An analysis of the state of PC-gaming. Pretty good read!

robflores370

Burning Crusade has sold around that much by now, and not all that 8.1 million bought it for online .... your kidding youself.

The xbox 360 has a user base of about 17 million, and the PC has about 200 million according to most of you hermits....if that is true 8.1 million on the PC is not that impressive

Just like a console fanboy..... they always downplay PC advantages..... downplaying mods, graphics, controls, now this?

i am sure you are going to tell me how my figures are wrong. 13 million thats from valve, and 35million subscribers well thats off the original poster who got it off mmogdata website.

and can you give us the link for the halo 3 selling 8.1 million copies. however still not as good as 9million active subscribers to world of warcraft is it. thats what around $90million a month revenue, i am sure blizzard wish they made games only for the consoles :)

crozon

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/news.html?sid=6184291&om_act=convert&om_clk=gsupdates&tag=updates;title;7

i am sure you are going to tell me how my figures are wrong. 13 million thats from valve, and 35million subscribers well thats off the original poster who got it off mmogdata website.

and can you give us the link for the halo 3 selling 8.1 million copies. however still not as good as 9million active subscribers to world of warcraft is it. thats what around $90million a month revenue, i am sure blizzard wish they made games only for the consoles :)

crozon

here you go

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6184291.html?tag=result;title;1

[QUOTE="crozon"]

i am sure you are going to tell me how my figures are wrong. 13 million thats from valve, and 35million subscribers well thats off the original poster who got it off mmogdata website.

and can you give us the link for the halo 3 selling 8.1 million copies. however still not as good as 9million active subscribers to world of warcraft is it. thats what around $90million a month revenue, i am sure blizzard wish they made games only for the consoles :)

Truffle-Shuffle

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/news.html?sid=6184291&om_act=convert&om_clk=gsupdates&tag=updates;title;7

Please just get off this topic. We dont care what you have to prove.

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

aliblabla2007

Burning Crusade has sold around that much by now, and not all that 8.1 million bought it for online .... your kidding youself.

The xbox 360 has a user base of about 17 million, and the PC has about 200 million according to most of you hermits....if that is true 8.1 million on the PC is not that impressive

Just like a console fanboy..... they always downplay PC advantages..... downplaying mods, graphics, controls, now this?

and just like an elitist hermit to deny the obvious and ignore the disadvantages

You're just an ignorant lemming fanboy.... the group with the most hypocrisy in SW.

Does it matter if they are playing it online? 8.1 million copies is a lot and how many people are playing WoW online since it's only a online game?

Truffle-Shuffle

1. WoW sold 9.5 mil. 9.5 > 8.1 Last I checked.

Keep lying to yourself that PC gaming isn't getting smashed

Truffle-Shuffle

2. PC Gaming has had more members than before, not less.

and in time MMORPGs will be on consoles and most likely be more fun

Truffle-Shuffle

3. Complete speculation and fanboy BS

Why would anyone have to even buy Wow when they can download it and sign up for 15 bucks a month to play that generic game?

Truffle-Shuffle

4. I suppose if an AAA game with 9.5 mil copies sold is generic, then Mass Effect, a flop with less than half that amount must be a piece of animal crap.

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

robflores370

Burning Crusade has sold around that much by now, and not all that 8.1 million bought it for online .... your kidding youself.

The xbox 360 has a user base of about 17 million, and the PC has about 200 million according to most of you hermits....if that is true 8.1 million on the PC is not that impressive

Just like a console fanboy..... they always downplay PC advantages..... downplaying mods, graphics, controls, now this?

and just like an elitist hermit to deny the obvious and ignore the disadvantages

Just like a stereotypical lemming with hypocrisy as his trademark.

I suppose when lemmings behave like they have the best console over everyone else and constantly ram sheep and cows with it it's OK, but when hermits try to prove their system is the best it's elitism and denial.

Excellent post. The console kids just can't stand a good PC thread. There are sales figures for European country's like Germany and Sweden, but I can't read them, can't find them in English.

Nevertheless, it's a changing market, and the PC's online community is unmatched.

[QUOTE="robflores370"][QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

aliblabla2007

Burning Crusade has sold around that much by now, and not all that 8.1 million bought it for online .... your kidding youself.

The xbox 360 has a user base of about 17 million, and the PC has about 200 million according to most of you hermits....if that is true 8.1 million on the PC is not that impressive

Just like a console fanboy..... they always downplay PC advantages..... downplaying mods, graphics, controls, now this?

and just like an elitist hermit to deny the obvious and ignore the disadvantages

Just like a stereotypical lemming with hypocrisy as his trademark.

I suppose when lemmings behave like they have the best console over everyone else and constantly ram sheep and cows with it it's OK, but when hermits try to prove their system is the best it's elitism and denial.

whatever makes you sleep better at night pc fanboy.....just like a typical hermit to pass on his opinions of the best as fact and try to force everyone into being a pc fanboy.....who's the hypocrite?.....hmmm

here lets try this for our console fanatic fan boys,

just because console gaming is getting very very big.......this does not mean that pc gaming scene is dying or dead or undead or what ever you like to call it. both can sit quite happily side by side. both have strenghts and weakness's.

now pc gaming can not die (not for a while yet anyhow), see there is a lot of money to be made. intel and nvidia are making a shed load of cash because of pc gaming, this is good for consoles. why? why because all this money intel and nvidia make means more r&d into faster more efficient products which mean by the time the next console comes along it can use all these new tech, created by and generated by the pc gaming scene.

so console fanboys pray pc gaming doesn't die or your next console might not be as good :)

here lets try this for our console fanatic fan boys,

just because console gaming is getting very very big.......this does not mean that pc gaming scene is dying or dead or undead or what ever you like to call it. both can sit quite happily side by side. both have strenghts and weakness's.

now pc gaming can not die (not for a while yet anyhow), see there is a lot of money to be made. intel and nvidia are making a shed load of cash because of pc gaming, this is good for consoles. why? why because all this money intel and nvidia make means more r&d into faster more efficient products which mean by the time the next console comes along it can use all these new tech, created by and generated by the pc gaming scene.

so console fanboys pray pc gaming doesn't die or your next console might not be as good :)

crozon

Good post.....I agree 100%

Does it matter if they are playing it online? 8.1 million copies is a lot and how many people are playing WoW online since it's only a online game?Keep lying to yourself that PC gaming isn't getting smashed and in time MMORPGs will be on consoles and most likely be more fun Why would anyone have to even buy Wow when they can download it and sign up for 15 bucks a month to play that generic game?Truffle-Shuffle

UT3,Crysis and COD4 are selling like crap on the PC Truffle-Shuffle

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

robflores370

Burning Crusade has sold around that much by now, and not all that 8.1 million bought it for online .... your kidding youself.

The xbox 360 has a user base of about 17 million, and the PC has about 200 million according to most of you hermits....if that is true 8.1 million on the PC is not that impressive

Just like a console fanboy..... they always downplay PC advantages..... downplaying mods, graphics, controls, now this?

and just like an elitist hermit to deny the obvious and ignore the disadvantages

:roll: not worth the effort, Im not even PC-only... unlike you being console only, so you are more likely to be just anti-PC, than me elitist ... what the hell is an PC elitist anyway, couldnt I say the same about Lemmings/Cows/Sheep? :I

yeah call of duty 4 is selling like crap on the pc......i mean on game-monitor it says there are 30,800 people playing online and someone posted that when he checked there were 14,000 people on xbox live........wait hold on a sec, seems more people are playing the pc version online, hmm not full proof but it seems the pc version did sell a lot.

on a side note as for the dev. saying alot of people playing online are using a pirate key, i don't buy that. its one of the easiest things to ban. can anyone here confirm if you can play cod4 online with a pirated key.

also crysis is selling well in europe. most retail shops in the uk have crysis in the top 5 pc selling game charts. crysis is one of the best selling pc games in japan (not saying much, they don't like pc games) and ea said crysis is one of their successes stories.

UT3 sales could be better judging by how many players are online. then again no one has given us the ps3 sales figures for said game.

on a side note, i started gaming proper on consoles (nintendo 64 and the original playstation), i have a ps2, and am in the process of deciding what console to get a 360 or a ps3.

if you asked what my fav platform is then i would say pc, simply because i play rts games, simulations like il2, flight sim x, gtr2 etc, and i enjoy trying out mods. and i am a self confessed graphics whore

After reading the artcile wich states that the retailers make twice as much on used games do you guys realise how much more online sales are worth to publishers than retail?

Used sale price= $55

Consumer Credit= $20

Total Profit= $55-$20; $35

Profit from retail= $35/2=$17.5 (for gamestop)

Publisher Profit= $60-$17.5-$10(to MS*); $32.5- $? (hard copy costs)

*I assume its $10 because of the price difference between PC and Xbox360 games here, however some Xbox360 games go for $69.99, so I can't really state how much money goes to the console manufacturer.

If you look at it through margins it is even more significant

Gamestop margin= 1/2($35/$55); 32%

Gamestop's take= $60x.32; $19.2

Publisher Profit= $60-$19.2-$10; $30.8 -$? (hard copy costs)

It is safe to say that for publishers an online sale is worth twice as much. There are also rumors that for developers like Valve that can have a no publisher at all making three times as much. However keep in mind that I did not factor in how much the online distribution stores charge the publisher, ofcourse running servers is not that expensive so I would say that it varies.

EDIT: One of the big reasons Nvidea sales were u was do to their succes in the laptop onboard and discreet GPU market, however I am also sure that their 8000 cards crushed ATI's 2000 series, they were also named forbes company of the year, and I doubt it was because the $10 integrated chips sold so well.

Thanks to everyone for keeping the trolls at bay while I was gone. I fixed the typo in the first paragraph, I'm very sorry for that. Don't know how it slipped by me.

Great post but PC gaming is dying and will be wiped out by consoles in the future due to piracy
duh, maybe you should educate yourself and look at sales. Hermits claim PC gaming is so popular in Europe but can't come up with any sales numbers(bu bu the digital distribution bull).
If PC gaming had to depend on Europe to survive you might as well kiss it goodbye

UT3,Crysis and COD4 are selling like crap on the PC
Truffle-Shuffle

If PC gaming had to depend on Europe to survive you might as well kiss it goodbyeTruffle-Shuffle

PC MP always gets hacked to the point that there isn't any reason to play the games.
Truffle-Shuffle

as far as console games being downloaded it's far less worse than it is for any PC title
At least MS ban people with modded 360's from XBL, too bad they can't do the same for PC gamers
Truffle-Shuffle

I still could NOT care less about 99% of PC games and therefore I'm still not going to admit that PC is better for me. ZIMdoom

That's the crazy part, many of us PC Gamers game on consoles as well. I don't think many of these anti-pc lunatics understand this.mismajor99

thats not bad, pc gaming could live on just by using mods if u ask me.....im not really amazed by the players online....everytime i log onto xbl to play some halo 3.....there is usually 300k+ users on halo Dante2710

That's a VERY impressive number I must admit, however, do you think that there are many other games that even manage to break 10K? This thread is not about online activity though. I just used online activity to deduce an estimate of the total number of players.

thats not bad, pc gaming could live on just by using mods if u ask me.....im not really amazed by the players online....everytime i log onto xbl to play some halo 3.....there is usually 300k+ users on halo Dante2710

What u have to realise is the 360 has probably 3 major online fps games at the moment, CoD4, Halo 3 and maybe TF2. The pc has so so many more.

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]thats not bad, pc gaming could live on just by using mods if u ask me.....im not really amazed by the players online....everytime i log onto xbl to play some halo 3.....there is usually 300k+ users on halo Arsuz

That's a VERY impressive number I must admit, however, do you think that there are many other games that even manage to break 10K? This thread is not about online activity though. I just used online activity to deduce an estimate of the total number of players.

10k is actually garbage for big name games like COD4, but it's ok because your numbers are complete utter garbage, or I should say Gamespys are which are massively off.

If you goto gametracker.com you would actually see that COD4 is the most popular PC game right now

According to them their are 2750 servers in COD4 right now with players on them, this does not include bots (though does COD4 even have em?)

That doesn't even factor in the fact that only about half, maybe even less of COD4's servers are actually tracked by gametracker because for gametracker to even track your server you have to setup with them.

So in reality their are around 6000 servers in COD 4 right now with people playing and as you probably guessed by now gamespys numbers are completely worthless.

COD4 is in fact more popular the CS right now.

N1 post :)

Also have a look @ http://clanbase.ggl.com/news.php Pc gaming owns europe

COD4 is in fact more popular the CS right now.

zipozal

:shock: IMPOSSIBLE! Well its quite possible. Thanks for the contribution. I'll put it up in the OP under your name.

here are some new chart news from germany and spain. got em of eurogamer.de

Deutschland

• 1. Dr. Kawashima: Mehr Gehirn-Jogging (DS)
• 2. Wii Play (Wii)
• 3. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PC)
• 4. World of Warcraft (PC)
• 5. Mario Party DS (DS)
• 6. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
• 7. World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (PC)
• 8. SingStar: Apres Ski (PS2)
• 9. Mario & Sonic bei den Olympischen Spielen (Wii)
• 10. Augen-Training (DS)

Spanien

• 1. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS3)
• 2. Dr. Kawashima: Mehr Gehirn-Jogging (DS)
• 3. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (PS3)
• 4. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
• 5. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
• 6. Dr. Kawashimas Gehirn-Jogging (DS)
• 7. Assassin's Creed (PS3)
• 8. New Super Mario Bros (DS)
• 9. Big Brain Academy (Wii)
• 10. Practice English (DS)

The PC and Nintendo doing good in Germany, Nintendo and PS3 doing well in Spain

So what have we learned, Nintendo is kicking everyones ar*e

COD4 is in fact more popular the CS right now.

zipozal

wrong,

there are only 2 reliable server trackers and those are Game-monitor.com and all-seeing eye. Both Counter Strike Source and Counter Strike 1.6 thrash CoD4 in terms of people playing online on the PC.

For comparisons these are the numbers for Halo 3. Nobody touches Counter Strike (mainly because of the huge networks Counter Strike 1.6 has in China)