Console sales mean absolutely nothing... You fight for nothing....

Sales only matter if your console is first. Also that pic is horrible.

Zophar87

one guys says sales mean nothing and we get a horde of angry cows callimg him an xbot. do cows just get mad at everything people say these days? :lol:

KarateeeChop

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one guys says sales mean nothing and we get a horde of angry cows callimg him an xbot. do cows just get mad at everything people say these days? :lol:

BPoole96

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]They mean something and are pretty important. BUT to me, it really doesnt matter much and it really shouldnt be used as a tool for owange/claiming the game is better cuz it sold so many. TheEroica

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]They mean something and are pretty important. BUT to me, it really doesnt matter much and it really shouldnt be used as a tool for owange/claiming the game is better cuz it sold so many. Articuno76

sw stands for nothing really other than devoted fans trying to argue about things that are unnecessary and ridiculous.

does it matter what the company makes or how many hardware it sells....yes but not how sw argues it. the more your console sells and the more software sales the more the console gets support with exclusives. you think mass effect would have come to the ps3 if no one bought a ps3 or no one bought games for the ps3? no. so i wanted the ps3 to do well so i can get more games on the ps3 because i didn't own a 360 until last year. thats why fanboys should care about sales...so the consoles gets more quality content

does it matter that a game library has more a-aaa games? only if you own the game...if not, i can care less that the wonderbook or fable kinect got 10/10 cuz i'm not playing that game

let sw argue the way they want...its all for amusement anyway

It's hard to look at this as anything other than an extended damage control, despite a valid point being made. Hardware sales is tied to active users, adapt rates, consumer confidence (to buy), publisher/developer confidence (to develop for). To mention licensing fee, and use Call of Duty as an example, THEN not mention (timed) exclusivity buyouts also seems like turning a blind eye on the counter-arguments. Additionally, sensitive information like that is not something us typical gamers is privy to than the easily accessible sale figures.

Through my Roku box, I often watch Inside Gaming Daily, on the Machinima channel. It's pretty informative and thankfully not laced in Dorito's and Mountain Dew (if you catch my drift). Anyway, last week they announced that the PS3 had passed the Xbox in global shipped (as we so famously trolled eachother about), but then, as the clip goes on, host Adam Kovic shotgun blasts fanboys to the face with a rather simplified and logical prioritization of what really matters in the business of video games... my question to you, System Wars... Have we been doing it wrong?

The clip in question... It's short and right to the point, so watch it before you troll :P

TheEroica

The Wii was in a very unique situation. A system that sold lots of hardware with no games. That was because it geared toward casuals.

"cus the money is in the software people. Third party software to be exact."
True. Yet so very wrong.
What does it mean when the things that matter to the people are completely different from what makes the developers money?
It means your system of delivery and income SUCK. I don't think that this is made to last. Third party development teams will eventually become first party development teams, license fees for console makers will eventually drop, or consoles will eventually raise prises dramatically or disappear.
No, it is always better to have a succesful first party developer over a succesful third party developer for the long term. Going after third party is a mistake MS made this generation and it has put them in a bad position for the coming generation. The trick is of course, that being third party you can make a lot more money. So the first party almost have to be made from the ground up, and their reason would be more creative freedom than AAA companies. So it's a form of self restraint that makes more money in the end. I think Nintendo may be more or less forced to do the wisest thing.
If only they would embrace indie development more than Steam/MS/Sony. They should be less uptight about allowing new people in.

"cus the money is in the software people. Third party software to be exact."
True. Yet so very wrong.
What does it mean when the things that matter to the people are completely different from what makes the developers money?
It means your system of delivery and income SUCK. I don't think that this is made to last. Third party development teams will eventually become first party development teams, license fees for console makers will eventually drop, or consoles will eventually raise prises dramatically or disappear.
No, it is always better to have a succesful first party developer over a succesful third party developer for the long term. Going after third party is a mistake MS made this generation and it has put them in a bad position for the coming generation. The trick is of course, that being third party you can make a lot more money. So the first party almost have to be made from the ground up, and their reason would be more creative freedom than AAA companies. So it's a form of self restraint that makes more money in the end. I think Nintendo may be more or less forced to do the wisest thing.
If only they would embrace indie development more than Steam/MS/Sony. They should be less uptight about allowing new people in.

KungfuKitten

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

one guys says sales mean nothing and we get a horde of angry cows callimg him an xbot. do cows just get mad at everything people say these days? :lol:

BPoole96

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Bad sales means less support which means less games which means death.

Floppy_Jim

The Wii has tremendous sales and yet it lacks a lot of support. Didn't you watch the video?

But usually the system with the best sales gets the best support.

Holy sh!t that xray is brutal. I do not want to see what that actually looks like.

the_bi99man

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Holy sh!t that xray is brutal. I do not want to see what that actually looks like.

jessejay420

[QUOTE="jessejay420"]i wonder what happened to his hand? if i had to guess,i would say its the hand of a person who was caught cheating at a high stakes poker game.. A sledgehammer fixed his cheating. :?TheEroica

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[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="jessejay420"]i wonder what happened to his hand? if i had to guess,i would say its the hand of a person who was caught cheating at a high stakes poker game.. A sledgehammer fixed his cheating. :?the_bi99man

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[QUOTE="jessejay420"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Holy sh!t that xray is brutal. I do not want to see what that actually looks like.

TheEroica

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] I was thinking maybe a table saw incident. That hand looks cut to me.... oooh maybe like when a worker gets his hand chewed through an industrial machine.TheEroica

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But... finger tendons...

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

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the_bi99man

But... finger tendons...

"cuteCaptions.com" :lol: huh?!?!

Tons of people know this. We simply compare sales for the sake of simplicity.

The Wii proved sales don't mean anything other than showing that a Console won't dissapear. Other then that, they're irrelevant. The Wii sold amazingly well and all we got mostly was minigame collections and younger audience focused games. There were a few great gems there like No More Heroes, Muramasa, Monster Hunter, etc. But sales just made more casual stuff appear.