Any games where America is the bad guy?

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#1 Salt_The_Fries
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Apart from Spec Ops The Line, I cannot think of many recent ones.

I think GTA and Max Payne toyed with American cliches. Probably old Fallout games, but the new ones too.

Anything else comes to your mind?

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#2  Edited By jg4xchamp
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Not the bad guy and maybe not intentional, but the Killzone games are basically more about how the imperialists are douchebags, because half the time I'm rooting for a Helghan to just kill Rico.Honest answer, before it jumped the shark, Call of Duty 4's America wasn't "bad", but they were more or less dick heads that get nuked for their hubris. Also Spec Ops wasn't really America as the bad guy, as much as it was shitting on modern shooters/and the players of modern military shooters and how it's all false hero fantasy crap.

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I wish there was, but there would be a protest if the American military was made to look evil in a real world style, not futuristic etc. I like the idea though.

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No, that's way too fictional of a premise to create a game. America the bad guy? HAHAHAHA!

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@jg4xchamp said:

Not the bad guy and maybe not intentional, but the Killzone games are basically more about how the imperialists are douchebags, because half the time I'm rooting for a Helghan to just kill Rico.Honest answer, before it jumped the shark, Call of Duty 4's America wasn't "bad", but they were more or less dick heads that get nuked for their hubris. Also Spec Ops wasn't really America as the bad guy, as much as it was shitting on modern shooters/and the players of modern military shooters and how it's all false hero fantasy crap.

Rico was a tutored, misunderstood soul. It's a shame more people didn't get the depth and complexity he added to the series,

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Civilization, whenever I play. Thankfully the English Empire is the only one left standing by the end.

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#7 Frank_Castle
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Why do you hate America?

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#8 musicalmac  Moderator
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Any game with evil government agents, right? There are boatloads of them.

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#9  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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That's an interesting question, and I honestly can't think of many examples, no.

The closest we have come to is American capitalism or corporations being villains, but that's about it.

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#10 Blabadon
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Spec Ops The Line was my first thought.

I guess Counter Spy

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#11 bunchanumbers
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America is awesome. They are never the bad guy.

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Would be nice to have one. Something different for a change. And there is no good or bad in politics (in real world). Saying that "we good, they bad" is pretty childish.

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#13 -God-
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any anti-terroism game. The terrorists are freedom fighters America is the evil empire.

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#14 Gue1
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@bunchanumbers said:

America is awesome. They are never the bad guy.

they never kill innocent people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponce_massacre

I know you're being sarcastic BTW

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Metal Gear Rising, you face off against cyborg mercenaries of an american corporation and even go at it with a US Senator

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1. Battle Stations Battle of Midway on x360 and Im pretty sure the follow up you could play as the Japanese.

2. FIFA Series, pretty much a villain when picking the USA.

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#18  Edited By jg4xchamp
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@roler42 said:

Metal Gear Rising, you face off against cyborg mercenaries of an american corporation and even go at it with a US Senator

What? No way, Senator Armstrong was the hero of that story.

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Does playing as OpFor count?

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#20 The_Stand_In
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Insurgency, if playing on the insurgent team.

Also, Battlefield 3's campaign came pretty close if you think about it. Homeland Security detains the protagonist who has information about nukes, but they don't believe him. Then, at the very end, he escapes and stops a nuke from destroying NYC after Paris already got nuked by terrorists who framed Russia and incited WW3 with NATO (Americans for all intents and purposes) as the aggressors. A bit of stretch, but whatever.

And in Splinter Cell Conviction, the VP tries a coup (if i remember right) and turns America's forces against Sam Fisher, essentially making them the bad guys at that point in time.

In Modern Warfare 2 you kill American soldiers in order to get to and stop the renegade general.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

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I could only imagine the field day someone like Fox News would have if there was a game that had the US as the bad guys and you could "kill" Americans...

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#22  Edited By Jag85
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Metal Gear series.

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#23 freedomfreak
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Hardly.

Also, this thread could go wrong fast.

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#24 R10nu
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Hitman series.

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#26 ni6htmare01
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Metal Gear Solid series (In a way)

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#27  Edited By Shewgenja
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@musicalmac said:

Any game with evil government agents, right? There are boatloads of them.

But even then, they are usually just "rogue agents" who are being led by someone either outside of the government or a lackey within the Pentagon/Congressman.

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#28 mems_1224
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Like real life, America is never the bad guy. We are the embodiment of freedom and all that is good in the world.

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#29 Shewgenja
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@mems_1224 said:

Like real life, America is never the bad guy. We are the embodiment of freedom and all that is good in the world.

Then explain Kanye West.

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@-God- said:

any anti-terroism game. The terrorists are freedom fighters America is the evil empire.

Sniper, is that you?

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#31 mems_1224
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@Shewgenja: What's to explain about one of the greatest musicians of our generation?

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It's hard to make the US the bad guy when the military might of the US is so lopsided. It already takes a hilarious amount of fiction just to build up another nation or power in the world that can somehow contend with the US. It's kind of a logistics thing.

Also, one of the primary markets for games is the US, so it's hard to pain the entirety of the nation as the badguy and somehow still receive commercial success in the US market.

Generally you don't see democracies as the "evil" power in any game. That's why we don't see the British as the badguys in any game either. It's hard to paint a democracy as an evil entity. It's a lot easier to point fingers at dictatorships.

Lots of factors I guess.

I would love to play a WWII game from the German perspective in early WWII. Could be a lot of fun.

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@frank_castle said:

Why do you hate America?

Oh no we don't hate the continent

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#34 -God-
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@Wasdie said:

I would love to play a WWII game from the German perspective in early WWII. Could be a lot of fun.

wow...anti-Semite mucH?

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@jhonMalcovich said:
@frank_castle said:

Why do you hate America?

Oh no we don't hate the continent

That doesn't make sense

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#36  Edited By inggrish
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I can't think of many where the Americans are the villains unless:

-the protagonist is also American

-the Americans are a sub enemy (under control of, or not of their own mind)

-just an evil organisation who happen to be American.

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#37  Edited By jhonMalcovich
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@lostrib said:
@jhonMalcovich said:
@frank_castle said:

Why do you hate America?

Oh no we don't hate the continent

That doesn't make sense

Then educate yourself a bit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

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#38  Edited By the_master_race
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@Salt_The_Fries: Bioshock infinite it openly mocked american exceptionalism

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#39  Edited By deactivated-583e460ca986b
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FIFA

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Command & Conquer Generals GLA Campaign.

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#41 lostrib
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@jhonMalcovich said:
@lostrib said:
@jhonMalcovich said:
@frank_castle said:

Why do you hate America?

Oh no we don't hate the continent

That doesn't make sense

Then educate yourself a bit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

perhaps you should educate yourself a bit

The Americas aren't a continent: "combined continental landmasses of North America and South America"

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@lostrib said:
@jhonMalcovich said:
@lostrib said:
@jhonMalcovich said:
@frank_castle said:

Why do you hate America?

Oh no we don't hate the continent

That doesn't make sense

Then educate yourself a bit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

perhaps you should educate yourself a bit

The Americas aren't a continent: "combined continental landmasses of North America and South America"

Facepalm. But both South and North America are continents. Lol.

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#43  Edited By uninspiredcup  Online
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In all forms of media, propaganda has been put out that Americans are hero in order to stop them liking Russia and see them as the rightful rulers of the world.

Even fantastical worlds like The Witcher 3 will use American accents for the promninant heroes, in order to perpetuate this conditioning.

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#44  Edited By Megane
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Assassin's Creed III ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) b

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#45 jhonMalcovich
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But I have a harder question

Any games where Russia is the good guy?

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@jhonMalcovich said:
@lostrib said:
@jhonMalcovich said:

Then educate yourself a bit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

perhaps you should educate yourself a bit

The Americas aren't a continent: "combined continental landmasses of North America and South America"

Facepalm. But both South and North America are continents. Lol.

Which isn't what you said

@jhonMalcovich said:
@frank_castle said:

Why do you hate America?

Oh no we don't hate the continent

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#47  Edited By jhonMalcovich
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@lostrib said:
@jhonMalcovich said:
@lostrib said:
@jhonMalcovich said:

Then educate yourself a bit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

perhaps you should educate yourself a bit

The Americas aren't a continent: "combined continental landmasses of North America and South America"

Facepalm. But both South and North America are continents. Lol.

Which isn't what you said

@jhonMalcovich said:
@frank_castle said:

Why do you hate America?

Oh no we don't hate the continent

My gosh, lostrib, f*ck off.

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@jhonMalcovich said:
@lostrib said:
@jhonMalcovich said:
@lostrib said:
@jhonMalcovich said:

Then educate yourself a bit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

perhaps you should educate yourself a bit

The Americas aren't a continent: "combined continental landmasses of North America and South America"

Facepalm. But both South and North America are continents. Lol.

Which isn't what you said

@jhonMalcovich said:
@frank_castle said:

Why do you hate America?

Oh no we don't hate the continent

My gosh, lostrib, f*ck off.

If you hadn't felt the need to be such a jackass about it, none of this would have happened

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#49  Edited By jhonMalcovich
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@lostrib said:
@jhonMalcovich said:
@lostrib said:
@jhonMalcovich said:
@lostrib said:
@jhonMalcovich said:

Then educate yourself a bit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

perhaps you should educate yourself a bit

The Americas aren't a continent: "combined continental landmasses of North America and South America"

Facepalm. But both South and North America are continents. Lol.

Which isn't what you said

@jhonMalcovich said:
@frank_castle said:

Why do you hate America?

Oh no we don't hate the continent

My gosh, lostrib, f*ck off.

If you hadn't felt the need to be such a jackass about it, none of this would have happened

Whichever America he meant is a continent, therefore what I had said is applicable. Besides America basically can be considered as a continent by itself formed by two sub-continents. In spanish wikipedia, it's even defined as a single continent. Sometimes you need to stop arguing over nothing.

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#50  Edited By deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
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@Wasdie: If i remember rightly AC3 didn't exactly paint the British in a good light. Bar that you do get some very stereotypical British bad guys like in Uncharted 3 so we do get thrown in there sometimes. A bit like in movies really.

@hrt_rulz01 said:

I could only imagine the field day someone like Fox News would have if there was a game that had the US as the bad guys and you could "kill" Americans...

It did happen with Medal of Honour Warfighter, it was leaked that they'd call one of the sides in the online modes the Taliban and it got caught up by the press here in the UK pretty quick. Of course they caved and the Taliban were renamed "Opposition Forces".

If there was a story painting the US as an oppressor they'd have a shit fit i reckon.