Durango, more like Lolango. GPU weaker than expected.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] more powerful on basement dweller cows eyes like yourself, both consoles ended up pretty much being equal with marginal advantages,the xbox 1.5 sure made cows like you butthurt this generation :cool:tormentos

The samaritan demo is not Unreal 4.ferret-gamer

But shouldn't UE4 be heavier than UE3?

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] Where are you getting the 2.5tflop number? Epic stated 1tflop was needed for the full engine

"Unreal Engine 4s next-generation renderer targets DirectX 11 GPUs and really starts to become interesting on hardware with 1+ TFLOPS of graphics performance, where it delivers some truly unprecedented capabilities. However, UE4 also includes a mainstream renderer targeting mass-market devices with a feature set that is appropriate there."

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/stunning-videos-show-unreal-engine-4s-next-gen-gtx-680-powered-real-time-graphics

ferret-gamer

Ms is ready for the 20th, how about you guys?

With those specs, the 720 better be cheaper than the ps4NEWMAHAY

Don't forget kinect will raise it's price :twisted:

Damn rumors! I'll probably get the Xbox 3 because it seems to be the first to come out in europe but, if these rumors are true, i'll jump to PS4 as soon as i can. Powerful hardware + easy to dev hardware + no expensive crappy peripherals = perfect formula for me.

MS better take some notes from these boards, if they want to succeed.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] The samaritan demo is not Unreal 4.PAL360

But shouldn't UE4 be heavier than UE3?

Unreal 4 is built using new technologies, and designed to run higher end graphics, it is going to be able to run next generation stuff significantly better than a hacked up modified 7 year old engine would be.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] The samaritan demo is not Unreal 4.ferret-gamer

But shouldn't UE4 be heavier than UE3?

Unreal 4 is built using new technologies, and designed to run higher end graphics, it is going to be able to run next generation stuff significantly better than a hacked up modified 7 year old engine would be.

So, basically UE4 could handle Samarithan (or even better graphics) with less resources, because it's suited for newer hardware. Makes sense ;)

I do wish they would stop showing those engines. It will only make people wonder more when their console of choice doesn't turns out that way. People will use it as a direct comparison to what their games will be like at the very get go. I'm not saying it won't, but it probably won't be like that.

720's gonna get abused chasing that casual market becase the public has had their fill with the gimicks. Ask Nintendo with their bootleg ipad controller.

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]xbox had a huge edge over ps2.

ReadingRainbow4

Huge? No. Slight? Yes. Noticeable in games? Sometimes.

I'd say it was huge.

Escape from butcher bay? The wii even had issues replicating graphics like those.

Certainly not the overall output of Butcher bay, just certain techniques like bump mapping which shouldn't have been used with low res textures anyways.  Conker live and reloaded is the only game on Xbox that really started to push the console. 

Basically, Xbox could do some things very easily where Wii would have problems, but overall Wii has a slight edge.

Maybe another PS2 <--> Xbox powergap.  

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

But shouldn't UE4 be heavier than UE3?

PAL360

Unreal 4 is built using new technologies, and designed to run higher end graphics, it is going to be able to run next generation stuff significantly better than a hacked up modified 7 year old engine would be.

So, basically UE4 could handle Samarithan (or even better graphics) with less resources, because it's suited for newer hardware. Makes sense ;)

I actually think Cryengine 3 is going to take a chunk out of Epic's marketshare.  Crysis 3 and some of the demonstrations shown with CE3 have been extremely impressive.  And, it has shown its results now, unlike UE4.

Some more gasoline for the Bonfire.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1702364&postcount=733

Kinext is coming.

Some more gasoline for the Bonfire.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1702364&postcount=733

Kinext is coming.

ReadingRainbow4

Sounds good. 1.2TFlops as previously rumoured, plus indications of improvements in efficiency.

Both the PS4 and next Xbox will be powerful enough.

Sounds good. 1.2TFlops as previously rumoured, plus indications of improvements in efficiency.

Both the PS4 and next Xbox will be powerful enough.

tubbyc

Industry insider, he worked on the original xbox.

Sounds good. 1.2TFlops as previously rumoured, plus indications of improvements in efficiency.

Both the PS4 and next Xbox will be powerful enough.

tubbyc

Powerful enough for what...that is a subjective statment.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Now even I'm getting tired of these rumours.Tessellation

This isn't a rumor.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

This isn't a rumor.

gpuking

[QUOTE="tubbyc"]

Sounds good. 1.2TFlops as previously rumoured, plus indications of improvements in efficiency.

Both the PS4 and next Xbox will be powerful enough.

StrongBlackVine

Powerful enough for what...that is a subjective statment.

To be a significant step up from 360 and PS3, and for third party support, and to make good use of new engines like UE4.

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]With those specs, the 720 better be cheaper than the ps4PAL360

Don't forget kinect will raise it's price :twisted:

Damn rumors! I'll probably get the Xbox 3 because it seems to be the first to come out in europe but, if these rumors are true, i'll jump to PS4 as soon as i can. Powerful hardware + easy to dev hardware + no expensive crappy peripherals = perfect formula for me.

MS better take some notes from these boards, if they want to succeed.

The amount of Lol's that would swarm system wars  if the xbox is stronger or on par with the ps4 would be epic of biblical proportions

The amount of Lol's that would swarm system wars if the xbox is stronger or on par with the ps4 would be epic of biblical proportions

worknow222

I think it's pretty funny personally that is can lift half of what the ps4 can.

atleast wiiu has a port buddy now.

The amount of Lol's that would swarm system wars  if the xbox is stronger or on par with the ps4 would be epic of biblical proportions

worknow222

[QUOTE="worknow222"]

The amount of Lol's that would swarm system wars if the xbox is stronger or on par with the ps4 would be epic of biblical proportions

ReadingRainbow4

I think it's pretty funny personally that is can lift half of what the ps4 can.

atleast wiiu has a port buddy now.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

This isn't a rumor.

gpuking

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] it's based on rumored 1 year old specs :cool: stop trying to pass it off as fact.

Tessellation

I wouldn't laugh, your sister doesn't count.

Sounds good. 1.2TFlops as previously rumoured, plus indications of improvements in efficiency.

Both the PS4 and next Xbox will be powerful enough.

tubbyc

Not to be a jerk, but there's no indications of improved efficiency.

The ESRAM compensates for the DDR3 RAM's lack of bandwidth, but 32MB isn't enough to hold duplicated frame buffers with z-depth and alpha channel data. The 360 had the same problem, why one often saw games in sub HD, the solution is tiling, but it's complex for the developers to keep track of. To make tiling easier, there's added 4 move engines, which handles the tiles as ordinary page-files.

The thing is that Obis doesn't have any of these issues because the team/Sony went with GDDR5 RAM, no bandwidth issues or complex hardware architecture to compensate for.

Even worse is that ESRAM and move engines take op space on the die, which in the Orbis is used for the 16ROPS and 6CU's, meaning both machines use about the same amount of silicone, but the Orbis get a 50% performance increase.

MS has either made a grave design decision or they really need those extra 4GB of RAM for something special, which they think will improve the experience more than graphics can.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="gpuking"] LOL can't wait to see the look on your troll face when KZ4 humiliates the utter sh*t out of Gears 4 / Halo 5 in graphics. If I were you I'd be prepared.ReadingRainbow4

I wouldn't laugh, your sister doesn't count.

.....and in the end, PC is, and always will be, the superior gaming platform.

The amount of Lol's that would swarm system wars  if the xbox is stronger or on par with the ps4 would be epic of biblical proportions

worknow222

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

This isn't a rumor.

gpuking

Speaking of Killzone 4, it will probably melt your face off.  I wouldn't be worried about others if I were you, get some sort of face shield for yourself.

Man I hope that is a launch title or not too far off from launch.

.....and in the end, PC is, and always will be, the superior gaming platform.

Primordialous

But this thread isn't about pc.

also ddr5 ram and 8 core cpu's? That's alot better than most high end PC's.

.....and in the end, PC is, and always will be, the superior gaming platform.

Primordialous

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] it's based on rumored 1 year old specs :cool: stop trying to pass it off as fact.

Chozofication

Speaking of Killzone 4, it will probably melt your face off.  I wouldn't be worried about others if I were you, get some sort of face shield for yourself.

Man I hope that is a launch title or not too far off from launch.

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] it's based on rumored 1 year old specs :cool: stop trying to pass it off as fact.Tessellation

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] when KZ4 humiliates gpuking

Speaking of Killzone 4, it will probably melt your face off.  I wouldn't be worried about others if I were you, get some sort of face shield for yourself.

Man I hope that is a launch title or not too far off from launch.

Yeah and Guerrilla didn't even make Killzone Vita.  I'm actually really impressed with how good that one looks, they spent quite a bit of time on it and got Killzone 3's engine running on Vita.

I might actually get a Vita one of these days.

Good lord, we're getting 8GB RAM, eight-core CPUs and 1.2Tflops GPUs and we're acting like its a disservice to us as individuals. I'm not really following whether PS4/next Xbox will be more powerful but the gaming community sounds awfully ungrateful with posts like the OP.

These are consoles, not PCs.

bonesawisready5

  If anything its going to be exactly like this gen.. Both systems will be neck and neck with minor differences not warranting any real reason why you would choose one over the other when it comes to graphics.. 

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] have you ever seen a woman naked? you sound really sad :cool:Tessellation

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[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Good lord, we're getting 8GB RAM, eight-core CPUs and 1.2Tflops GPUs and we're acting like its a disservice to us as individuals. I'm not really following whether PS4/next Xbox will be more powerful but the gaming community sounds awfully ungrateful with posts like the OP.

These are consoles, not PCs.

sSubZerOo

  If anything its going to be exactly like this gen.. Both systems will be neck and neck with minor differences not warranting any real reason why you would choose one over the other when it comes to graphics.. 

.....and in the end, PC is, and always will be, the superior gaming platform.

Primordialous

[QUOTE="Primordialous"]

.....and in the end, PC is, and always will be, the superior gaming platform.

Douevenlift_bro

So true. All this new tech with no games that support it.

[QUOTE="Primordialous"]

.....and in the end, PC is, and always will be, the superior gaming platform.

Douevenlift_bro

Starcraft II

DOTA 2

DayZ

Chivalry: Medieval Warfare

GMOD

Civilization V

Torchlight 2

Need I say more? That's just a fraction of good PC exclusives, and is still two times as much as any decent Xbox exclusives.

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="Primordialous"]

.....and in the end, PC is, and always will be, the superior gaming platform.

Primordialous

Starcraft II

DOTA 2

DayZ

Chivalry: Medieval Warfare

GMOD

Civilization V

Torchlight 2

Need I say more? That's just a fraction of good PC exclusives, and is still two times as much as any decent Xbox exclusives.

I'm underwhelmed...not by the performance, but the premise of all thoe games but Starcraft Swarm.