DVD9 will not cut it in 2008

If DVD9 doesn't cut it, they can always make DVD18 games.

Dual sided dual layered DVDs hold 15GB of data.

If DVD9 doesn't cut it, they can always make DVD18 games.

Dual sided dual layered DVDs hold 15GB of data.

c_smithii

lol

I expected a well thought out post outlining information about the amount of space games have been taking up in relation to the inability of compression technology to keep up with the growth of sheer data that needs to be used to program a game.

Instead I get a one liner, so I leave you with this. DVD9 will cut it as long as you can compress data. Microsoft are not a bunch of teenagers, they know how much space games take up, and they know that a DVD9 can hold any game that any developer wants to make in the near future.

All this PR nonsense coming from Sony saying that games cannot be done on the 360 is completely false. The PS3 and 360 have very close specs when it comes to what they can render graphically and the physics they can handle, the only reason MGS4, or Uncharted, or Final Fantasy XIII can't be done on the 360 is because they haven't been compressed yet, and since they're on a blu-ray disk don't need to be.

Please go away.

2, 3,4 disk solves the problem

Shut her down.

Sony is a pro hardware company MS is a software company. They take diffrent roads to a solution.no?real45

There is no problem. When did you ever hear developers complaining about the space of a DVD9? When were there games that were severely handicapped due to lack of space? When did features have to be removed or graphics downgraded in the interest of saving space?

NEVER! Until blu-ray came out and Sony started putting developers on their payrole to say that blu-ray was a logical step forward. But the fact is, it isn't, and DVD9 as a format for video games has a lot of life left in it.

Blu-ray, as a format for video games, is a joke and a lie. Blu-ray was launched as a high definition video format, as we all forget, and since high definition video takes up a lot more space than a video that's not in high definition it makes sense for a new format to be launched to accommodate that new requirement.

The same can't be said for video games, and the only reason Sony uses blu-ray as it's chosen format for games is to push it as a movie format.

[QUOTE="real45"]Sony is a pro hardware company MS is a software company. They take diffrent roads to a solution.no?Suyomizzle_

There is no problem. When did you ever hear developers complaining about the space of a DVD9? When were there games that were severely handicapped due to lack of space? When did features have to be removed or graphics downgraded in the interest of saving space?

NEVER! Until blu-ray came out and Sony started putting developers on their payrole to say that blu-ray was a logical step forward. But the fact is, it isn't, and DVD9 as a format for video games has a lot of life left in it.

Blu-ray, as a format for video games, is a joke and a lie. Blu-ray was launched as a high definition video format, as we all forget, and since high definition video takes up a lot more space than a video that's not in high definition it makes sense for a new format to be launched to accommodate that new requirement.

The same can't be said for video games, and the only reason Sony uses blu-ray as it's chosen format for games is to push it as a movie format.

Lemme see, yutz:

Mass Effect = Over 35 hours of gameplay including all quests
Uncharted = Less than 10 hours of gameplay including all levels

Whas that? Mazel tov. /thread

for me, mass effect was the test. if bioware could get a big game, with loads of speech, onto one disc then blu-ray would be a waste of space for games. bioware did it, ME is a very respectably sized game from what i hear, and it looks fantastic. the performance issues its having are irrelevent as that has nothing to do with disc capacity (because thats what were talking about here, blu-ray only holds data. it doesnt improve performance or do any other magic, its a storage medium).

so everything has changed now. any dev who says they cant get there game to fit on a dvd is incompetent, its that simple. if bioware can fit a bloody big game onto a single disc then theres no reason why anyone else cant. the only advantage blu-ray now offers is the ability to put loads of languages on the one disc and have tons of FMV. whoodie frickin do.

look, oblivion is massive and it looks great. its probably going to be the biggest game this gen in terms of content. it fits on half a DVD. if bethesda wanted, they could put oblivion and shivering isles and all the other expansions onto one DVD, and still have enough for a direct port of morrowind also. anyone worried that UT3 wont fit on a single DVD? dont be, the PC version is just under 8GB, itll fit with space to spare.

osan0

Gaad, people like you are going to be eating their words when MGS4 rolls out.

crap, i forgot all DVD media expires on midnight, dec 31st, 07.

better buy me some blurayz.

it has nothing do with larger games per se, more levels... but rather advanced graphics, textures, sound will have the benefit from extra disk space + hey, if I am going to pay $60 bucks for a game, I would want more playing time...I hope I did not give an impression of being an xbox 360 hater since I do own one as well. It was great when it came out but it has seen its last run, not due to the hardware, but the limitation ofdvd9.

jofu74

what ps3 comes close to crysis technicly? as it has the best of everything to date and is under 7gb while some ps3 games can't even match farcry and are way bigger

larger, better games, AI, graphics, sound need more space! BLU-RAY ALL THE WAY.

2008 - the disappearance of the xbox 360

jofu74

You are wrong.

I rest my case.

Crysis fit on a single DVD9 with 6,2 GIG... that alone is telling everything.Redgarl

exactly, but as usally they go overboard with what the box states 12gb :lol: ps3 doesn't have enough cpu/gpu power let along ram to use blu ray to its max

He claims better AI will need more space.

Everyone point and laugh.

[QUOTE="jofu74"]

larger, better games, AI, graphics, sound need more space! BLU-RAY ALL THE WAY.

2008 - the disappearance of the xbox 360

Fumpa

You are wrong.

I rest my case.

You are a freaking idiot sir.

Look at Mass effect and Crysis both fit onto a DVD9 nicely with a few gigs left over. have u even seen how huge those games are? Forget all the Blu Ray crap.

larger, better games, AI, graphics, sound need more space! BLU-RAY ALL THE WAY.

2008 - the disappearance of the xbox 360

jofu74

[QUOTE="jofu74"]

larger, better games, AI, graphics, sound need more space! BLU-RAY ALL THE WAY.

2008 - the disappearance of the xbox 360

zero9167

Only blind fanboys think that. As I said earlier there's always the possibility to produce games on DVD18 or multiple DVD9 discs if needed.

We've been hearing this "larger better games" crap for over a year now, let me know when it happens.DaysAirlines

Uncharted

Ok guys everyone saying that big games can still fit on DVD9's are correct, it will stay like this for at least another year I hope. There is one huge problem with multiple disk games, some genres its impossible to do it Trying doing a Sandbox game with multiple disks... yea... not really gonna work well.mastarifla

Actually, didn't you change cities in a lot of GTA games? Have a new disc for one of them? Don't have load screen fetch quests between said discs. Possible?

Actually, didn't you change cities in a lot of GTA games? Have a new disc for one of them? Don't have load screen fetch quests between said discs. Possible?

Zenfoldor

I just love how people say, 'Blu-Ray will give us bigger games', yet the games that have come out on Sony's system are 6-10 hours long (Resistance, Uncharted, and Heavenly Sword). And yes, I know it is very forward thinking, but really, if most big name games, like Mass Effect or Crysis, have $30-40 million dollar budgets and they are fitting games onto a DVD9, then what use does Blu-Ray have for games?

Noone in the gaming industry will go for a 60 million dollar game right now. For us to truly take advantage of the Blu-Ray's space capabilities, you could technically have a 100 hour game with Mass Effect graphics. Trouble is, it would cost FAR too much.

So more than likely, we will see the same size games on the PS3 (except for maybe MGS 4 using 7.1 uncompressed surround sound) as we will on the 360. Resistance was proved to have quite a bit of padding which increased load times to acceptable standards because of the slow 2x Blu-Ray drive and increased disc space to make sure it was over 9 GB.

Too early and too expensive to be taken seriously in the gaming world.

Just remembered this vid I had saved.

Word for word what a Lion Head dev.

"One of the things that's a real struggle for game developers is is fitting all those assets into memory and unto the dvd's

What we've done, is develop some compression routines, that squashes down the data, so that it will fit in the available memory.

And Weve done this with animations, which take up huuuuuuuuuge amounts of memory uncompressed.
Weve done it with textures, which were the sort of beautiful pictures that go on the meshes, that we would create.

In an animation- which is basicaly the movement of the character around the world, weve managed to squeeze those down to just 1% of their original size"

from 2:40 to 3:15

http://youtube.com/watch?v=--iucjXRjZM&feature=related

[QUOTE="osan0"]

for me, mass effect was the test. if bioware could get a big game, with loads of speech, onto one disc then blu-ray would be a waste of space for games. bioware did it, ME is a very respectably sized game from what i hear, and it looks fantastic. the performance issues its having are irrelevent as that has nothing to do with disc capacity (because thats what were talking about here, blu-ray only holds data. it doesnt improve performance or do any other magic, its a storage medium).

so everything has changed now. any dev who says they cant get there game to fit on a dvd is incompetent, its that simple. if bioware can fit a bloody big game onto a single disc then theres no reason why anyone else cant. the only advantage blu-ray now offers is the ability to put loads of languages on the one disc and have tons of FMV. whoodie frickin do.

look, oblivion is massive and it looks great. its probably going to be the biggest game this gen in terms of content. it fits on half a DVD. if bethesda wanted, they could put oblivion and shivering isles and all the other expansions onto one DVD, and still have enough for a direct port of morrowind also. anyone worried that UT3 wont fit on a single DVD? dont be, the PC version is just under 8GB, itll fit with space to spare.

True-Legend86

Gaad, people like you are going to be eating their words when MGS4 rolls out.

why?

because it has loads of uncompressed audio? Sound takes more space than textures and geometry ;)

larger, better games, AI, graphics, sound need more space! BLU-RAY ALL THE WAY.

2008 - the disappearance of the xbox 360

jofu74

Wii doesn't need bluray and neither does the 360.

Space doesn't= better and it is clear consumers understand that more so than some around here.

Mass Effect, the largest RPG so far this gen, fits on one DVD. (I wouldn't say Oblivion is the largest because of the repeating dungeons and other cookie-cutter pieces that fills up the game.) There won't be problems with the format anytime soon.DrinkDuff

yeah barely, it has about half a gig left in space on 360 dvd.

Mass Effect was able to fit on single DVD....nuff said

[QUOTE="AIH_PSP"][QUOTE="Redgarl"]Crysis fit on a single DVD9 with 6,2 GIG... that alone is telling everything.laughingman42

That's different. PC games are installed so they can be compressed a lot. 360 streams the data and loads straight from the disc, therefore to cut loading times and slow downs you need to have less compression. When you have less compression, the file size is bigger. When the file size is past 8.5GB, then the DVD cannot be used.

I think that you are thinking of what the PS3 has to do because of its slow optical drive.

I don't get the whole "slow drive" myth. The 360 has a 12x DVD drive, with a maximum data transfer rate of 15.9 MB/s. The PS3 has a 2x Blu Ray drive, with a maximum data transfer rate of 13.5 MB/s. That's really not that different.

does anyone have the heart to tell the tc that sony didn't include bluray for games?

crysisAlways-Honest

is 12GB says wiki.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]crysiskillzowned24

is 12GB says wiki.

so all people played it on a blu ray disc?

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]crysiskillzowned24

is 12GB says wiki.