Debunking the PS3's alleged Blu-Ray advantage

this is what i find disturbing
" Debunking the PS3's alleged Blu-Ray advantage"
why name it that when you can keep Blu-ray's for ever and 360 is only rental's :|
thats your point right that Xbox360 can play HD movies also but there all rental's :| blu-rays are for ever like diamonds :DSquall_Griver

and PS3 will be getting HD (downloadable) movies also and can play blu-ray movies thats the advantage ps3 has
360 needs a soon to be dead HD-dvd drive to play hd movies
Squall_Griver

[QUOTE="RKFS"]The 360 is more furturistic... lilrush

If bluray does happen to win the format war, than ps3 will seem very affordable and good value. volcus

The HD that you download is just High Res. Regular DVD's...nothing more.

Did you really think those downloads that are 3gigs big would compete with HDDVD and BLu-Ray's 15GIG PLUS QUALITY.
THINK ABOUT IT.

I'm not even going to respond to this as absolutely everything you've said is cleared up in the first post, and half the stuff you say is flat-out incorrect.Ninja-Vox

Read my post above, your entire thread is ruined, since you didn't understand TECH. 

The HD that you download is just High Res. Regular DVD's...nothing more.

Did you really think those downloads that are 3gigs big would compete with HDDVD and BLu-Ray's 15GIG PLUS QUALITY.
THINK ABOUT IT.

XTy

[QUOTE="XTy"]

The HD that you download is just High Res. Regular DVD's...nothing more.

Did you really think those downloads that are 3gigs big would compete with HDDVD and BLu-Ray's 15GIG PLUS QUALITY.
THINK ABOUT IT.

magus-21

Dude, M$ already said that they aren't even close to the same quality. Of course, this is VERY, VERY Obvious if you tried the service, as I have, that's why I own the HD-DVD player.

And for the record, initially HD-DVD didn't EVER do 1080p. 

Anyways, there's no point in arguing, they aren't even close to the same in quality. 

What i find funny is that the TC is paying $6 to rent a 720p movie ...

  While you can rent Blu-ray movies for the same price ... if not LESS then that ...

  Next - you can BUY blu-ray movies ... can you buy 1080p movies on 360 - no, why? too big size ...

  next - do your movie rentals come with deleted scences and bonus fottage etc. you know that 30gb / 25gb-50gb that HD-DVD and Blu-ray movies come with ...

  Next - PS3 uses Blu-ray for games changing the maximun size of 1 disc games from 9.4gb to 25gb / 50gb ...

  In the end do not dismiss PS3's Blu-ray abilities due to the fact that if you delete your demo's and stuff you can rent a movie or 2 ...

 Ohh and downloading movies is great FOR YOU ... but some of us like me here in Australia have crappy internet ... 10gb a month download limit Broadband ... how many movies could i view per month ? compared to howmany Blue-ray movies could i rent in the same period ... ? 

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="XTy"]

The HD that you download is just High Res. Regular DVD's...nothing more.

Did you really think those downloads that are 3gigs big would compete with HDDVD and BLu-Ray's 15GIG PLUS QUALITY.
THINK ABOUT IT.

XTy

Dude, M$ already said that they aren't even close to the same quality. Of course, this is VERY, VERY Obvious if you tried the service, as I have, that's why I own the HD-DVD player.

And for the record, initially HD-DVD didn't EVER do 1080p.

Anyways, there's no point in arguing, they aren't even close to the same in quality.

[QUOTE="XTy"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="XTy"]

The HD that you download is just High Res. Regular DVD's...nothing more.

Did you really think those downloads that are 3gigs big would compete with HDDVD and BLu-Ray's 15GIG PLUS QUALITY.
THINK ABOUT IT.

magus-21

Dude, M$ already said that they aren't even close to the same quality. Of course, this is VERY, VERY Obvious if you tried the service, as I have, that's why I own the HD-DVD player.

And for the record, initially HD-DVD didn't EVER do 1080p.

Anyways, there's no point in arguing, they aren't even close to the same in quality.

That's not why at all...I need to go back to my AV forums, since this is crazy talk up in here. 

The 360's hd content is limited to rental and by the 20 gig hard drive, so how is having a blu-ray player standard not a advantage??

Also won"t the ps3 have similar hd content on psn??? 

ChiChiMonKilla

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

The 360's hd content is limited to rental and by the 20 gig hard drive, so how is having a blu-ray player standard not a advantage??

Also won"t the ps3 have similar hd content on psn???

Pro_wrestler

I can rent Blu-Ray for the same price as the Live! HD downloads. So we're back to the PS3 costing more now?  

I'm not bashing on the PS3 here, before i even start. I am bothered however, by two of my friends who sing the praises of the machine because it's built-in Blu-Ray player. It doesn't matter if you point out the unimpressive games (and i'm not saying it'll always be that way....), they will always come back with the "yeah man, but it's got a high-def movie player built right in!"

 

And that, is the supposed advantage over the 360 and justification for the increased price. Because the PS3 has a built-in high-def video player.

 

Well, so does the 360. Right now i can go on xbox live, and even though i have a gold membership i dont need one - it's completely free for everybody who owns a 360 - and i can go to the video marketplace and download myself an episode of south park in HD. Or a full movie for that matter, in high-def.

 

And it's hardly just a little add-on. XBox Live is the bigger provider of HD movies via the internet, that's how big it is. Only one site beats it in terms of overall video downloads (including standard definition) and that's iTunes. And what's more, the cost of downloading these movies is about a fifth of the cost of a blu-ray movie, and that's before you factor in the extra $100 you paid for the PS3.

 

I realise there are downsides to some extent; for example the movie is a rental. You watch it a certain number of times and then it's gone; but i'm fine with that so long as the price remains so low.

 

I think microsoft need to make people more aware of all the stuff the 360 can do. There's no reason why the PS3 should be see as some superior media-machine. The only thing it's really got that the 360 doesn't is the web browser.

 

Thoughts? 

Ninja-Vox

Not much HD movies in a 20 gig HDD wouldnt you agree?

single layered BD-roms have more space than that :|
Squall_Griver

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]I'm not even going to respond to this as absolutely everything you've said is cleared up in the first post, and half the stuff you say is flat-out incorrect.XTy

Read my post above, your entire thread is ruined, since you didn't understand TECH.

The TC is so in denial.

First he compare the cost of RENTING and BUYING.

Then he compare 720p with 1080p

And then he tried to justify 20Gb as enough for 2 movies. 

Finally, must have an internet connection is a REQUIREMENT, not an advantage. The movie is not gonna play anywhere else without the Xbox AND an internet connection.

[QUOTE="XTy"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]I'm not even going to respond to this as absolutely everything you've said is cleared up in the first post, and half the stuff you say is flat-out incorrect.tranhgiang

Read my post above, your entire thread is ruined, since you didn't understand TECH.

The TC is so in denial.

First he compare the cost of RENTING and BUYING.

Then he compare 720p with 1080p

And then he tried to justify 20Gb as enough for 2 movies.

Finally, must have an internet connection is a REQUIREMENT, not an advantage. The movie is not gonna play anywhere else without the Xbox AND an internet connection.

[QUOTE="RKFS"]The 360 is more furturistic... lilrush

I just downloaded Jackass 2 last night.

It was 5 gig 720p.

It only took 5 mins to download and I was able to watch it while it was streaming.

:-)

I've used both XBL and Blu-Ray to watch HD movies about the same amount.  It really just comes down to what is more convenient that day.  If me and the woman are about to go out for awhile and want to watch a movie that night, I will queue up a download on XBL and it will be ready within a few hours when we get back.

 If we are just sitting around and want to head to the rental store to pick something out, including regular DVD's as an option, we always look through the Blu-Ray movies as well.  It's super common that we come home with 2 regular DVD's and a Blu-Ray.

To try and slam EITHER option due to the features of the other is just stupid.  Both are great, viable, and provide an excellent picture quality.  720p is almost as good as 1080p, and both are extremely better then standard def when watching on our 50" DLP.  I have yet to fill up my 360 hard-drive, or even come close to it.  I don't keep demos that long after playing them, which is pretty much the only content that competes for big chunk of the harddrive space.  Content downloads are fairly small.

I am a little at odds with the blu-ray in the PS3.  On one hand I think that it's awesome because of the extra space it provides for games, and I got a cheap blu-ray player to go with my 1080p TV.  On the other hand I hate that Sony has forced 1080p through HDMI only (then they "forgot" to include an HDMI cable in the box), and that they have all kinds of copywrite protections written into the hardware along HDMI.  I don't steal movies, and have no intention of doing so, so this seems like a bit of a slap in the face for having been a good citizen while others are out doing so.  Blu-Ray movies will be stolen in the future anyways.  Crackers have always gone ahead and done it whenever challenged.  I fail to see why using HDMI is going to stop anything.

The only things movies studios should be involved with is making movies, and putting them on disks.  Once they get their hands in deciding what hardware goes into personal electronics for our homes, we all get screwed somehow.  They do not have out best interests in mind and will do anything to shank a buck our two here or there.  Blu-ray just seems to have an aura of this mentality that makes me wish is would fail somehow.

I just downloaded Jackass 2 last night.

It was 5 gig 720p.

It only took 5 mins to download and I was able to watch it while it was streaming.

:-)

billing

[QUOTE="billing"]

I just downloaded Jackass 2 last night.

It was 5 gig 720p.

It only took 5 mins to download and I was able to watch it while it was streaming.

:-)

Bgrngod

Yes, and it was 720p

I have normal DSL, nothing special.

[QUOTE="billing"]

I just downloaded Jackass 2 last night.

It was 5 gig 720p.

It only took 5 mins to download and I was able to watch it while it was streaming.

:-)

Bgrngod

[QUOTE="billing"]

I just downloaded Jackass 2 last night.

It was 5 gig 720p.

It only took 5 mins to download and I was able to watch it while it was streaming.

:-)

Bgrngod

As for the whole HD/BD argument, show me one of those that'll play seamlessly in my regular DVD player and cost no more than just over the standard DVD price, and you'll have a future convert. I am not switching over unless I can do it painlessly.

BTW, I insist on a physical medium. You can't show downloads to kids in a car. 

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="billing"]

I just downloaded Jackass 2 last night.

It was 5 gig 720p.

It only took 5 mins to download and I was able to watch it while it was streaming.

:-)

billing

Yes, and it was 720p

I have normal DSL, nothing special.

[QUOTE="billing"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="billing"]

I just downloaded Jackass 2 last night.

It was 5 gig 720p.

It only took 5 mins to download and I was able to watch it while it was streaming.

:-)

Bgrngod

Yes, and it was 720p

I have normal DSL, nothing special.

Think the highest it ever clock was 10 megs.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="billing"]

I just downloaded Jackass 2 last night.

It was 5 gig 720p.

It only took 5 mins to download and I was able to watch it while it was streaming.

:-)

HuusAsking

As for the whole HD/BD argument, show me one of those that'll play seamlessly in my regular DVD player and cost no more than just over the standard DVD price, and you'll have a future convert. I am not switching over unless I can do it painlessly.

BTW, I insist on a physical medium. You can't show downloads to kids in a car. 

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="billing"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="billing"]

I just downloaded Jackass 2 last night.

It was 5 gig 720p.

It only took 5 mins to download and I was able to watch it while it was streaming.

:-)

billing

Yes, and it was 720p

I have normal DSL, nothing special.

Think the highest it ever clock was 10 megs.

[QUOTE="billing"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="billing"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="billing"]

I just downloaded Jackass 2 last night.

It was 5 gig 720p.

It only took 5 mins to download and I was able to watch it while it was streaming.

:-)

Bgrngod

Yes, and it was 720p

I have normal DSL, nothing special.

Think the highest it ever clock was 10 megs.

Well I guess I waited a lil over 5 mins,

My point was I didn't have to wait very long.

Edit: and that I didn't have to wait for the full duration of the DL to watch the movie.

I'm going to DL Saw III in 720p tonight,

We will see how that goes.