say I'm already pissed off...Co-Op will get rid of the feeling that being in isolation gave and more action will just turn it into room after room of gun fights. Resident Evil 5 springing to mind here?!SPYDER0416

Yeah I was mad at co-op too, but then I heard how they went about it.

My biggest issue with RE5 was Sheva just being a terrible AI partner, so it was really only amazing in co-op. Dead Space 3 on the other hand, removes Carver so he's an NPC character that doesn't follow Isaac around, and they also retooled every cutscene to work with both scenarios. Kind of reminds me of how Halo 3 handled that (with Arbiter sometimes showing up in a specific part if he wasn't used in co-op).

So I'm more excited, especially since Visceral keeps claiming they just wanted to show the most action in the E3 demo.

That said, I'm still very wary. I mean, cover based shooting? Semi dual wielding type ability? Bullets flying everywhere in that demo without regards to conservation? I'll have to play the game first.

How could you not piss off a bunch of people that b1tch whine and moan just for the sake of it? Just make the game you want to make and deal with the fallout later. It doesn't matter how you approach it, people are going to find something to complain about from the first screenshot shown.

You know what game could probably use co-op well and NOT turn into an action title? Amnesia.

I mean, the other games empower you in SOME way, but Amnesia does not at all. If you combined that with no voice chat (like in Demon's/Dark Souls), random and unannounced join ins (like in Journey), and some sort of mechanic to make trust and betrayal an iffy issue depending on who you play with (as in F3AR), and maybe throw in some ways to mess with the player (like having said friendly player look like a monster with low sanity), then you could craft the first truly terrifying survival horror co-op title.

Sorry for the off topic tangent, just an idea I had.

They are broadening the appeal by making it look like Gears of War? I guess.

TBH, I don't see this game selling too well.

And another franchise dudebro-ified

SuperFlakeman

EA already loves to piss off their consumers with on disc DLC and online passes.

EA already loves to piss off their consumers with on disc DLC and online passes.

HaloPimp978

And another franchise dudebro-ified

SuperFlakeman

Dead Space's Appeal

-You're a lone under-armed Engineer,

-Surrounded by sneaking horrors in close quarters

-Trapped on a derelict ship in space, managing your oxygen and dealing with zero gravity

- improvising combat based on strategic dismemberment

Dead Space 3's ''Broadened'' Appeal

-You've got a smack talking sidekick and friggin co-op,

-You're going to fight space marines,

-You're gonna be on a snowy planet, because **** the ''Space'' in Dead Space,

-You'll be firing space guns with a cover system

I really hope the final product isn't this awful, but the ''Promos'' we've seen so far look more like smear campaigns...

The thing is they say "We won't bring it away from horror" etc. but they have forgotten what Horror is by now so their idea of keeping horror in the game to us comes off as crappy action segments with big monsters and explosions.

Also here is a GTTV episode on DS 3 for anyone who missed it

http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/gametrailers-tv/159?ch=1

I do not want to play Dead Space anymore now and I think DS2 will be the best in the series for me

seanmcloughlin

:(. It's such a great franchise at heart. Should make less linear levels. Focus some more on Isaacs engineer skills by adding more advanced zero-gravity puzzles. Also more suspense and slower pacing/less action. But no :(.Sushiglutton

Metroidvania Dead Space game. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]:(. It's such a great franchise at heart. Should make less linear levels. Focus some more on Isaacs engineer skills by adding more advanced zero-gravity puzzles. Also more suspense and slower pacing/less action. But no :(.DarkGamer007

Metroidvania Dead Space game. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]:(. It's such a great franchise at heart. Should make less linear levels. Focus some more on Isaacs engineer skills by adding more advanced zero-gravity puzzles. Also more suspense and slower pacing/less action. But no :(.Coyful

Metroidvania Dead Space game. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

Thinking about how well Batman: Arkham Asylum did that, it makes me wonder as well why they never tried doing that sort of Metroidvania style in a game that is ripe for such a thing.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

The thing is they say "We won't bring it away from horror" etc. but they have forgotten what Horror is by now so their idea of keeping horror in the game to us comes off as crappy action segments with big monsters and explosions.

Also here is a GTTV episode on DS 3 for anyone who missed it

http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/gametrailers-tv/159?ch=1

I do not want to play Dead Space anymore now and I think DS2 will be the best in the series for me

Jamiemydearx3

I have played the first and beat it about 8 times. fantastic game but I think DS2 improved on it in every way gameplay wise and DS1 was never sh!t your pants scary, DS2 retained some semblence of horror (Moving wheelchairs, dark rooms that suddenly all the lights come on) and it had action too so it blended the two very well. But DS3 looks to be even more action heavy and that's not what I want

Well too late, because they did! The new one is just a 3rd person shooter, it's nothing like the old ones. There is no tension, no walking down dark hallways slowly and scared, it's just an action game now. You don't even have to aim strategic anymore to defeat enemies, the other ones you have cut off their heads, their feet ect...with this you just shoot them.

It's going to be a fail, fvck you EA for ruining a great series.

Well too late, because they did! The new one is just a 3rd person shooter, it's nothing like the old ones. There is no tension, no walking down dark hallways slowly and scared, it's just an action game now. You don't even have to aim strategic anymore to defeat enemies, the other ones you have cut off their heads, their feet ect...with this you just shoot them.

It's going to be a fail, fvck you EA for ruining a great series.

ShadowMoses900

Well too late, because they did! The new one is just a 3rd person shooter, it's nothing like the old ones. There is no tension, no walking down dark hallways slowly and scared, it's just an action game now. You don't even have to aim strategic anymore to defeat enemies, the other ones you have cut off their heads, their feet ect...with this you just shoot them.

It's going to be a fail, fvck you EA for ruining a great series.

ShadowMoses900

You do actually. Watch the GTTV episode I posted up above there is an extended demo of the game and he dismembers guys just like the older games. He also walks through a lot of very dark caves

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Well too late, because they did! The new one is just a 3rd person shooter, it's nothing like the old ones. There is no tension, no walking down dark hallways slowly and scared, it's just an action game now. You don't even have to aim strategic anymore to defeat enemies, the other ones you have cut off their heads, their feet ect...with this you just shoot them.

It's going to be a fail, fvck you EA for ruining a great series.

seanmcloughlin

You do actually. Watch the GTTV episode I posted up above there is an extended demo of the game and he dismembers guys just like the older games

Dead Space 3 is as much Dead Space as Splinter Cell Blacklist is Splinter Cell (ok maybe not that bad but still.......)

So long as it doesn't turn into RE5:?

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Well too late, because they did! The new one is just a 3rd person shooter, it's nothing like the old ones. There is no tension, no walking down dark hallways slowly and scared, it's just an action game now. You don't even have to aim strategic anymore to defeat enemies, the other ones you have cut off their heads, their feet ect...with this you just shoot them.

It's going to be a fail, fvck you EA for ruining a great series.

Animal-Mother

You do actually. Watch the GTTV episode I posted up above there is an extended demo of the game and he dismembers guys just like the older games

It eased a lot of worries I had but I would like to see a little more. Not sure if I like the openess of it and the fact that there are a lot more people around seemingly and you fight normal men with guns from cover. But I am more enthused about it now

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

You do actually. Watch the GTTV episode I posted up above there is an extended demo of the game and he dismembers guys just like the older games

seanmcloughlin

It eased a lot of worries I had but I would like to see a little more. Not sure if I like the openess of it and the fact that there are a lot more people around seemingly and you fight normal men with guns from cover. But I am more enthused about it now

''In general we're thinking about how we make this a more broadly appealing franchise, because ultimately you need to get to audience sizes of around five million to really continue to invest in an IP like Dead Space.''

''Anything less than that and it becomes quite difficult financially given how expensive it is to make games and market them.''

Huh?

''In general we're thinking about how we make this a more broadly appealing franchise, because ultimately you need to get to audience sizes of around five million to really continue to invest in an IP like Dead Space.''

''Anything less than that and it becomes quite difficult financially given how expensive it is to make games and market them.''

Huh?

Wild_man_22

[QUOTE="Wild_man_22"]

''In general we're thinking about how we make this a more broadly appealing franchise, because ultimately you need to get to audience sizes of around five million to really continue to invest in an IP like Dead Space.''

''Anything less than that and it becomes quite difficult financially given how expensive it is to make games and market them.''

Huh?

Animal-Mother

so 5 million is now the benchmark for flop on any game? sigh

The dumbasses at EA dont realize that, most likely, people arent going to play Dead Space 3 if they haven't played the first two games. It will not increase sales.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Wild_man_22"]

''In general we're thinking about how we make this a more broadly appealing franchise, because ultimately you need to get to audience sizes of around five million to really continue to invest in an IP like Dead Space.''

''Anything less than that and it becomes quite difficult financially given how expensive it is to make games and market them.''

Huh?

Wild_man_22

so 5 million is now the benchmark for flop on any game? sigh

What is this BS about needing to expand the audience to 5 million just to maintain the franchise? Dead Space 1 only sold 2 million copies, and I'm pretty sure EA did just fine in profits from that. They did well enough to make a more expensive sequel at least... They're just greedy.

It's definitely not getting away from gore or horror,Article

I think it's telling that he conflates the two.

Anyway, if I was in charge of making Dead Space a huge commercial success, the last thing I would do is try to make it into some me-too, run-of-the-mill TPS. There's no room for that in this market anymore, so it's not going to do any better than the previous games did. Probably worse.

Does a company ever really want to upset their fan bases? No, of course not. However, EA is developing a knack for doing just that.

Oh look, another game designed to appease the duMasses

[QUOTE="Coyful"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Metroidvania Dead Space game. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

SPYDER0416

Thinking about how well Batman: Arkham Asylum did that, it makes me wonder as well why they never tried doing that sort of Metroidvania style in a game that is ripe for such a thing.

Oh joy... I just love that kind of talk. You always know where it heads to with games when a company like EA is behind them. I don't personally mind the co-op though. The main way EA could piss me off would be to make it online ONLY co-op. I want to play it locally with someone right next to me if I'm gonna play any co-op in DS.