DF Analysis: Rise Of The Ronin. Last gen visuals, 936p, sub 60fps banger. Truly optimized for the PS5.

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#1 hardwenzen
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I present to you the shittiest game engine in the whole gaming industry. Doesn't get any worse, and couldn't get any worse. Literally every game that uses it, looks like trash, runs like trash, has insane pop-ins and has a 2003 standards resolution. Not sure wtf they're doing out there.

This game was made for just one system. This is the ultimate PS5 optization, and THIS is what they were able to achieve? Time for TN to retire from game development.

- Extreme pop in
- Runs at sub 1080p
- Visuals from one to two generations ago
- Cannot run at 60fps stable

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#2  Edited By Mesome713
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Don’t worry, PS5 Pro coming soon, you won’t have to suffer those Switch graphics for long.

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#3 Saint-George
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I'll try the 936p,sub 60Fps burger please
I'll try the 936p,sub 60Fps burger please

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Honestly Sony should make every "Sony published game" use the Decima Engine and have a team dedicated to teach studios how to use it.

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#5  Edited By BassMan
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@silentchief: That is what EA did with Frostbite and we all know how that turned out. Careful what you wish for.

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#6 Pedro
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At least it is excoosive.😏

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#7 hardwenzen
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@BassMan said:

@silentchief: That is what EA did with Frostbite and we all know how that turned out. Careful what you wish for.

That is not a good comparison. FB was made for BF and BF only. What is bf? A linear af compaign and multiplayer pvp. GG's engine is excellent for open world as we've seen with Horizon/Death Stranding, and i am not seeing why it wouldn't be great for a more linear title. Easily top 3 best engines in the industry.

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still getting it. people I know has it and the gameplay is fun.

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#9 hardwenzen
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@gifford38 said:

still getting it. people I know has it and the gameplay is fun.

Don't you think that's being in denial? Reminds me of that one guy saying the same thing about Skull In Bones.

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#10 TheEroica  Moderator
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Graphics don't determine good games.... But what's most worrying about Ronin is the ancient open world approach. Every complains about assassin's Creed open worlds, but then the industry doubles down on it. Weird.

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#11  Edited By hardwenzen
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@TheEroica said:

Graphics don't determine good games.... But what's most worrying about Ronin is the ancient open world approach. Every complains about assassin's Creed open worlds, but then the industry doubles down on it. Weird.

Team Ninja is a directionless developer. They have no idea what the hell they're doing. They see a certain genre popular, they copy it while recycling everything from their previous games to hopefull get something that isn't a perfect copy of asscreed or other shovelware.

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@gifford38 said:

still getting it. people I know has it and the gameplay is fun.

Awesome, I want to play it too!

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#13 DaVillain  Moderator
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@BassMan said:

@silentchief: That is what EA did with Frostbite and we all know how that turned out. Careful what you wish for.

Which is why most of every developers are going with UE5 as some developers are just bad at using their own house engines.

UE5 should be the way to go IMO but as you say, best to leave what fits with developers choice of engine.

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@mesome713 said:

Don’t worry, PS5 Pro coming soon, you won’t have to suffer those Switch graphics for long.

This game looks better than any Switch game. But that isn't saying much, of course.

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#15  Edited By Robertos  Online
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@hardwenzen said:

- Extreme pop in

- Runs at sub 1080p

- Visuals from one to two generations ago

- Cannot run at 60fps stable

PS5 is such an embarrassment!

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Give it a couple of months, I'm sure the dev can fix some of this with updates.

I don't expect much from AAA games at launch.

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#17 hardwenzen
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btw is anyone on SW playing this trash?😱

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#18 hardwenzen
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A proper review that says it how it is. Predicted it all without playing the game, because with some developers (343i being one of them), if you follow gaming, you know exactly what to expect. I just hope gifford38 does his best to enjoy this piece of garbage.

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@hardwenzen said:
@gifford38 said:

still getting it. people I know has it and the gameplay is fun.

Don't you think that's being in denial? Reminds me of that one guy saying the same thing about Skull In Bones.

And I am 80+ hours into Skull and Bones and I still love it. IGN’s 7/10 is way more realistic than what Gamespot gave it. Skull and Bones seems to be running better than your precious Dragon’s Dogma 2 *Chef Kiss* enjoy.

Crap, the price of S&B went down to $59.99. If you have tonnes of time on your hands and are not opposed to the time period it takes place in then you would be a fool not to pick it up. Not you Hardwenzen though, you are too stuck in your ways, Ubisoft hate.

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#20 hardwenzen
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@strategyfn said:
@hardwenzen said:
@gifford38 said:

still getting it. people I know has it and the gameplay is fun.

Don't you think that's being in denial? Reminds me of that one guy saying the same thing about Skull In Bones.

And I am 80+ hours into Skull and Bones and I still love it. IGN’s 7/10 is way more realistic than what Gamespot gave it. Skull and Bones seems to be running better than your precious Dragon’s Dogma 2 *Chef Kiss* enjoy.

Crap, the price of S&B went down to $59.99. If you have tonnes of time on your hands and are not opposed to the time period it takes place in then you would be a fool not to pick it up. Not you Hardwenzen though, you are too stuck in your ways, Ubisoft hate.

You're a strong man. An inspiration.

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#21  Edited By strategyfn
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Angry Joe is full of crap. I agree with him one in every ten times. If that much, maybe it is one in every fifteen times.

I will see if I have time to watch that video. I predict I will disagree with him in the first five minutes—which happened with another S&B youtube hate video I watched.

How did Fromsoft’s Armored Core turn out for you? Garbage? I ask because I played Armored Core 2 demo on PS2 it was rough to get into. Plus, a few days after launch no more AC talk. Must be why you are subconsciously bitter if Ubisoft games selling better.

Of to watch Angry Joe S&B take, wonder how long until I disagree: I will let you know.

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#22  Edited By strategyfn
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3 minutes in and I already disagree with him several times—I must be pyschic. While your crew plunders you shoot at enemy ships or enemy towers and structures with your ship.

A real reason he could hate on this is because it would take too much time off his hands which he doesn’t have.

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#23 Mozelleple112
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@BassMan: I'm curious, how did that turn out?

I assume Dead Space, Battlefield, Jedi FO/Survivor and battlefront games all use the frostbite engine? and they all look pretty stunning?

I know Survivor had huge problems at launch, but I bought it way later and it runs like butter 4K all maxed with DLSS3-Q / DLAA-FG

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@Mozelleple112 said:

@BassMan: I'm curious, how did that turn out?

I assume Dead Space, Battlefield, Jedi FO/Survivor and battlefront games all use the frostbite engine? and they all look pretty stunning?

I know Survivor had huge problems at launch, but I bought it way later and it runs like butter 4K all maxed with DLSS3-Q / DLAA-FG

EA dropped the restriction that devs have to use Frostbite. But interestingly enough this restriction never applied to Respawn, they just used Source and UE, without any interference from EA.

So yeah Fallen Order and Survivor both run on UE4. The fun thing is that you can apply UE tweaks to make TAA and DLSS look better.

In fact the game launched with FSR (and a paid DLSS mod), I just used existing UE methods to get DLSS in that game so I don't have to pay that PureDark guy, trying to turn a quick buck from every broken release...

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#25  Edited By BassMan
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@Mozelleple112 said:

@BassMan: I'm curious, how did that turn out?

I assume Dead Space, Battlefield, Jedi FO/Survivor and battlefront games all use the frostbite engine? and they all look pretty stunning?

I know Survivor had huge problems at launch, but I bought it way later and it runs like butter 4K all maxed with DLSS3-Q / DLAA-FG

We ended up with broken ass games like Mass Effect Andromeda. The development teams hated working with the engine and didn't know WTF they were doing even though there was a dedicated Frostbite support team to assist developers. The engine lacked many features and teams were scrambling trying to get things to work with the engine. This plagued many games and development teams. Even DICE themselves no longer knew how to work with the engine as many of the core Frostbite guys left the company and we ended up with the disaster that is BF 2042. Eventually, EA gave up on pushing the Frostbite Engine internally and told developers to use what they felt was best for their games.

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Samurai people cool. Steam sale shit publisher.

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@BassMan said:
@Mozelleple112 said:

@BassMan: I'm curious, how did that turn out?

I assume Dead Space, Battlefield, Jedi FO/Survivor and battlefront games all use the frostbite engine? and they all look pretty stunning?

I know Survivor had huge problems at launch, but I bought it way later and it runs like butter 4K all maxed with DLSS3-Q / DLAA-FG

We ended up with broken ass games like Mass Effect Andromeda. The development teams hated working with the engine and didn't know WTF they were doing even though there was a dedicated Frostbite support team to assist developers. The engine lacked many features and teams were scrambling trying to get things to work with the engine. This plagued many games and development teams. Even DICE themselves no longer knew how to work with the engine as many of the core Frostbite guys left the company and we ended up with the disaster that is BF 2042. Eventually, EA gave up on pushing the Frostbite Engine internally and told developers to use what they felt was best for their games.

Eeeeeh, I don't really agree with that. Devs said that Frostbite wasn't fit for racing games, they said they had none of the logic for an RPG.

But in the end I played the NFS games and I played Andromeda and Dragon age Inquisition and they all work fine.

I agree with your sentiment that devs shouldn't be forced to use anything they don't want/know.

In closing I don't think there is a single day that passes that I'm not sad that ID tech is no longer freely available for everyone to use. Quake 3 engine was insane, and single handedly carried the FPS genre back in its day. Heck even Cryengine/Lumberyard falling to the sidelines means there are very few good third party tools to choose from.

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#28  Edited By R4gn4r0k
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@uninspiredcup said:

Samurai people cool. Steam sale shit publisher.

Koei Tecmo has published numerous Team Ninja games but I don't think that is the case here, this is purely a Sony/Team Ninja colaboration.

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#29 R4gn4r0k
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Made somthing during my lunch break.

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#30 BassMan
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@R4gn4r0k: Whether you agree with it or not, that is how shit went down.

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It was a pain in the ass to develop and it was infamous for how broken and unpolished it was. It took a long time to get it to respectable state after launch.

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#31 R4gn4r0k
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@BassMan: My favourite bug was the weird neck lady

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Since I play all my games with ugly as sin looking characters, andromeda's weird faces didn't stand out to me. Hehe

But I will watch that video, thanks for the share. My favourite channel for industry insights has to be "what happened" by Matt McMuscles.

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Poo cows. lol :P

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@hardwenzen said:

- Extreme pop in

- Runs at sub 1080p

- Visuals from one to two generations ago

- Cannot run at 60fps stable

Can confirm.

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#34 KvallyX
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Well this game crashed and burned 😟

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#35 Pedro
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@kvallyx: But it is excoosive.

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#36  Edited By tdkmillsy
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This is what happens when you buy games and don't develop your own.

What a long year it's going to be for cows.

Trash games you have to actually pay $70 to play.

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#37  Edited By Pedro
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@tdkmillsy said:

This is what happens when you buy games and don't develop your own.

What a long year it's going to be for cows.

Trash games you have to actually pay $70 to play.

Some loyal Sony fannies on this forum ponied up a solid $70 for this game.😏

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@tdkmillsy said:

This is what happens when you buy games and don't develop your own.

What a long year it's going to be for cows.

Trash games you have to actually pay $70 to play.

I don't think you understand how traumatizing your Hellblade 2 experience is gonna be.

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#39  Edited By Pedro
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*Xbox fanny dressed in leather has re-entered the room*🤭

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@hardwenzen: even if it's as bad as this, at least I don't have to pay $70 for it.

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#41 hardwenzen
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@tdkmillsy said:

@hardwenzen: even if it's as bad as this, at least I don't have to pay $70 for it.

It will be worse, and it'll be a shorter game. And me neither i have to pay $70 cuz i ain't wasting my cash on shitty titles when dragon's dogma 2 is around.

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@hardwenzen: and how you going to base this judgement? Gamespot review? Metacritic scores are what pops up in your head to win a argument?

Like I said one of the 4 bought 3rd party games by Sony is worth playing and everyone is playing that on PC

Shite year for Sony

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#43 hardwenzen
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@tdkmillsy said:

@hardwenzen: and how you going to base this judgement? Gamespot review? Metacritic scores are what pops up in your head to win a argument?

Like I said one of the 4 bought 3rd party games by Sony is worth playing and everyone is playing that on PC

Shite year for Sony

Meta and possibly gs scores as well. The game is guaranteed to be poop, tdkmillsy.

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#44 tdkmillsy
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@hardwenzen: I'd ask you to back those claims up. But we all know you have zero backbone in your body.

Rise of ronin (currently 76%) v hellblade 2 meta (critic not user) scores.

Happy to wait and see. Infact from previews I'm very happy to wait and see

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#45 hardwenzen
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@tdkmillsy said:

@hardwenzen: I'd ask you to back those claims up. But we all know you have zero backbone in your body.

Rise of ronin (currently 76%) v hellblade 2 meta (critic not user) scores.

Happy to wait and see. Infact from previews I'm very happy to wait and see

Yes, wait n see for your mediocre walk in a straight line video game.

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#46 tdkmillsy
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@hardwenzen: maybe you should value diversity in games and people for that matter.

The game will score higher than 76% and set the standard for console graphics. Your excuse will be it's not a an open world game.

Your easy to read as my 7 year old niece.

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#47  Edited By hardwenzen
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@tdkmillsy said:

@hardwenzen: maybe you should value diversity in games and people for that matter.

The game will score higher than 76% and set the standard for console graphics. Your excuse will be it's not a an open world game.

Your easy to read as my 7 year old niece.

Its a game that is as linear as an on-rail first person shooter from the arcade days. It better deliver in the graphical department. Literally The Order 1886 of this generation🤣

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#48 tdkmillsy
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@hardwenzen: so you cannot enjoy a linear game??

Your loss

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@tdkmillsy said:

@hardwenzen: so you cannot enjoy a linear game??

Your loss

He is a youtube gamer.

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#50 Miquella
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And the funniest thing is that they confidently sell it for $70