Dev - "PS4 Pro Is Like A 5 Year Old PC And It's Holding Developers Back"

A Way Out team member, Josef Fares who is a game director for the game was interviewed by Engadget and he was actually talking about the PS4 version of the game. During the interview he actually said that PlayStation 4 Pro is pretty much an old kind of system that really holds the developers back. This is actually what he said:

“Do you want the honest truth? This machine is not so strong as you think. This is like a five-year-old PC. If consoles were as powerful as PCs are today, you would see all different games. Most of the work developers put out there is to make them work on consoles.”

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Shots fired! I do find it strange that he has taken aim at the PS4 Pro, when his game also has to work on the OG PS4 and Xbox One.

That's pretty much on point.

this must mean xbone one is 5.5 years holding pc gaming back and one x 4.5.

console gaming is dead

Looks like there need to be a console generation after all.

Oh this should be good

Yeah sure if with "all different games" you mean better graphic sure...you dont need top highend PC to make/play good games.

True if there Pro is holding things back, what is the X1 doing? Burying them 6 feet under?

But anyways we have already seen developers do impressive stuff on PS4 that rival even high end PC games like Horizon so maybe what this guy is really saying is that they lack talent or want things easier to optimize. In the end the only way for PC to not be "held back" is not releasing the games on consoles but then guys such as this would cry due to low sales and, not only that, but the game would still be held back by the weakest settings on PC.

To think, PS4 was once called a 'developers dream' by someone at Square Enix at it's reveal conference, then goes to 'holding developers back' with the Pro. Aren't these consoles by Sony and MS supposed to improve? I mean, yikes.

Stating the obvious truth. This has always been the case with consoles.

@nintendoboy16: were talking about 2012 tech in 2017. No console on the market is powerful enough

Weak attempt to seem balanced.

Stroking out severely.

In come cows to bash the developer and his games............until he makes a PS4 exclusive.

the salt is real

That is one badly written article (ooo such a snob).

But anyway, interesting to hear their point of view. I assume it's just a fairly difficult console to optimise games for efficiently, hence some developers are likely to have the odd grumble.

Consoles are always behind PC, and even the X1X is no exception to that. This is hardly new and has been true of every generation because you can't expect better performance from a box costing $400-500. No matter what the PR would have you believe.

If the Dev is unhappy with the limitations, they can either make their games exclusively for the PC, to the further exclusion of older and current lower spec hardware, or quit their belly aching and just do the best they can with the currently available specs. Which is what they've always had to do every decade, on console and PC alike.

Complaining about the hardware limitations is pointless as the tech landscape is never stationary, and that next advancement is always on the horizon in the never ending cycle.

Whatever. Check my history, ask some of the more prominent Cows here. I've been called a Lem for the past 4 years. Just because it seems to you now that I disagree with your fanboy ways, I'm unbalanced?

And? I'm just saying that, for such reception the PS4 got and the Pro is getting among developers, that's pretty bad, especially when Pro is supposed to be an improvement. That said, I don't expect third parties to drop it like a brick house anytime soon.

Damn Straight! Now where's my Switch Port of DBFighterz?

Well when you half-ass a console upgrade it's to be expected

Nonsense PR of course. They had to downgrade the game.

Nonsense PR or not, it is bad that it would fall back like that overtime.

**** does this mean a way out won't be on the OG consoles? I mean this guy is bitching about the pro not being strong enough!

Jaguar-based CPUs saved gaming. lolz

nah that would be a colossal mistake, cutting out like 90% of the install base doesn't exactly do well for the sales

Well aware of your history, including the pathetic attempt to discredit Scorpio the last 6 months.

No one is calling you a Cow. Just calling out your crap, 'look at me I am balanced' thread. Especially with this terrible article you posted. It reads like my 2nd grader wrote it.

@pinkanimal: Horizon doesn't look that good. It looks exactly how it should on this type of hardware. There are tons of games on PC that look much better. Horizon looks good only on YouTube on a small screen. I have it on my PS4 and on a my hdtv i can see bland textures all over the game. Like really bland low res textures. Not mentioning weather effects are like from ps4 era. I mean rain doessnt even produce rains drops on the ground like in other modern games. Or unrealistic plastic faces. Horizon is a good game, but it's not a gfx by no means like some fanboys try to make others believe.

@kuu2: How did I try to discredit the Scorpio? I tried to discredit fanboys wild claims. And all of it is coming to fruition. I'm a fan of Xbox and am buying the console day 1. I'm not sure why I would try to discredit the console I'm excited for.

Also, the writing ability of the author doesn't discredit the quote from the developer.

PS4 Pro's memory bandwidth is crippling. "A Way Out" game is powered by Unreal Engine 4.

UE4 is gimped on current AMD hardware and usually lose to NVIDIA's TFLOPS counterpart.

I don't understand how someone can claim the Pro is holding developers back when it is currently the most powerful console on the market? That makes zero sense. The Xbox One and PS4 surely are holding devs back more. I think this comment can be dismissed pretty easily; if someone wants to throw daggers, throw it at the 1.31 teraflop machine that most people are trying to make compatible with their games.

"A Way Out" is another Unreal Engine 4.... well known 3D engine gimping on current AMD GPU hardware.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58011/ark-dev-xbox-one-pc-gtx-1070-16gb-ram/index.html

As for the comparisons between the PC and Xbox One X, he said: "If you think about it, it's kind of equivalent to a GTX 1070 maybe and the Xbox One X actually has 12GB of GDDR5 memory. It's kind of like having a pretty high-end PC minus a lot of overhead due to the operating system on PC. So I would say it's equivalent to a 16GB 1070 PC, and that's a pretty good deal for $499".

Ark Survival is also Unreal Engine 4.

Because devs don't start developing for a console only once it's out on the market?

So...Way out is XboneX eclusive? As in **** you Xbone basics.

Okay so...

X1=8 year old PC

PS4=6 year old PC

PS4Pro=4 year old PC

XboneX=3 year old PC

It should be common practice to develop games in a scalable way such that you can make it run on a variety of hardware.

People who develop for PC know this since PCs can be more powerful, as powerful, or less powerful than a console from person to person.

So if anything, it's holding his artistic vision back. If your game is fun most people wont care about the developers artistic vision and will just be happy that it runs on their system.

That's a stupid statement. "If consoles were as powerful as PCs are today, you would see all different games."

No shit. PCs cost like $1000-1500 on average. The PS4 Pro is $400 while the PS4 is $250.

This guy is an idiot.

and so is xbox x with that tablet cpu

Bingo.

It will be a while yet before you can build a PC for the same money as X1X that will compete with it.

@tdkmillsy:that is true as there are a lot of parts which price doesnt really go down all that much, like ram+mobo+case+power etc

@tdkmillsy: And? My GTX 1080 and i7 6770k with 32 gbs of RAM wipes the floor with that brand new $500 piece of shit. Do you think devs give a flying crap about price/performance ratio?

This is called moving the goalpost.

Have you read his comment even?

Nonsense. The Switch is much weaker and yet we still see interesting games for it. If this guy wants to focus on high end systems, let him focus on PC then. Also, I think I'm the only one who thought A Way Out looked like crap lol.

I know you don't understand integrity hence all these threads you keep making.

When an author of an article can't write properly it calls into question the integrity of the rest of the article.

Sorry call me old school.

@goldenelementxl:

A 5 year old pc is still really good. Y'all pc goers are spoiled rotten!

@kuu2: So you are saying the developer didn't say these things? A quote is a quote, regardless of the words surrounding it. Now if the dev comes out and says he was misrepresented here, I will delete the thread.

Talking about PS4 and PS4 Pro, doesn't mention X1X once.

Lame source twisted for other gain

nice try

This makes no sense at all. The original PS4 and Xbox one should be the consoles mentioned that are holding things back. According to this the Pro is holding development back, but the Xbox one isn't? As a PC gamer I don't really care. I enjoy all my consoles(PS4Pro, Xbox one) and PC as they all have their benefits and negatives. I just really wanted to point out the stupidity in his statement which is clearly a marketing/advertisement for the new Xbox.

and not the PS4 or the even worse Xbox 1?

@MonsieurX: there is no salt, just developer stupidity a console cost 300 not 1000