[QUOTE="Fatkiwi"]Games or game systems cannot be hardcore. Only gamers can be hardcore.Zerostatic0Yeah, I mean many people wouldn't say the Wii is hardcore or that Wii Sports is hardcore, but if there is somebody out there who plays it several hours every day, has a perfect score ranking in all 5 games and has gotten to the point where he can beat people blindfolded, are you telling me that dude isn't hardcore? Hell yeah he's hardcore, much more so than the guy who plays Halo 3 for a couple of hour each week and is just an average player. I'd have to agree here-it's the players that take it to the next level, so to speak, that make a game hardcore. Hell, there could be hardcore Pong players for all I know... Anyway, to throw my two cents into the debate, I'd have to say that there is no single definition of "hardcore". Falcon 4.0, especially in Open Falcon 4.5 flavor, is indeed a very hardcore game. No, it's not so much the mastering of the F-16's various subsystems as it is the incredibly daunting task of, say, trying to take out a MiG-29 with just your guns(something that is much more difficult than you'd think). IL-2 Sturmovik can be just as hardcore, as while the avionics for WWII aircraft are much simpler, the act of flying and especially fighting in the aircraft are still quite difficult, especially when you have to deal with each aircraft's particular tendencies for stalls and spins in flight much moreso than you do modern jets. However, this doesn't mean that Ikaruga is not a hardcore game, as while the game's mechanics are quite simple, actually trying to survive that hailstorm of bullets with opposite colors is a daunting task in itself. As to which is more hardcore than the other, I will not judge. Some people like this type of hardcore gaming, other people like that type of hardcore gaming, and I'm not going to say that one group of people are totally wrong when it comes to what makes a game hardcore. EDIT: I almost forgot to make a note to myself to buy the GCN version of Ikaruga, whenever I have the spare cash to do so. That, and Radiant Silvergun(though that'll be the Saturn version).
Defining a Hardcore Platform
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