Do you think Sony is regretting hiring Kojima?

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#1  Edited By 2mrw
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The cost of Death Stranding seems staggering now. There are just more and more professional actors being brought on board. The game looks phenomenal IMO but the costs are starting to look ridiculous for very stupid reasons. Kojima did that with MGS5 when he brought in kiefer sutherland who did not add a thing to MGS5. Snake barely talked anyway.

I do not think gamers care about that but Kojima is obsessed with Hollywood stars and it is probably costing Sony lots of money. We are not sure how far the game is in development but probably 1-2 more years to release

MGS5 was successful but I do not think Konami with super happy with the sales. They were great but the cost was very high and we are talking about an established well known franchise.

Given what you have seen so far? Do you think hiring Kojima and giving him the absolute creative freedom was a good move from Sony?

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#2 Archangel3371
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No.

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#3 QuadKnight
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Nope.

Death Stranding will sell millions of copies and millions of PS4s, mark my words.

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#4 sovkhan
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Why in hell should they in the first place???

One of the best no matter what, so big NO!!!!

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#5  Edited By rafaelmsoares
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I do think that Death Stranding is being a huge money sink for Sony and I don't think they'll sell enough to get the costs back for this game. We'll see.

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#6 ni6htmare01
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No.. he is still one of the most well known game creator in the world!! of cause not!

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#7 stereointegrity
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Lol how much do you actually think it costs to hire these actors?

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#8 BassMan
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I think Kojima is overrated in general, but he is doing what they brought him on to do. Sony is all about the movie games. Besides, these actors do not take up that much of the budget of a large project like this.

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#9 R10nu
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@quadknight said:

Nope.

Death Stranding will sell millions of copies and millions of PS4s, regardless of how good it is, mark my words.

Fixed.

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#10 2mrw
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@stereointegrity said:

Lol how much do you actually think it costs to hire these actors?

They do get paid more than other gaming actors like Troy Baker for example. That's unnecessarily inflating the cost, and we are talking several professional actors.

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No, clearly Sony knew what they were getting into when they handed Kojima the blank cheque.

Death Stranding looks like it’s going to amazing and that’s all that will matter to gamers.

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#12 k--m--k
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I don't know, perhaps.

MGS5 was nothing special.

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#14 Zero_epyon
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@Archangel3371 said:

No.

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#15 KillzoneSnake
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How in the world does it look phenomenal... looks dead boring. Remember how MGSV had the most empty open world ever? Look at Delivery Stranding... LOL empty as hell. Looks nice thanks to the power of DECIMA ENGINE, but nothing there. Invisible ghosts... you play as the delivery man and need to get past them. MGSV was a flop, this game will follow the emptyness and repetitiveness of V.

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#16 CrashNBurn281
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I guess it all just depends. At least they are taking a risk, something Microsoft could learn from.

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#17 Shewgenja
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@2mrw said:

The cost of Death Stranding seems staggering now.

Source?

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#18 gamecubepad
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Apparently, the money has gone into CGI trailers. What they showed is not a game. Looks like something 1 person would throw together in a few days. Gameplay on this might be shit.

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#19 verbalfilth
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I guess we just have to wait and see if it's all worth it. My guess is it will sell pretty well because it's Kojima but the game will not.be good.

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#20 Dark_sageX
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Only if the game flops, which quite frankly speaking, wouldn't be a surprising outcome based on what we have seen so far, the only people excited about this joke of a "game" now are the screeching fanboys.

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#21 blueinheaven
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No, I think the game is shaping up to be interesting. The only problem I have with big name actors in games like this (I have the same problem with certain movies) is I won't be thinking okay, this guy is the main character he's what the game is all about I'll be thinking right, it's Norman Reedus, let's follow him around and see what happens which isn't the same thing at all.

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#22 BenjaminBanklin  Online
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Probably. I can't make heads or tails of this thing. And I don't see where the "fun" is so far. This may turn out to be an esoteric and disappointing nightmare for Kojima and Sony. And may expose how far off the deep end Kojima may go when he has no leash.

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#23 koko-goal
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Kojima is obsessed with movie stars, Hayter said that and Kojima himself said it recently.

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#24  Edited By ellos
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NO he fits in with Sony and the game could be interesting. Yeah he is going completely fanboy with his favourite Hollywood actors. Honestly one would understand if ND was doing it cause there tech truly brings out the best performances. Kojima is absolutely going mental with hollywood.

There is a lot of room for the actual game. There are gameplay hints that can actually make it different and really good then the your just walking take away. My hype died because i dont want to ****in play his guessing game but still interested. I just don't care anymore. But yeah man whats with this hollywood cast that keeps expanding.

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#25 Blackhairedhero
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@KillzoneSnake: MGSV sold alot and had great reviews. In what way was it a flop?

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#26 Pedro
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Yep.

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#27 appariti0n
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Nope.

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#28 ReCloud
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Nah

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#29 KBFloYd
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yea who knows how much money sony has sank into it already lol

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#30 hrt_rulz01
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@BassMan said:

I think Kojima is overrated in general, but he is doing what they brought him on to do. Sony is all about the movie games. Besides, these actors do not take up that much of the budget of a large project like this.

This. His name alone will sell games/consoles... even if the game is mediocre (most reviewers would be too scared to be negative on it - Sony/Kojima fannies would go apesh*t).

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#31 Pedro
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Death Stranding is all about giving the controller a break from gaming. There is absolutely nothing wrong with watching a game being played or playing itself for $60.

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#32 WitIsWisdom
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I know by this point in time I would be severely worried. I'm not saying the game wont shape up to be something decent, but so far everything I have seen looks absolutely terrible on just about every level. It's like the dude went on a bad acid trip and never came down.

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#33 uninspiredcup
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@2mrw said:
@stereointegrity said:

Lol how much do you actually think it costs to hire these actors?

They do get paid more than other gaming actors like Troy Baker for example. That's unnecessarily inflating the cost, and we are talking several professional actors.

Always funny how everyone defended Kojima against Konami when he treated David Hayder like shit, desperate for celebs.

https://levelskip.com/action-adventure/Why-David-Hayter-Was-REALLY-Replaced-in-Metal-Gear-Solid-V-The-Phantom-Pain

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#34 Elpresador-911
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no, Sony knows Kojimas track record, they trust him

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#35 deactivated-5d1e44cf96229
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I've been saying since day 1 that giving Kojima a blank check to do whatever he wants is a very bad idea.

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#36 ocinom
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MS wished they had a talented developer like Kojima.

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#37 KillzoneSnake
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@blackhairedhero said:

@KillzoneSnake: MGSV sold alot and had great reviews. In what way was it a flop?

It could get 11/10 and sell 100 million, the game still sucked. Story sucked, it was repetitive, almost no boss fights, no challenge, empty open world... the list goes on and on.

Saying a game is good on sales or reviews is like saying Call of Duty games are good. LOL

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#38 UssjTrunks
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It's a strategic move. Sony plans on transitioning him to Sony Pictures.

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#39 uninspiredcup
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@UssjTrunks said:

It's a strategic move. Sony plans on transitioning him to Sony Pictures.

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#40 deactivated-6092a2d005fba
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No because even Sony are lying for him.

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#41 deactivated-5c56012aaa167
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Death Stranding is more of an exploration game than stealth but I'm not sure if Kojima has learned his lessons from MGS V about the open world games. This game has the high chance of becoming another empty world game.(Which for an exploration game is pretty bad)

@KillzoneSnake said:
@blackhairedhero said:

@KillzoneSnake: MGSV sold alot and had great reviews. In what way was it a flop?

It could get 11/10 and sell 100 million, the game still sucked. Story sucked, it was repetitive, almost no boss fights, no challenge, empty open world... the list goes on and on.

Saying a game is good on sales or reviews is like saying Call of Duty games are good. LOL

And the funny thing about MGS V was this that it never became as successful as yearly COD games.

GTA 4 also had the same amount of budget as MGS V but it had sold 4x more copies than MGS V.

Kojima's main problem was this that he wouldn't admit that stealth games aren't that successful hence why the whole 80 million dollar budget and 5 years development time made Konami to fire him. And in the end MGS V sold nearly 7 million copies.(Which MGS 2 did on one PS2 with much less budget)

MGS games should have been as high budget as RE games but not higher than that.

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#42  Edited By AzatiS
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@KBFloYd said:

yea who knows how much money sony has sank into it already lol

Yeah would be better for Sony to spend all this money to make a new labo , mario tennis 5 , mario party 16 , mario golf 32 , mario soccer 6 , mario taking a piss , Arms 2 , labo 3 , Kirby 20, yoshi 32 and pokemon 2314.5 . and Wii fit 3 with Wii music 2 as bonus. Easy returns, i agree. Why to spend so much in a single title and try to make something different with that high production values from scratch ? Why to try new things and provide New Ips ? Gameplay matters only and easy money. Scroo that.

Gooo Labooo 2 please.

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#43 2mrw
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@UssjTrunks said:

It's a strategic move. Sony plans on transitioning him to Sony Pictures.

HAHAHA, that's a good one.

@KillzoneSnake said:

It could get 11/10 and sell 100 million, the game still sucked. Story sucked, it was repetitive, almost no boss fights, no challenge, empty open world... the list goes on and on.

Saying a game is good on sales or reviews is like saying Call of Duty games are good. LOL

I have to disagree. Gameplay was fantastic, everything else sucked. I put like 200 hours in it. I never did that with previous MGS.

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#44 omegaMaster
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In Kojima we trust. The Japanese wizard knows his magic.

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#45 Ant_17
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I think they love him even more.

That goofy trailer is the most talked thing. WTF is this game even?!

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#46 Livecommander
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@KillzoneSnake: no challenge ? let me guess... cause you could use quiet for everything ?

The story "sucks" because its incomplete. Konami got greedy and declared it was good enough to sell.

Skull face and most of the bosses are lacking becuase of this.

Its not gta. Its not a open world to chill all around brainless in. You recruit different soilders in a plethra of ways and then chill in mother base brainlessly

Name your fav aaa games this gen. So i can show you how mgs5 gameplay is either suprior or just as good from a general standpoint.

Dont gimmie them choppy animated aa pc games either. With the 20 box horizontall skill and item scroller at the bottom of the screen lol

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#47 2mrw
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@omegamaster: I liked the trailer, I just think too much money is being thrown at these professional actors for no reason.

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#48 lundy86_4  Online
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No matter how whack Death Stranding looked, he literally prints money. I'd guess at a big fat no.

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#49 GameboyTroy
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Nope.

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#50 deactivated-5b8284346a788
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i dont see the big deal looks like a walking sim with invisible enemies.

wasnt this supposed to be on pc too? lofl.