Digital Foundry seems to think 30fps is legit going forward to next-gen consoles, are they right?

Follow by the tweet, Eurogamer goes into more details and also includes Spider-Man PS4 running in 60fps. But to not make this thread longer, I'll list key points:

• 30fps isn't a bad thing...depending on the game itself
• Don't expect every next-gen game to be all 60fps
• Developers will still target raw graphics over better framerates
• It’s not a hardware issue, it’s a developer choice of “we want the best graphics humanly possible and can only achieve that by having the games run at 30fps.”

My take on this. I know the PCMR is gonna dislike me saying this but. It depends on the game to be honest, and if it's a locked 30fps that never dips even in the most stressful chaotic situations its all good and I'm talking about consoles exclusives, not multiplats that comes to PC. If I want bleeding-edge performance and graphics, I'll play on my PC, I'm fine with games on consoles being whatever they need to be to be enjoyable. As long as I'm having fun, I can live with 30fps as long as it stays locked!

Many games don't require more than 30fps. I would think the biggest needs for higher fps are mostly VR and FPS and rhythm games. Those that require spot on reactions. Games like Spiderman, Uncharted, Horizon, GTA, etc... 30fps is just fine.

I’m fine with this myself.

Not all games need 60 fps. If gamers are expecting true next gen visuals then some will have to run at 30. Hermits should be aware that if a PS5 game targets 4K30 it will take true top tier hardware to get 4K60 at the same settings.

I find 30 fps is fine for most games on console since you tend to sit farther away from the screen. Would prefer 60, but will always take a steady frame-rate over a higher one.

Yeah it makes sense that they would use the extra power to show off dat graphical fidelity. Let's also consider that Sony wants to sell 4K TVs, and pushing console graphics at 4K is a means to that end.

Personally I don't care what game it is. 60fps should be an option. And if I were able to, it would be a simple thing to lower the resolution to get those frame rates at the same level of detail.

Most people play console games on TVs anyway, which typically have much higher input latency than even a cheap monitor.

The 4k thing is the real issue. It's just not worth it for gaming, IMO. I have a fancy home theater setup, and a fancy desktop setup. I've had plenty of time to compare different scenarios.

Good thing console exclusives are something of a rarity these days, since choice of graphics options are just as rare on console.

30 fps isn't a deal-breaker for me, but it would be a lot cooler if I could choose a lower resolution and 60fps.

Name me a single person with a 9.2tflop & 12tflop pc that plays in 30fps. Imagine playing at the bare minimum with a computer that would cost you $1300-1500 to build. Like what-in-the-actual-fook!?

By sitting further you notice less jaggies and shitty textures lol not a slide show. And remember, there's no such thing as stable frames on consoles, so if its 30, be certain that it'll go below it, and possible by over 10fps.

It does depend on the game. Anyone saying otherwise is just doing the SW thing.

@BassMan said:

lol

I can't really stand 30 fps games anymore. All the console games I play I turn the motion smoothing on my TV for. It's about the only way I can tolerate it. Looks like I'm gonna have to do it again for another gen.

Buh buh they say 120FPS

Ehhh...most of my favorite games last gen were 30 fps. If they can go higher great, if not, great.

But 8K 120FPS?

Framerate never matters when you have no option.

Its why Nintendo fanboys think playing Doom 2016 at 25FPS isn't a problem.

Thank goodness for PC I guess.

PS: All games benefit from higher framerates, anyone saying otherwise is lying to themselves.

@pc_rocks: atm sony saying so much bs and their no one to verify those claims... that dont work for sony.

I hope not! I’d rather have games run 1440p and higher frames.

Yeah, kind of the ultimate no shit. Performance stopped being a top priority for console game development back in gen 5. Don't know why anyone would expect next gen to be any different. Give developers more leg room and they'll almost always opt for a better looking game.

Aside from a few select genres, graphics will always be a better selling point than performance. Just how it is.

Though I do wish more devs would meet us half way with some options. I don't expect a PC level list of settings, if it's just 2 choices, a graphics mode and a performance mode, that's fine.

Last gen almost everything (except CoD, RAGE and not much more) ran at 30fps with common drops to mid 20s. This gen 60fps became standard in some genres (racing, fighting, sports, multiplayer games in general, indies, etc), and most 30fps games run locked.

I can only expect the trend to grow next gen. There will still be 30fps games, oc, but i believe (and hope) they will be less common.

And its why I rather play BoTW on PC with 60fps. That game plays flawlessly while in 60fps, its a damn shame Nintendo fans won't experience this while being stuck on Switch.

It really should be an option for console gamers by now, but sadly, console developers will always shoot for higher resolution over better performance and for me, I avoid 30fps if I can. If there's a certain console game I want to play on and can't play it on PC, I'll just work what I have.

@davillain-: Isn’t emulation type talk like playing games on systems they are not meant to be played on frowned upon here?

@hardwenzen:

This is one total bullshit post many games on consoles are 30FPS lock,or close most games that drop to hell are rush out multipñatforms.

Fact is a 30FPS game on a 12TF machine will certainly look better than a 60FPS one,just as a 60FPS one will be smoother.

@Archangel3371: Giving the fact I never detail "how" I never went overboard ;)

@davillain-: Well it is obvious still plus it just seems arbitrary to me. Just seems too ‘slippery slope’ to me. But I don’t make the rules so I’m not sure. 🤷‍♂️

It’s pretty incredible that ratchet and clank on ps2 is 60fps, yet on ps5 it’s 30fps.

@davillain-: I don’t think putting it in spoiler tags makes it any better. 😅

Yes why would anyone want their games to feel smoother

Its already been talk about in various place in SW but not providing details is the main draw we don't go further. I don't make the rules, so shoot me🤷‍♂️

@davillain-: Well I thought that it was something that was just suggested to be not brought up at all. If it’s ok then why hide it in spoiler tags? Anyway if those are indeed the rules and it’s fine we’ll then, whatever. I just thought it wasn’t so I thought that it was worth mentioning. 🤷‍♂️

Of course 30 fps is fine for most of the games, only a small herd of hermits will argue against to justify their overpriced "uber" GPUs!!!

After experiencing 120fps, 30fps is practically unplayable to me and 60 fps is a bare minimum to me. I can tolerate mid 40s if its a really good looking game and its singleplayer. I'm struggling right now with GuJian 3 in deciding whether I want high resolution or high frame rates since I can't get both.

30 fps is fine, but given the choice, I would always choose 60 fps with over 30

Digital Foundry is just another corporate apologist they are very popular these days they wouldn't talk shit about next gen consoles it wouldn't be good for them financially.

30 FPS BAHHAHAHAHA

I think some Gamers really do legitimately enjoy 60 FPS more and I think it is unfair to say to justify their expensive GPU's, as while that may or may not be true for some gamers, those are only talking about 4k 60 and many people like playing at 1080P 60 over 4K 30 and those people can do that on very low cost GPU's so that point is not true for many people who just like the feel of higher frame rate over visuals.

Instead of aiming full 4k, devs should do performance option at 1440p or 1880p 60fps with checkerboard. No shame in 1440p its what some PC user plays on, heck some compromise to poor 1080p for that 120fps.

At least some of the rendering can be offloaded on the SSD to increase the framerate. 🤣

Of course...and i agree with you.

30 or 60 fps, just go with what pleases you, as far as i'm concerned i don't care...both are fine for me.

TV’s are outpacing console tech at an alarming rate. It’s a good thing small form factor PC’s are getting so much better and easier to build.

Thirty FPS!??? And some people are fine with that?

Anything less than 60FPS is a latency filled slide show. If I want to see 30 or less I'll go to the movies the graphics are better.

That's pathetic.

People don't give a poo about framerate, so I'm not surprised.

For some reason 30fps on consoles feels more bearable than 30fps on PC. I know for PC gaming I can't handle under 60 and even then I aim to get above 80 where I can. 30 on consoles feels...fine though? Perhaps it's to do with the substantially higher input lag which kind of masks it somehow or the lower refresh rate of the TV.

Anyway, unless it's an FPS or racing game, 30 is fine.

A few games have already came forward saying they are shooting for 120. I'm definitely not saying that is something to go off of or will be the normal, but I'm not too worried either way. Faster loading and more seamless gameplay with less slowdown is what matters the most to me personally.