Are We Too Quick to Judge the Kinect?

[QUOTE="Gama_Forever"]

The hardcore gamer hates the Kinect. I don't own one. I never thought I'd be interested in it. However, Kinect 2.0 has me intrigued. Let me tell you why:

1. The Kinect will recognize you and your control scheme mid game without having to back out of the game or go to the menus. This is great for tournament play.

2. If you say something in-game during DR3, zombies will come after you. (Imagine a game like Assassin's Creed where you're in the corner and you can whistle someone over in real life to knife them).

3. It can take a full model of your dome-piece (head/face) in under a minute.

4. It can recognize slight turns of the wrist.

5. Quicker navigation

6. Skype integration

 

Gargus

Well kinect has been out for 3 years now. In those 3 years no one has been able to integrate it into any of 100+ games it has support for in any meangingful way. No one ever said "Oh man now I can say 'throw grenade' instead of having to push a button!" And it has had 3 years to make a game, any game that is kinect required that could be more than a pile of shit. The only games kinect has ever done anything with that was useful was dancing games. So if they cant do anything with it in 3 years how is a new version going to help?

1) How many gamers that will buy an xbox one with the kinect will take it to a tournament to set it up for the express purpose of not having to load their profile using the controller?

2) You could do that already with the current kinect, its simply just using the microphone. The wiiu, 3ds and vita all have built in microphones in them but no one really bothered with that as a selling point because its stupid.

3) I dont see how this is a feature or worth mentioning as a selling point.

4) See number 3.

5) As opposed to just using the controller that requires virtually no thought and is faster than swiping your arm through the air?

6) Skype is for video and audio chat. The kinect has no use in that really unless its to navigate a menu in which case see my response to 5.

That is just a really sad list of "features" that are supposed to convince people to use the kinect. You really were scraping the bottom of the barrel for those.

The problem with you, and many people on the internet, is that you refuse to believe that technology gets better. Sometimes people reiterate on things that were broken or rudimentary in the past. Once they reiterate on said thing, it makes said thing better to some degree. Examples of technology that can be bought by consumers include televisions, gaming devices, phones, tablets, etc. These technological marvels have improved over several years and many iterations. Technology can improve!

The hardcore gamer hates the Kinect. I don't own one. I never thought I'd be interested in it. However, Kinect 2.0 has me intrigued. Let me tell you why:

1. The Kinect will recognize you and your control scheme mid game without having to back out of the game or go to the menus. This is great for tournament play. 

2. If you say something in-game during DR3, zombies will come after you. (Imagine a game like Assassin's Creed where you're in the corner and you can whistle someone over in real life to knife them). 

3. It can take a full model of your dome-piece (head/face) in under a minute. 

4. It can recognize slight turns of the wrist. 

5. Quicker navigation

6. Skype integration

However, I'm also quite cautious. Not many games have utilized this Kinect. Many games are multiplatform releases so the Kinect funcitonality won't be there or will only play a small factor (voice recognition). Also, the whole NSA bit but let's be honest. Nobody cares about what you guys are doing on the Xbox. Nobody is really going to go out of their way to listen to some 11 year old privileged white kid trying to be MLG in COD, calling his opponents gay/racist slurs. But what perplexes me the most is the ability of developers to adapt to this new hardware. There will be a solid install base that would appeal to most first-party developers. Consider a third person RPG where you can control a character who looks just like you. You can literally walk around the world as yourself with armor on. Because essentially the Kinect can determine BMI and all that good stuff. It's not about what the Kinect was advertised as in the past. It's about what it is now and where it's going in the future. It had to be advertised as a gimmick because it was a gimmick on the 360. It didn't work that well. It was too expensive. 

I'm not going to sit here and do Microsoft's job. They're the ones who have to convince you all about the benefits of using the Kinect. However, I think that the internet never really thinks about much in a broader sense. I don't think people see the far-reaching implications about the first-party use of the Kinect. It could be a nice tool for the future. I do wish the console was cheaper though. Thanks for your time. Good day. 

Gama_Forever

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="HadOne2Many"] Choice is don't buy. I've already said that but you are refusing to acknowledge it.kingtito

That would be your opinion. One that is not shared by everyone.

You don't have to buy the XOne and that is the option he's talking about. Don't want Kinect, don't buy the XOne. Kinect is integrated into the XOne and it part of it. It is no longer an add on but something tells me you weren't getting an XOne anyway.

@rjdofu it's a part of the Operating System. To buy the X1 without the Kinect would be like buying an iPhone without iOS. Gama_Forever

No, it doesn't have a place in gaming.

Cyberdot

[QUOTE="Gama_Forever"]@rjdofu it's a part of the Operating System. To buy the X1 without the Kinect would be like buying an iPhone without iOS. rjdofu

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="Gama_Forever"]@rjdofu it's a part of the Operating System. To buy the X1 without the Kinect would be like buying an iPhone without iOS. Gama_Forever

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="rjdofu"] You do know it's not that simple. Lemme put it this way: people who buy the X1 are forced to pay extra money for an useless piece of hardware.rjdofu

That would be your opinion. One that is not shared by everyone.

You don't have to buy the XOne and that is the option he's talking about. Don't want Kinect, don't buy the XOne. Kinect is integrated into the XOne and it part of it. It is no longer an add on but something tells me you weren't getting an XOne anyway.

It's shared by the hardcore of fanboys. Real gamers would be intrigued by the possibilites.

Kinect is an integrated part of the Xbox now. It's not a seperate piece of hardware like it was with the 360. That would be like trying to remove the controller from the PS4.

This is no different that what Sony had done with DVD, BR and those expensive memory cards. They forced all of those on the users which increased the cost of those machines. You complain then?

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="kingtito"]

That would be your opinion. One that is not shared by everyone.

You don't have to buy the XOne and that is the option he's talking about. Don't want Kinect, don't buy the XOne. Kinect is integrated into the XOne and it part of it. It is no longer an add on but something tells me you weren't getting an XOne anyway.

kingtito

It's shared by the hardcore of fanboys. Real gamers would be intrigued by the possibilites.

Kinect is an integrated part of the Xbox now. It's not a seperate piece of hardware like it was with the 360. That would be like trying to remove the controller from the PS4.

This is no different that what Sony had done with DVD, BR and those expensive memory cards. They forced all of those on the users which increased the cost of those machines. You complain then?

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="kingtito"]

That would be your opinion. One that is not shared by everyone.

You don't have to buy the XOne and that is the option he's talking about. Don't want Kinect, don't buy the XOne. Kinect is integrated into the XOne and it part of it. It is no longer an add on but something tells me you weren't getting an XOne anyway.

kingtito

It's shared by the hardcore of fanboys. Real gamers would be intrigued by the possibilites.

Kinect is an integrated part of the Xbox now. It's not a seperate piece of hardware like it was with the 360. That would be like trying to remove the controller from the PS4.

This is no different that what Sony had done with DVD, BR and those expensive memory cards. They forced all of those on the users which increased the cost of those machines. You complain then?

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="rjdofu"] That is my opinion, obviously it's not shared by everyone, but I'm sure as hell it is shared by many. I'm well aware of his point, but it's never my point from the start. It was never about buying or not buying, my point was about the choice of buying the system with or without the Kinect(the reason has already been stated: games don't need Kinect to function). I won't getting an X1, and this is one of the reasons. rjdofu

It's shared by the hardcore of fanboys. Real gamers would be intrigued by the possibilites.

Kinect is an integrated part of the Xbox now. It's not a seperate piece of hardware like it was with the 360. That would be like trying to remove the controller from the PS4.

This is no different that what Sony had done with DVD, BR and those expensive memory cards. They forced all of those on the users which increased the cost of those machines. You complain then?

Yeah, you know, those people that don't swear allegiance to one gaming console and play on all systems. "Real gamers" you're obviously not one of them.

I like how you skipped everything else. You MUST be one of the blind fanboys I'm talking about.

The original Kinect sucked. Yes, i owned one, and quickly learned that it was garbage as a game input device. Kinect should have simply been sold as a Dance Central peripheral.

As for Kinect 2.0, who knows? MS has yet to show us any reason to believe it will play games any better than the first Kinect. Thats not a good sign.

This is no different that what Sony had done with DVD, BR and those expensive memory cards. They forced all of those on the users which increased the cost of those machines. You complain then?kingtito

Yeah, you know, those people that don't swear allegiance to one gaming console and play on all systems. "Real gamers" you're obviously not one of them.

I like how you skipped everything else. You MUST be one of the blind fanboys I'm talking about.

kingtito

The reason for the tepid, negative appeal is because its predecessor did not work as advertised, and there were no compelling titles for it. Many have the same expectation; will not work as advertised, nor will there be compelling titles for it.

The reason for the tepid, negative appeal is because its predecessor did not work as advertised, and there were no compelling titles for it. Many have the same expectation; will not work as advertised, nor will there be compelling titles for it.

shellcase86

[QUOTE="kingtito"]This is no different that what Sony had done with DVD, BR and those expensive memory cards. They forced all of those on the users which increased the cost of those machines. You complain then?rjdofu

You like throwing your opinions around as fact, don't you?

[QUOTE="kingtito"]Yeah, you know, those people that don't swear allegiance to one gaming console and play on all systems. "Real gamers" you're obviously not one of them.

I like how you skipped everything else. You MUST be one of the blind fanboys I'm talking about.

rjdofu

No point in going any further. Narrow minded point of views likes yours aren't worth debating.

They are not stupid enough to release another poor kinect, its a learning curve, as far as the tech demo's go it really looks as though this is the product they wish they released years ago.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="kingtito"]This is no different that what Sony had done with DVD, BR and those expensive memory cards. They forced all of those on the users which increased the cost of those machines. You complain then?kingtito

You like throwing your opinions around as fact, don't you?

And they got fvcked in the ass for that, totally deserved it. So?rjdofu

You like throwing your opinions around as fact, don't you?

You like throwing your opinions around as fact, don't you?

You like throwing your opinions around as fact, don't you?

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="rjdofu"] lol what are you even trying to argue here? Did you think I'm a Sony fanboy? Yeah I just said Sony was shit and so does the Vita with their expensive memory cards (and btw, fact, Vita is a failure) and the PS3 with its shitty ass pricing. Son, I'm anything but a fanboy.Gama_Forever

No Kinect sucks.

NathanDrakeSwag

[QUOTE="Gama_Forever"][QUOTE="kingtito"] Son? I bet I have kids older than you. Anyway you may or may not be a Sony fanboy but you're sure sounding like one now.rjdofu

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="Gama_Forever"] He's sounding more like that suburban 11 year old white kid who screams racial slurs on XBL/PSN. He seems to just like to complain period. However, this really detracts from the overall purpose of the topic I've created, which has gotten a resounding "yes" from most people on here. kingtito

yes way too quick to judge, if it dies like alot of cows say like nathandrake, that mean the NUI will die off and we will go back to standard controllers and motion controls will be halted.   Maybe sony will do some really cool camera that is basically inferior to Kinect 1.0 and by alot.  

I think that Kinect will be something this gen that you wont fully see its value until you use it, and see how it interacts, and see what it tells you.   Casuals will flock to Kinect 2.0, North America isnt going to Sony I still contend.

Dose it have a sasha grey sex game? LOL

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="rjdofu"] You can't even hold a conversation with me, don't talk shit like that. And yeah: http://au.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29426841/microsoft-officially-denies-kinect-less-xbox-one-report?page=0#msg_35 Get out of your bubble and learn to acknowledge other people opinion. And don't your fvcking dare say they are not "real gamers". Bunch of hypocrite fvcks.rjdofu

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="kingtito"] You sound angry. You mad?kingtito

Give it a few years and we'll see if it goes beyond a flawed gimmick.

im not sold on the kinect but im also not writing it off.

Im interested to see if it can justify its cost.

Give it a few years and we'll see if it goes beyond a flawed gimmick.

dommeus

gonna be interesting to see what self publishers do with this.

We aren't "quick" to judge it, it had a bunch of years to prove itself and it failed... now the climb is steeper and having only tech demos for the kinect showed (so far) and no games doesn't help it either...

I do not like motion controlls. I did not like them on the Wii, and I did not like them on Kintect 1.0. This time will be no different.

It's cool tech and could be used for cool little features but I still think it's limited gaming wise. I'm waiting to be proven wrong but I don't think that will happen anytime soon.

The issue isn't whether Kinect is good or bad, the issue is that customers are forced to buy it if they buy an Xbox One.

As usual Microsuck isn't accustomed to giving customers a choice, other than "don't buy our stuff."

A few days ago I heard their stock was crashing and I felt bad.

Now I honestly hope they go out of business and make room for another company that is more consumer-friendly.

Dude it's been out for like 4 years and they still haven't found a way to implement it into core titles that amounts to anything more than cheap gimmick. It's a failure of a peripheral and only exists due to the Wii's success. It wasn't very well thought out. Smartglass does everything it does better, and it's less cumbersome. Does the Kinect really bring $150 worth of benefits to the system? No, not really. AAllxxjjnn

first of all you are comparing last gens kinect to this gens kinect, so lets not say 4 years, this Kinect is far more powerful. IT has its own dedicated OS, it has an onboard processor, its IR is drastically improved to work in pitch black, it can detect your fingertip sitting down on the couch 10 feet away and it has your full view of you from toe to your hands stretched in the air as close as 1 foot. and now indies and anyone who buys an xbox one will have access to make games for that piece of futuristic tech. Cant compare.... get xbox one do yourself a favor.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Dude it's been out for like 4 years and they still haven't found a way to implement it into core titles that amounts to anything more than cheap gimmick. It's a failure of a peripheral and only exists due to the Wii's success. It wasn't very well thought out. Smartglass does everything it does better, and it's less cumbersome. Does the Kinect really bring $150 worth of benefits to the system? No, not really. XBOunity

first of all you are comparing last gens kinect to this gens kinect, so lets not say 4 years, this Kinect is far more powerful. IT has its own dedicated OS, it has an onboard processor, its IR is drastically improved to work in pitch black, it can detect your fingertip sitting down on the couch 10 feet away and it has your full view of you from toe to your hands stretched in the air as close as 1 foot. and now indies and anyone who buys an xbox one will have access to make games for that piece of futuristic tech. Cant compare.... get xbox one do yourself a favor.

I haven't seen the Kinect getting its tracking demonstrated in poor lighting conditions. Nor have I seen it stably track fingertips at longer distances. However I have seen how close you can get while still having the person's whole body in view. 30cm? No. Three times that distance? Maybe.

System Wars judges everything without any knowledge or experience.

Bigboi500

And with surefire confidence. 

The issue isn't whether Kinect is good or bad, the issue is that customers are forced to buy it if they buy an Xbox One.

As usual Microsuck isn't accustomed to giving customers a choice, other than "don't buy our stuff."

A few days ago I heard their stock was crashing and I felt bad.

Now I honestly hope they go out of business and make room for another company that is more consumer-friendly.

LazySloth718

Your not forced to buy Kinect. Its part of the Xbox One system. People need to stop thinking of Kinect as an add on this generation, because its not. And MS is not going out of business.