Are PC graphics really that superior to the HD consoles?

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#1 Wii4Fun
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Graphics on the HD consoles look stunning. I'm not hardware buff, but it seems like they are close to the peak of where graphics can go. I mean, graphics have to reach a plateau at some point right?

Even with my ignorance of hardware, i know that PC hardware is superior to consoles' yet still, the graphics seem almost equal to me.

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PC version (Crysis 2)

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This console gen was very focused on graphics because of how big the graphical jump of consoles were.

But are graphics near to their peak?

If so, will future gens (maybe even next gen) be less focused on graphics?

Do you think we from now on graphics will only progress slightly?

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#2 organic_machine
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Yes. PC graphics really are. Especially with tesselation.

And no, graphics are not even close to peaking. Not even in the same ballpark yet.

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#3 BPoole96
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They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

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#4 kate_jones
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pc will be running the games in higher resolution, with way faster framerate, no jaggies and higher res textures for a start.

im satisfied with my consoles graphics, but when you play the same game on a nice pc you can really see how much better they are, mass effect 1 is a great example, so much better on pc

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Isn't that literally THE SAME image? Websites like gamespot often do that on multi-plats you know. Use the same images across all platforms.Actually EA probably wants you to think the consoles look that good too, so they will probably try to use the PC version running on max in all their marketing materials (including screenshots). There will definitely be differences between consoles and PC. It's usually not "huge" as some make it out as it's still going to be the same game, but the HD console are typically limited to having the games 720P "native", have worse textures than what is available on PC, and sometimes have issues like screen tearing and framerate problems. It's the last two that are most annoying to me because there is no way for a user to "tweak" performance out of a console. It's up to the developers to optimize it.

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#6 gaming25
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TC, you have asked the wrong question to SW. 99 percent of people out of SW would agree with you. Before SW, I didnt even know or care to know about what "jaggies" or "framerate" meant (and I still dont).
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#7 AmazingGaming
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There are big differences. I think console games can compete when the the games are very linear tho.
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#8 ChubbyGuy40
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Those pictures...do nothing. Not in-game shots and we don't know which platform they're from. Also, the next step in graphics is ray-tracing so we are not done yet.

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#9 gaming25
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They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

BPoole96
No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.
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#10 deactivated-59f03d6ce656b
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

gaming25
No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.

Crysis, crysis warhead, arma 2, metro 2033, modded stalker the list goes on.
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#11 ChubbyGuy40
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

gaming25

No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.

Arma 2, The Witcher 2, Metro 2033, Mafia 2, Cryostasis....there's plenty. We also get the better looking multiplats.

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#12 gaming25
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.

Crysis, crysis warhead, arma 2, metro 2033, modded stalker the list goes on.

"The list goes on" No it doesnt. Not only that, but my point was that Crysis is the only "clear" thing that is over consoles that PC gamers claim.
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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

Person0

No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.

Crysis, crysis warhead, arma 2, metro 2033, modded stalker the list goes on.

Arma 2 and and stalker are highly overrated .. not to mention stalker looks like crap without mods and that list is increadabliy small. The leap between pc visuals and console visuals is not near as big as people want to make it out to be. The hardware is more powerful but were not ready to release a next console as the average person wouldnt see a reason to buy one yet with todays current technology. I get a kick when people start talking about AA , Resolution and framerates . The things you will probably see on the PS4 probably wouldnt run at 20 fps on a high end single gpu of today.

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You just post the same blueshot twice.

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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

Person0

No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.

Crysis, crysis warhead, arma 2, metro 2033, modded stalker the list goes on.

Out of those only Crysis/Warhead is a big jump. I was just playing STALKER CoP maxed out and it looked worse compared to Uncharted 2 and God of War 3. All these guys saying Arma 2 are ctazy. i didn't think it was all that. Still gotta play Metro on PC though i can't comment on that game.

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To me, the visual differences between consoles and PC are nearly indecernible. When you are looking at screenshots, perhaps you can nit pickhere and there but when you're actually playing the game, it isn't a huge difference.

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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.

Crysis is all you need to stifle in any "consoles and pcs are equal" arguments. Talking about other games would be overkill.
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#18 gaming25
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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

ChubbyGuy40

No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.

Arma 2, The Witcher 2, Metro 2033, Mafia 2, Cryostasis....there's plenty. We also get the better looking multiplats.

I think the question is if the difference is "drastic" which it isnt. All of these are HD games, point blank.

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="gaming25"] No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.xOMGITSJASONx

Crysis, crysis warhead, arma 2, metro 2033, modded stalker the list goes on.

Out of those only Crysis/Warhead is a big jump. I was just playing STALKER CoP maxed out and it looked like worse compared to Uncharted 2 and God of War 3. All these guys saying Arma 2 are ctazy. i didn't think it was all that. Still gotta play Metro on PC though i can't comment on that game.

I said modded stalker. Also ARMA 2 has amazing graphics with an amazing scale. Hundreds of people fighting at the same time is amazing. Napoleon and shogun total war 2 are also amazing looking games.
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#20 gaming25
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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

Silverbond
No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.

Crysis is all you need to stifle in any "consoles and pcs are equal" arguments. Talking about other games would be overkill.

Actually it doesnt "stifle" anything since many people still compare it to other games.
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Well, i put it this way, they are better but not as good as people make them to be. The truth is that those console games ported to pc are designed to work well on consoles and they spend alot of money to do it. The pc version is always a meh port that does not do the pc version justice...and i use the word ALWAYS because, lets be serious, you cant have hardware that are years now superior to the console hardware and not obliterate the console game and run it on maximum no matter what. So there are 2 explanations, either the pc hardware are not as powerfull as they claim to be in comparison to consoles or thet just dont port them well. Anyway in the end, it depends on the game. Saits row 2 looks and runs like crap while batman AA looks amazing and perfoms amazing. Now regarding pc exclusives and their graphics? I would say that only crytek made a game that truly uses pc hardware efficiently. Everyone else? Meh not so much, bad optimization. Point is not everyone can do amazing graphics. The pc offers more "juice" but if someone is a console game developer, dont expect much. Most games nowadays are console focused thus pc versions are heavilly impacted by console limitations. But there is also the fact that not everyone is a high end dev studio that knows how to do their job right. If you take a look in the past with games like hl2 and doom 3 and far cry and fear and how superior they look in comparison with console games at their time you will see how high the diffirence is. Latelly? Its only crysis and arma 2 which suprsingly they still look better than everything else currently on consoles. Oh well you can add the pc version of metro 2033 too.
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

gaming25
No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.

there are games that are brought up for the graphical levels that are on the pc, metro 2033, one of the stalker games, ive seen people bring up mirrors edge, just cause 2, there are a lot of games that really look impressive on the pc, but when you can just end a conversation by saying "crysis" then most people will do just that, some people will argue that since games like metro and just cause 2 are on consoles that the differences are minimal but if you actually see them then youd probably disagree
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="gaming25"] No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.TheSterls

Crysis, crysis warhead, arma 2, metro 2033, modded stalker the list goes on.

Arma 2 and and stalker are highly overrated .. not to mention stalker looks like crap without mods and that list is increadabliy small. The leap between pc visuals and console visuals is not near as big as people want to make it out to be. The hardware is more powerful but were not ready to release a next console as the average person wouldnt see a reason to buy one yet with todays current technology. I get a kick when people start talking about AA , Resolution and framerates . The things you will probably see on the PS4 probably wouldnt run at 20 fps on a high end single gpu of today.

I agree, hermits overrate PC graphics on system wars.. Only real big hitter was/is Crysis rather they like it or not. I played all the other PC games so they can't lie to me lol. Is it me or does STALKER CoP look WORSE than CS?

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

gaming25

No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.

Every multiplat looks significantly better on PC and games like Metro 2033, Just Cause 2, Mirror's Edge, Medal of Honor as well as many others are miles better than their console counterparts

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="gaming25"] No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.TheSterls

Crysis, crysis warhead, arma 2, metro 2033, modded stalker the list goes on.

Arma 2 and and stalker are highly overrated .. not to mention stalker looks like crap without mods and that list is increadabliy small. The leap between pc visuals and console visuals is not near as big as people want to make it out to be. The hardware is more powerful but were not ready to release a next console as the average person wouldnt see a reason to buy one yet with todays current technology. I get a kick when people start talking about AA , Resolution and framerates . The things you will probably see on the PS4 probably wouldnt run at 20 fps on a high end single gpu of today.

You've played those games to make a opinion about them right?

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#26 Mystic-G
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TC, you used the same exact screenshot for your post. Pixel for pixel.

And yes it makes a huge difference.

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="gaming25"] No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.TheSterls

Crysis, crysis warhead, arma 2, metro 2033, modded stalker the list goes on.

Arma 2 and metor and stalker are highly overrated .. and that list is increadabliy small. The leap between pc visuals and console visuals is not near as big as people want to make it out to be. The hardware is more powerful but were not ready to release a next console as the average person wouldnt see a reason to buy one yet with todays current technology. I get a kick when people start talking about AA , Resolution and framerates . The things you will probably see on the PS4 probably wouldnt run at 20 fps on a high end single gpu of today.

I won't go image linking to be nice to people, I'll just post the real link to the pictures.

http://exophase.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Metro2033-2010-03-16-19-41-47-402.jpg

http://exophase.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Metro2033-2010-03-16-15-10-03-422.jpg

You don't get this on consoles.

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[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"][QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.

there are games that are brought up for the graphical levels that are on the pc, metro 2033, one of the stalker games, ive seen people bring up mirrors edge, just cause 2, there are a lot of games that really look impressive on the pc, but when you can just end a conversation by saying "crysis" then most people will do just that, some people will argue that since games like metro and just cause 2 are on consoles that the differences are minimal but if you actually see them then youd probably disagree

I have, and I do disagree. The difference isnt real drastic.
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Crysis, crysis warhead, arma 2, metro 2033, modded stalker the list goes on.Person0

Arma 2 and metor and stalker are highly overrated .. and that list is increadabliy small. The leap between pc visuals and console visuals is not near as big as people want to make it out to be. The hardware is more powerful but were not ready to release a next console as the average person wouldnt see a reason to buy one yet with todays current technology. I get a kick when people start talking about AA , Resolution and framerates . The things you will probably see on the PS4 probably wouldnt run at 20 fps on a high end single gpu of today.

I won't go image linking to be nice to people, I'll just post the real link to the pictures.

http://exophase.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Metro2033-2010-03-16-19-41-47-402.jpg

http://exophase.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Metro2033-2010-03-16-15-10-03-422.jpg

You don't get this on consoles.

The debate of which graphics look better isnt the point of this thread.
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="gaming25"] No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.TheSterls

Crysis, crysis warhead, arma 2, metro 2033, modded stalker the list goes on.

Arma 2 and and stalker are highly overrated .. not to mention stalker looks like crap without mods and that list is increadabliy small. The leap between pc visuals and console visuals is not near as big as people want to make it out to be. The hardware is more powerful but were not ready to release a next console as the average person wouldnt see a reason to buy one yet with todays current technology. I get a kick when people start talking about AA , Resolution and framerates . The things you will probably see on the PS4 probably wouldnt run at 20 fps on a high end single gpu of today.

Show me this on consoles.

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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Arma 2 and metor and stalker are highly overrated .. and that list is increadabliy small. The leap between pc visuals and console visuals is not near as big as people want to make it out to be. The hardware is more powerful but were not ready to release a next console as the average person wouldnt see a reason to buy one yet with todays current technology. I get a kick when people start talking about AA , Resolution and framerates . The things you will probably see on the PS4 probably wouldnt run at 20 fps on a high end single gpu of today.

gaming25

I won't go image linking to be nice to people, I'll just post the real link to the pictures.

http://exophase.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Metro2033-2010-03-16-19-41-47-402.jpg

http://exophase.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Metro2033-2010-03-16-15-10-03-422.jpg

You don't get this on consoles.

The debate of which graphics look better isnt the point of this thread.

Is it about what technologies are superior? PC. As I said, ray-tracing is the next step. PC is moving onto DirectX 11 also.

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[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Arma 2 and and stalker are highly overrated .. not to mention stalker looks like crap without mods and that list is increadabliy small. The leap between pc visuals and console visuals is not near as big as people want to make it out to be. The hardware is more powerful but were not ready to release a next console as the average person wouldnt see a reason to buy one yet with todays current technology. I get a kick when people start talking about AA , Resolution and framerates . The things you will probably see on the PS4 probably wouldnt run at 20 fps on a high end single gpu of today.

gaming25

Show me this on consoles.

Is that a joke, those look terrible.

Show us something on consoles that looks better then please.

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#35 AmazingGaming
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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

I won't go image linking to be nice to people, I'll just post the real link to the pictures.

http://exophase.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Metro2033-2010-03-16-19-41-47-402.jpg

http://exophase.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Metro2033-2010-03-16-15-10-03-422.jpg

You don't get this on consoles.

ChubbyGuy40

The debate of which graphics look better isnt the point of this thread.

Is it about what technologies are superior? PC. As I said, ray-tracing is the next step. PC is moving onto DirectX 11 also.

Why? DirectX 10 was barely used.
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#36 gaming25
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Person0"] Show me this on consoles.

Is that a joke, those look terrible.

Show us something on consoles that looks better then please.

Umm, did you see those pics? The resolution on them were terrible,
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[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Arma 2 and and stalker are highly overrated .. not to mention stalker looks like crap without mods and that list is increadabliy small. The leap between pc visuals and console visuals is not near as big as people want to make it out to be. The hardware is more powerful but were not ready to release a next console as the average person wouldnt see a reason to buy one yet with todays current technology. I get a kick when people start talking about AA , Resolution and framerates . The things you will probably see on the PS4 probably wouldnt run at 20 fps on a high end single gpu of today.

gaming25

Show me this on consoles.

Is that a joke, those dont look that impressive.

Erm.....ok then.

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[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Arma 2 and and stalker are highly overrated .. not to mention stalker looks like crap without mods and that list is increadabliy small. The leap between pc visuals and console visuals is not near as big as people want to make it out to be. The hardware is more powerful but were not ready to release a next console as the average person wouldnt see a reason to buy one yet with todays current technology. I get a kick when people start talking about AA , Resolution and framerates . The things you will probably see on the PS4 probably wouldnt run at 20 fps on a high end single gpu of today.

gaming25

Show me this on consoles.

Is that a joke, those dont look that impressive.

You must never be impressed by any console games then.

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#39 ChubbyGuy40
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] Is that a joke, those look terrible.gaming25

Show us something on consoles that looks better then please.

Umm, did you see those pics? The resolution on them were terrible,

Did you see my Metro 2033 pictures? Do you understand why I didn't link them straight to the forum? The pictures are massive.

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#41 stiggy321
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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

They actually are that much more superior. It's not even really debatable

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No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.

Arma 2, The Witcher 2, Metro 2033, Mafia 2, Cryostasis....there's plenty. We also get the better looking multiplats.

3 of those games are multiplats. You pay twice as much for a better resolution... that's all. You pay 4 times as much for the best resolution and 90 fps.
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#43 hoola
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All it takes is one game to prove that PC graphics are superior to console graphics, but there are several.

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#44 Mystic-G
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.stiggy321

Arma 2, The Witcher 2, Metro 2033, Mafia 2, Cryostasis....there's plenty. We also get the better looking multiplats.

3 of those games are multiplats. You pay twice as much for a better resolution... that's all. You pay 4 times as much for the best resolution and 90 fps.

No... you pay twice as much to have a gaming platform and a computer in one. Isn't that what console gamers spend anyway, only difference is it's seperate.

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#45 Ikuto_Tsukiyomi
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You still haven't told me what game this is. It looks stunning!

Wii4Fun

I think Its Arma2, but either way it looks very nice.

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#46 Arach666
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] No it isnt. Thats the myth about PC. If it was, then there would be more than Crysis being talked about from PC gamers to debate the consoles.stiggy321

Arma 2, The Witcher 2, Metro 2033, Mafia 2, Cryostasis....there's plenty. We also get the better looking multiplats.

3 of those games are multiplats. You pay twice as much for a better resolution... that's all. You pay 4 times as much for the best resolution and 90 fps.

Three? I only see Metro 2033 and Mafia 2.
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[QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

You still haven't told me what game this is. It looks stunning!

Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

I think Its Arma2, but either way it looks very nice.

yeah, Arma 2 and operation arrowhead.
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#48 15strong
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Let me put it in simple terms:

No.

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#50 rpgs_shall_rule
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http://exophase.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Metro2033-2010-03-16-19-41-47-402.jpg

ChubbyGuy40

O.o What's with the really wierd blurring?

Also, on topic: PC graphics look amazing compared to the consoles...