Do you really care about wii sales System Wars...?

Lets be serious for a moment... Does any self respecting "gamer" truly care about the Wii's sales? I mean, I'm willing to bet most don't even consider it a part of currant generation console gaming. I gotta be honest, I don't feel tempted in anyway shape or form to even consider buying a wii... It's just not an appealing console to me and it can't deliver the HD gaming experience I want. Grandma's and little girls with pig tails can't convince me otherwise. I know this all sounds like a fanboyistic rant or "damage control" but seriously, congrats and who cares... If I want an experience that rivals the wii I'll go turn on my original Xbox and still have better games.... and graphics.

Sales = More profit = More gamesair_wolf_cubed

sales = more profit = more shovelware and an occaisional first party gem... fixed/

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]Sales = More profit = More gamescolmusterd28

sales = more profit = more shovelware and an occaisional first party gem... fixed/

I couldn't really give a hoot about sales even if my console was winning. I judge consoles by games, customer service, online comunities and more. In my book, Wii is in last. Don't try to tell me i'm wrong, because there is no wrong opinion.

...I know this all sounds like a fanboyistic rant or "damage control"

colmusterd28

Because it is a fanboyistic rant and damage control. Sales, like it or not, are important to gamers simply because more sales means more games, better games.

I think there are a lot of gamers that enjoy the Wii and play it often, even the self-respecting gamers.

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]Sales = More profit = More gamesair_wolf_cubed

sales = more profit = more shovelware and an occaisional first party gem... fixed/

everything pretty much already is shovelware because nintendo said it will be... I was commenting on "more profit more games" when everyone who follows this industry knows that nintendo has an aweful 3rd party resume mixed with laughable shovelware and they survive by franchises I used to play 25 years ago... nothings changed. Its why I was in line day one for a gamecube, N64, Snes and NES but refuse to go through the letdown with a wii. No silly arm movements are going to change that.

Lets be serious for a moment... Does any self respecting "gamer" truly care about the Wii's sales? I mean, I'm willing to bet most don't even consider it a part of currant generation console gaming. I gotta be honest, I don't feel tempted in anyway shape or form to even consider buying a wii... It's just not an appealing console to me and it can't deliver the HD gaming experience I want. Grandma's and little girls with pig tails can't convince me otherwise. I know this all sounds like a fanboyistic rant or "damage control" but seriously, congrats and who cares... If I want an experience that rivals the wii I'll go turn on my original Xbox and still have better games.... and graphics.

colmusterd28

People cared about it last gen when it was the Gamecube and was in last place. Now that is winning the System wars, people aren't suppose to care? :roll:

Anyways, the Wii is in it to win it. So yes, people care about the Wii and how well it's selling. Deal with it.

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

...I know this all sounds like a fanboyistic rant or "damage control"

TDLlama

Because it is a fanboyistic rant and damage control. Sales, like it or not, are important to gamers simply because more sales means more games, better games.

I think there are a lot of gamers that enjoy the Wii and play it often, even the self-respecting gamers.

well then congrats... enjoy your sales and I'll enjoy the games...

I care in that I don't think it really deserves those numbers. I also don't think that sales equating to more games is going to apply the same way it has over previous generations. The Wii breaks the mold on standard evolution, and it's support shows this.-RPGamer-

I'm going with this.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]Sales = More profit = More gamescolmusterd28

sales = more profit = more shovelware and an occaisional first party gem... fixed/

everything pretty much already is shovelware because nintendo said it will be... I was commenting on "more profit more games" when everyone who follows this industry knows that nintendo has an aweful 3rd party resume mixed with laughable shovelware and they survive by franchises I used to play 25 years ago... nothings changed. Its why I was in line day one for a gamecube, N64, Snes and NES but refuse to go through the letdown with a wii. No silly arm movements are going to change that.

wii sales = good for Nintendo and Nintendo only!

Lets be serious for a moment... Does any self respecting "gamer" truly care about the Wii's sales? I mean, I'm willing to bet most don't even consider it a part of currant generation console gaming. I gotta be honest, I don't feel tempted in anyway shape or form to even consider buying a wii... It's just not an appealing console to me and it can't deliver the HD gaming experience I want. Grandma's and little girls with pig tails can't convince me otherwise. I know this all sounds like a fanboyistic rant or "damage control" but seriously, congrats and who cares... If I want an experience that rivals the wii I'll go turn on my original Xbox and still have better games.... and graphics.

colmusterd28

Pretty much agree with you but i own a Wii because of the big Nintendo classic: Zelda, Mario, Metroid etc.

Wish Nintendo had faced same fate as Sega, had been fun to play Nintendo games for Playstation and xbox in HD :D

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I care in that I don't think it really deserves those numbers. I also don't think that sales equating to more games is going to apply the same way it has over previous generations. The Wii breaks the mold on standard evolution, and it's support shows this.Ragnarok1051

I'm going with this.

I thought for sure the first response would be some overly supportive Wii fan telling me I'm wrong. :P

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I care in that I don't think it really deserves those numbers. I also don't think that sales equating to more games is going to apply the same way it has over previous generations. The Wii breaks the mold on standard evolution, and it's support shows this.-RPGamer-

I'm going with this.

I thought for sure the first response would be some overly supportive Wii fan telling me I'm wrong. :P

I've always thought that the sales would not lead to more games as usual for the Wii as well.

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

Lets be serious for a moment... Does any self respecting "gamer" truly care about the Wii's sales? I mean, I'm willing to bet most don't even consider it a part of currant generation console gaming. I gotta be honest, I don't feel tempted in anyway shape or form to even consider buying a wii... It's just not an appealing console to me and it can't deliver the HD gaming experience I want. Grandma's and little girls with pig tails can't convince me otherwise. I know this all sounds like a fanboyistic rant or "damage control" but seriously, congrats and who cares... If I want an experience that rivals the wii I'll go turn on my original Xbox and still have better games.... and graphics.

aroxx_ab

Pretty much agree with you but i own a Wii because of the big Nintendo classic: Zelda, Mario, Metroid etc.

Wish Nintendo had faced same fate as Sega, had been fun to play Nintendo games for Playstation and xbox in HD :D

I couldn't agree more... They survive off 1st party games and somehow have convinced millions that this is "next gen" gaming... I don't get it. Zelda360 would be sweet no doubt but we can kiss that goodbye thanks to the wii...

I care in that I don't think it really deserves those numbers. I also don't think that sales equating to more games is going to apply the same way it has over previous generations. The Wii breaks the mold on standard evolution, and it's support shows this.-RPGamer-

and?

I don't think that the Saturn, or Dreamcast got the numbers they deserve. I don't think that the PSP deserves the numbers it's getting. What you think is meaningless because (believe it or not) there are more people than you in this world each with different tastes.

and you're insane to think that the Wii wont get much support this gen. Every other successul console in history has had great support and the wii's handheld equivelant (the DS) has the best third party support on the planet right now

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I care in that I don't think it really deserves those numbers. I also don't think that sales equating to more games is going to apply the same way it has over previous generations. The Wii breaks the mold on standard evolution, and it's support shows this.vicmackey39

and?

I don't think that the Saturn, or Dreamcast got the numbers they deserve. I don't think that the PSP deserves the numbers it's getting. What you think is meaningless because (believe it or not) there are more people than you in this world each with different tastes.

and you're insane to think that the Wii wont get much support this gen. Every other successul console in history has had great support and the wii's handheld equivelant (the DS) has the best third party support on the planet right now

Well, it does seem like the 360 and the PS3 get better support

The real question is:

Do you care about System Wars? For most people, that's no.

[QUOTE="TDLlama"][QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

...I know this all sounds like a fanboyistic rant or "damage control"

colmusterd28

Because it is a fanboyistic rant and damage control. Sales, like it or not, are important to gamers simply because more sales means more games, better games.

I think there are a lot of gamers that enjoy the Wii and play it often, even the self-respecting gamers.

well then congrats... enjoy your sales and I'll enjoy the games...

Well thanks, but I'm already enjoying the games and with the Wii selling like it is, I'm sure I'll be playing Wii games for quite some time. I'm sure the 360 will do just fine even if it ends up last.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I care in that I don't think it really deserves those numbers. I also don't think that sales equating to more games is going to apply the same way it has over previous generations. The Wii breaks the mold on standard evolution, and it's support shows this.vicmackey39

and?

I don't think that the Saturn, or Dreamcast got the numbers they deserve. I don't think that the PSP deserves the numbers it's getting. What you think is meaningless because (believe it or not) there are more people than you in this world each with different tastes.

and you're insane to think that the Wii wont get much support this gen. Every other successul console in history has had great support and the wii's handheld equivelant (the DS) has the best third party support on the planet right now

but his opinion does matter more because he identifies himself as a close follower of this hobby and is educated in what game consoles do what. Your claiming victory over his opinion because an elderly shelter bought 15 wiis for the residents and little Amanda Hugginkiss with a pretty pink bow in her hair is playing "dancing with the stars."

I take RPGamers opinion over the common wii owner anyday based on the fact that he has love for the hobby not because he'll get an extra 6 months out of his back by playing wiibowling...

I couldn't really give a hoot about sales even if my console was winning. I judge consoles by games, customer service, online comunities and more. In my book, Wii is in last. Don't try to tell me i'm wrong, because there is no wrong opinion.

NFS102

Well, it does seem like the 360 and the PS3 get better support

Snowboarder99

That's because they do, and i don't expect that top change because games are increasingly becoming multiplatform this gen

but the Wii will get some amazing third party exclusives this gen

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I care in that I don't think it really deserves those numbers. I also don't think that sales equating to more games is going to apply the same way it has over previous generations. The Wii breaks the mold on standard evolution, and it's support shows this.vicmackey39

and?

I don't think that the Saturn, or Dreamcast got the numbers they deserve. I don't think that the PSP deserves the numbers it's getting. What you think is meaningless because (believe it or not) there are more people than you in this world each with different tastes.

and you're insane to think that the Wii wont get much support this gen. Every other successul console in history has had great support and the wii's handheld equivelant (the DS) has the best third party support on the planet right now

I clearly stated "I think", in which I was pointing out my opinion on the subject. I never stated my opinion trumped what others think did I? No. What I think is not "meaningless", it has meaning and value if to no one else than to myself (albeit apparently I don't stand alone). To claim my opinion is meaningless than so are the opinions of all others that you pointed out with different tastes. If opinions were meaningless than there would be no need for them, and yet opinions are a staple of human civilization, so please refrain from attempting to belittle me on the subject of my opinion. If you don't like it that's fine, however, that doesn't in turn make it meaningless.

I didn't say the Wii wouldn't get support did I? I clearly said that I don't think it'll get the same support the way past generations have. Note the specific reference to past generations, I didn't say it wouldn't get support, it already is so that claim would be false already. The Wii doesn't fit the historical model you reference, the Wii opted not to follow the normal path and as I said it's support shows the difference.

The real question is:

Do you care about System Wars? For most people, that's no.

thrones

Thrones, my friend, that is a thread all to its own...

[QUOTE="Snowboarder99"]

Well, it does seem like the 360 and the PS3 get better support

vicmackey39

That's because they do, and i don't expect that top change because games are increasingly becoming multiplatform this gen

but the Wii will get some amazing third party exclusives this gen

I'll agree with that.

but his opinion does matter more because he identifies himself as a close follower of this hobby and is educated in what game consoles do what. Your claiming victory over his opinion because an elderly shelter bought 15 wiis for the residents and little Amanda Hugginkiss with a pretty pink bow in her hair is playing "dancing with the stars."

colmusterd28

and my opinion doesn't matter? what about the many Nintendo fans who were gaming while you were in diapers?

You think elderly people bought 2.7 million copies of brawl? You think they bought over a million copies of Metroid Prime 3 or RE4?

I'm not claiming victory for anybody because I don't give a crap who wins this gen. You care because your "clsoe personal friends" at Microsoft got outsold over 3 to 1 in their strongest territory this month. It's making you very upset because you have feelings for a company that makes operating systems

I take RPGamers opinion over the common wii owner anyday based on the fact that he has love for the hobby not because he'll get an extra 6 months out of his back by playing wiibowling...

colmusterd28

I take my own opinion over other that of other people because I have my own brain and I can reach conclusions on my own

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

but his opinion does matter more because he identifies himself as a close follower of this hobby and is educated in what game consoles do what. Your claiming victory over his opinion because an elderly shelter bought 15 wiis for the residents and little Amanda Hugginkiss with a pretty pink bow in her hair is playing "dancing with the stars."

vicmackey39

and my opinion doesn't matter? what about the many Nintendo fans who were gaming while you were in diapers?

You think elderly people bought 2.7 million copies of brawl? You think they bought over a million copies of Metroid Prime 3 or RE4?

I'm not claiming victory for anybody because I don't give a crap who wins this gen. You care because your "clsoe personal friends" at Microsoft got outsold over 3 to 1 in their strongest territory this month. It's making you very upset because you have feelings for a company that makes operating systems

I take RPGamers opinion over the common wii owner anyday based on the fact that he has love for the hobby not because he'll get an extra 6 months out of his back by playing wiibowling...

colmusterd28

I take my own opinion over other that of other people because I have my own brain and I can reach conclusions on my own

I'm 29, how old are you?

whats funny is sales have only been half of determining the winning console in system wars

the other was exclusive AA/AAA games... (which the wii still keeps a decent footing against the competition.. scary eh?)

now whats funny is the wii has shifted systemwars to no longer crediting sales... which means you only have review scores to go by.. and system wars/gamespot is just Oh So Credible with their review scores right now

This is why I care and am frustrated:

There are endless posts everywhere about certain 360/PS3 games not quite being in "true HD". "oo it's only 680p, not nextgen".

Yet the Wii gets away with crappy standard definition and noone raises an eyelid.

360/PS3/PC games are never stopping in their competition, scrutinising the tiniest little details of textures, AA, lighting etc. People complaing that something particular isn't quite up to scratch on one version of some multiplat game.

Yet the Wii gets away with 6 year old visuals and noone raises and eyelid.

I can buy a 360 for less than a Wii.

Yet the Wii gets away with ancient hardware, no harddrive, no DVD player and noone raises an eyelid.

And of course in the end, people who make judgements like I have just done are simply labeled as "graphics whores" and "narrow minded" while the Wii cruises past 25 Million units sold.

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"][QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

but his opinion does matter more because he identifies himself as a close follower of this hobby and is educated in what game consoles do what. Your claiming victory over his opinion because an elderly shelter bought 15 wiis for the residents and little Amanda Hugginkiss with a pretty pink bow in her hair is playing "dancing with the stars."

colmusterd28

and my opinion doesn't matter? what about the many Nintendo fans who were gaming while you were in diapers?

You think elderly people bought 2.7 million copies of brawl? You think they bought over a million copies of Metroid Prime 3 or RE4?

I'm not claiming victory for anybody because I don't give a crap who wins this gen. You care because your "clsoe personal friends" at Microsoft got outsold over 3 to 1 in their strongest territory this month. It's making you very upset because you have feelings for a company that makes operating systems

I take RPGamers opinion over the common wii owner anyday based on the fact that he has love for the hobby not because he'll get an extra 6 months out of his back by playing wiibowling...

colmusterd28

I take my own opinion over other that of other people because I have my own brain and I can reach conclusions on my own

I'm 29, how old are you?

Since I'm referenced in this I want to make it very clear I'm a huge Nintendo fan, I just don't view them through rose-tinted glasses.

I clearly stated "I think", in which I was pointing out my opinion on the subject. I never stated my opinion trumped what others think did I? No. What I think is not "meaningless", it has meaning and value if to no one else than to myself (albeit apparently I don't stand alone). To claim my opinion is meaningless than so are the opinions of all others that you pointed out with different tastes. If opinions were meaningless than there would be no need for them, and yet opinions are a staple of human civilization, so please refrain from attempting to belittle me on the subject of my opinion. If you don't like it that's fine, however, that doesn't in turn make it meaningless.

-RPGamer-

In the case of the Wii I agree that it does not really deserve its success. But I understand why it is a success and I'm sure you do too. I am also glad it is a success. It offers a genuinely different experience to its competition and it's got (and always will have) a more diverse range of software.

I didn't say the Wii wouldn't get support did I? I clearly said that I don't think it'll get the same support the way past generations have. Note the specific reference to past generations, I didn't say it wouldn't get support, it already is so that claim would be false already. The Wii doesn't fit the historical model you reference, the Wii opted not to follow the normal path and as I said it's support shows the difference.

-RPGamer-

I agree with you that the Wii won't follow the traditional model this gen but I think that it's largely because of the economics of multiplatform development. It's no secret that HD games are incredibly expensive but the fact that that the PS3/PC/360 are so similar means that developers can still pursue HD gaming as a viable strategy.

I would also add that the VAST majority of quality console exclusive games will be on the Wii this gen. The low dev costs and ridiculous install base make it by far the best prospect for devs looking to make an exclusive console game this gen. It'll be like the DS in the sense that almost every great title for the system will be exclusive

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I clearly stated "I think", in which I was pointing out my opinion on the subject. I never stated my opinion trumped what others think did I? No. What I think is not "meaningless", it has meaning and value if to no one else than to myself (albeit apparently I don't stand alone). To claim my opinion is meaningless than so are the opinions of all others that you pointed out with different tastes. If opinions were meaningless than there would be no need for them, and yet opinions are a staple of human civilization, so please refrain from attempting to belittle me on the subject of my opinion. If you don't like it that's fine, however, that doesn't in turn make it meaningless.

vicmackey39

In the case of the Wii I agree that it does not really deserve its success. But I understand why it is a success and I'm sure you do too. I am also glad it is a success. It offers a genuinely different experience to its competition and it's got (and always will have) a more diverse range of software.

I didn't say the Wii wouldn't get support did I? I clearly said that I don't think it'll get the same support the way past generations have. Note the specific reference to past generations, I didn't say it wouldn't get support, it already is so that claim would be false already. The Wii doesn't fit the historical model you reference, the Wii opted not to follow the normal path and as I said it's support shows the difference.

-RPGamer-

I agree with you that the Wii won't follow the traditional model this gen but I think that it's largely because of the economics of multiplatform development. It's no secret that HD games are incredibly expensive but the fact that that the PS3/PC/360 are so similar means that developers can still pursue HD gaming as a viable strategy.

I would also add that the VASTmajority of quality console exclusive games will be on the Wii this gen. The low dev costs and ridiculous install base make it by far the best prospect for devs looking to make an exclusive console game this gen. It'll be like the DS in the sense that almost every great title for the system will be exclusive

It's alright no biggy. Yeah, I understand why it is the way it is. I remember going to the Fusion Tour and watching some 50-60yr old Mom "pwn" some teenager in Wiiboxing and that's when it kind of settled in for me.

As for the "vast majority" I think a good part of that majority will come from Nintendo themselves (which is relatively redundant to include them as an "exclusive" to themselves, but I regress). The Wii may get the majority of support, but like you were saying it'll be by default (kind of like the DS). I don't think that this support will be of the same "pedigree" that the other systems get (not just talking graphics here, this is more a reference of IP and resources).

And I want to add that imo from the Wii perspective those multiplatform titles are relatively exclusive (relatively exclusive is the key word in that). Sure you can play on multiple systems... but you can't play them on the Wii (this is one of the breaks in the historical mold, where the highest seller was often the lowest common denominator for multiplatform titles, PS2 is a good example of this).

The Wii may get the majority of support, but like you were saying it'll be by default (kind of like the DS). I don't think that this support will be of the same "pedigree" that the other systems get (not just talking graphics here, this is more a reference of IP and resources).

-RPGamer-

I agree with this. I can't see the quality of 3rd party games shooting up any time soon to be honest, for that reason.

It'll be development out of obligation rather than an inpired desire.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

The Wii may get the majority of support, but like you were saying it'll be by default (kind of like the DS). I don't think that this support will be of the same "pedigree" that the other systems get (not just talking graphics here, this is more a reference of IP and resources).

mmogoon

I agree with this. I can't see the quality of 3rd party games shooting up any time soon to be honest, for that reason.

It'll be development out of obligation rather than an inpired desire.

i agree with both of you for the most part

but like the DS i think that a small minority of companies will go above and beyond, and it is these companies that will reap the rewards