AMD reveals potent parallel processing breakthrough.

They're busy over there at AMD. 

How is this different to say, how an A8-3850 APU has it's GPU and CPU use the same DDR3 memory on the mainboard?

It sounds good but I don't know if it will be widely adopted. Heck, AMD might just keep it for themselves.tagyhag

lol AMD.

Best time to sell AMD stocks instead thanks to rumor of Intel buying AMD.

lol AMD.

Best time to sell AMD stocks instead thanks to rumor of Intel buying AMD.

Mr_BillGates

That would never pass the anti-trust regulations.

AMD are on a roll atm, getting both consoles with AMD hardware, TresFX & now this

Nvidia isn't doing much recently

AMD are on a roll atm, getting both consoles with AMD hardware, TresFX & now this

Nvidia isn't doing much recently

HaloinventedFPS

""MD has released details on its implementation of The Next Big Thing in processor evolution, and in the process has unleashed the TNBT of acronyms: the AMD APU (CPU+GPU) HSA hUMA. Before your eyes glaze over and you click away from this page, know that if this scheme is widely adopted, it could be of great benefit to both processor performance and developer convenience and to you. Simply put, what AMD's heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access (hUMA) does is allow central processing units (CPUs) and graphics processing units (GPUs) which AMD places on a single die in their accelerated processing units (APUs) to seamlessly share the same memory in a heterogeneous system architecture (HSA). And that's a very big deal, indeed."" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/01/amd_huma/ tormentos

Intel also working on similar extensions e.g. Intel "Instant Access".

The problem with AMD is with MIA (Missing In Action) Kaveri APU.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

AMD are on a roll atm, getting both consoles with AMD hardware, TresFX & now this

Nvidia isn't doing much recently

millerlight89

AMD are on a roll atm, getting both consoles with AMD hardware, TresFX & now this

Nvidia isn't doing much recently

HaloinventedFPS

Are we now setting a standard that gpu makers must secure console deals to be considered successful? Console deal aside, Nvidia has been doing much better than AMD for the past several years. AMD is constantly a step behind Nvidia with graphics cards, while their CPUs are no match for Intel either. Their directorial board is riddled with mismanagement and the company as a whole doesn't even have a clear direction.

This console deal is good news for what would have potentially been a road to bankruptcy for AMD. However, let's not jump the gun just yet.

Oh yeah, and Nvidia hasn't been doing much? They released the GTX Titan. ATI doesn't even have anything to compete with that.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

AMD are on a roll atm, getting both consoles with AMD hardware, TresFX & now this

Nvidia isn't doing much recently

jhcho2

Are we now setting a standard that gpu makers must secure console deals to be considered successful? Console deal aside, Nvidia has been doing much better than AMD for the past several years. AMD is constantly a step behind Nvidia with graphics cards, while their CPUs are no match for Intel either. Their directorial board is riddled with mismanagement and the company as a whole doesn't even have a clear direction.

This console deal is good news for what would have potentially been a road to bankruptcy for AMD. However, let's not jump the gun just yet.

Oh yeah, and Nvidia hasn't been doing much? They released the GTX Titan. ATI doesn't even have anything to compete with that.

This is going to be featured in the PS4.  It is also largely speculated that this technology will be in the next XBox as well.

It's an interesting new development by AMD, but will it turn the PS4 APU into a powerhouse?... No.
Is it going to make much of a difference to anyone building a rig this year? ... I doubt it.

AMD still have a lot of catching up to do with Intel, this may be a neat development but it isn't a game changer.CwlHeddwyn

Durango's secret sauce finally confirmed. 

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

AMD are on a roll atm, getting both consoles with AMD hardware, TresFX & now this

Nvidia isn't doing much recently

ronvalencia

Are we now setting a standard that gpu makers must secure console deals to be considered successful? Console deal aside, Nvidia has been doing much better than AMD for the past several years. AMD is constantly a step behind Nvidia with graphics cards, while their CPUs are no match for Intel either. Their directorial board is riddled with mismanagement and the company as a whole doesn't even have a clear direction.

This console deal is good news for what would have potentially been a road to bankruptcy for AMD. However, let's not jump the gun just yet.

Oh yeah, and Nvidia hasn't been doing much? They released the GTX Titan. ATI doesn't even have anything to compete with that.

Well, between ATI and AMD, AMD has always been the more troubled one. The truth is, AMD severely mismanaged their funds. AMD couldn't quite afford to buy ATI back then. They did it out of panic because they desperately needed a gpu partner to develop a cpu/gpu hybrid to combat Intel's Larabee (which failed). As a result, AMD wiped out their cash reserves and it was downhill all the way from there. In that respect, Nvidia's management is better than AMD's one.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

AMD are on a roll atm, getting both consoles with AMD hardware, TresFX & now this

Nvidia isn't doing much recently

jhcho2

Are we now setting a standard that gpu makers must secure console deals to be considered successful? Console deal aside, Nvidia has been doing much better than AMD for the past several years. AMD is constantly a step behind Nvidia with graphics cards, while their CPUs are no match for Intel either. Their directorial board is riddled with mismanagement and the company as a whole doesn't even have a clear direction.

This console deal is good news for what would have potentially been a road to bankruptcy for AMD. However, let's not jump the gun just yet.

Oh yeah, and Nvidia hasn't been doing much? They released the GTX Titan. ATI doesn't even have anything to compete with that.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

AMD are on a roll atm, getting both consoles with AMD hardware, TresFX & now this

Nvidia isn't doing much recently

millerlight89

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="jhcho2"]

Are we now setting a standard that gpu makers must secure console deals to be considered successful? Console deal aside, Nvidia has been doing much better than AMD for the past several years. AMD is constantly a step behind Nvidia with graphics cards, while their CPUs are no match for Intel either. Their directorial board is riddled with mismanagement and the company as a whole doesn't even have a clear direction.

This console deal is good news for what would have potentially been a road to bankruptcy for AMD. However, let's not jump the gun just yet.

Oh yeah, and Nvidia hasn't been doing much? They released the GTX Titan. ATI doesn't even have anything to compete with that.

jhcho2

Well, between ATI and AMD, AMD has always been the more troubled one. The truth is, AMD severely mismanaged their funds. AMD couldn't quite afford to buy ATI back then. They did it out of panic because they desperately needed a gpu partner to develop a cpu/gpu hybrid to combat Intel's Larabee (which failed). As a result, AMD wiped out their cash reserves and it was downhill all the way from there. In that respect, Nvidia's management is better than AMD's one.

lol AMD.

Best time to sell AMD stocks instead thanks to rumor of Intel buying AMD.

Mr_BillGates

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

AMD are on a roll atm, getting both consoles with AMD hardware, TresFX & now this

Nvidia isn't doing much recently

faizan_faizan

Are we now setting a standard that gpu makers must secure console deals to be considered successful? Console deal aside, Nvidia has been doing much better than AMD for the past several years. AMD is constantly a step behind Nvidia with graphics cards, while their CPUs are no match for Intel either. Their directorial board is riddled with mismanagement and the company as a whole doesn't even have a clear direction.

This console deal is good news for what would have potentially been a road to bankruptcy for AMD. However, let's not jump the gun just yet.

Oh yeah, and Nvidia hasn't been doing much? They released the GTX Titan. ATI doesn't even have anything to compete with that.

C'mon. When did the GTX 690 launch, and when did the HD 7990 launch? Of course you don't launch a new card a whole year later without first making sure that it is better than your competitor's product which came out a year ago. And that's not to say Nvidia doesn't have anything up their sleeve. They might have already made enough improvements over the 690 to make it better than the current 7990, but why would they release it if the 690 was at the top spot until recently? And considering that the Titan is out, what's to say that Nvidia doesn't already have a GTX Titan x 2 down the pipeline? That would kick AMD back to stone age.

Point being, AMD has been a step behind Nvidia for some time now. History dictates that AMD's *990 dual gpu cards always beat Nvidia's dual gpu solutions, but the timing of AMD's releases always work against them. Wouldn't it be great if the 7990 came out at the same time the 690 did? just like how the 6990 should have came out the same time as the 590.

It's pretty sad that cows now posts news about PC technology and its evolution after years of hating the "PC" and riding on teh cell - the super computer bandwagon. :(

""MD has released details on its implementation of The Next Big Thing in processor evolution, and in the process has unleashed the TNBT of acronyms: the AMD APU (CPU+GPU) HSA hUMA. Before your eyes glaze over and you click away from this page, know that if this scheme is widely adopted, it could be of great benefit to both processor performance and developer convenience and to you. Simply put, what AMD's heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access (hUMA) does is allow central processing units (CPUs) and graphics processing units (GPUs) which AMD places on a single die in their accelerated processing units (APUs) to seamlessly share the same memory in a heterogeneous system architecture (HSA). And that's a very big deal, indeed."" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/01/amd_huma/tormentos

The way I see it, having two chips do two things will always be better than one chip doing two things. The problem is that graphics processing is quite different from computational processing. The manner in which the tasks are stacked up are different. One is heavy on queued and predictable tasks, the other specializes in random calculation. What all APUs essentially do is to hit some middle ground in performing both types of tasks. It tries to be a jack of all trades.

Hence, as long as there are people out there willing to dish out a thousand bucks on hardware, and appreciate performance over value for money, the independant setup will be here to stay. I just don't see APUs overtaking independant setups....EVER. It'll just trail behind.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

Are we now setting a standard that gpu makers must secure console deals to be considered successful? Console deal aside, Nvidia has been doing much better than AMD for the past several years. AMD is constantly a step behind Nvidia with graphics cards, while their CPUs are no match for Intel either. Their directorial board is riddled with mismanagement and the company as a whole doesn't even have a clear direction.

This console deal is good news for what would have potentially been a road to bankruptcy for AMD. However, let's not jump the gun just yet.

Oh yeah, and Nvidia hasn't been doing much? They released the GTX Titan. ATI doesn't even have anything to compete with that.

jhcho2

C'mon. When did the GTX 690 launch, and when did the HD 7990 launch? Of course you don't launch a new card a whole year later without first making sure that it is better than your competitor's product which came out a year ago. And that's not to say Nvidia doesn't have anything up their sleeve. They might have already made enough improvements over the 690 to make it better than the current 7990, but why would they release it if the 690 was at the top spot until recently? And considering that the Titan is out, what's to say that Nvidia doesn't already have a GTX Titan x 2 down the pipeline? That would kick AMD back to stone age.

Point being, AMD has been a step behind Nvidia for some time now. History dictates that AMD's *990 dual gpu cards always beat Nvidia's dual gpu solutions, but the timing of AMD's releases always work against them. Wouldn't it be great if the 7990 came out at the same time the 690 did? just like how the 6990 should have came out the same time as the 590.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

AMD are on a roll atm, getting both consoles with AMD hardware, TresFX & now this

Nvidia isn't doing much recently

jhcho2

Are we now setting a standard that gpu makers must secure console deals to be considered successful? Console deal aside, Nvidia has been doing much better than AMD for the past several years. AMD is constantly a step behind Nvidia with graphics cards, while their CPUs are no match for Intel either. Their directorial board is riddled with mismanagement and the company as a whole doesn't even have a clear direction.

This console deal is good news for what would have potentially been a road to bankruptcy for AMD. However, let's not jump the gun just yet.

Oh yeah, and Nvidia hasn't been doing much? They released the GTX Titan. ATI doesn't even have anything to compete with that.

7970 Ghz Edition can complete with Titan in GpGPU type workloads, but not with rasterization. AMD needs to boost 7970's rasterization capability to 224 TMUs and 48 ROPs.

AMD hasn't released a large 551mm^2 chip size Titan i.e. 7970's chip size is 365 mm^2. AMD needs to add another 16 ROPs from 7770 and another 96 TMUs from 7870.

AMD could have combined 7790's 160mm^2 + 7970's 365mm^2 to form 525 mm^2 GCN that would easily rival Titan.

The way I see it, having two chips do two things will always be better than one chip doing two things. The problem is that graphics processing is quite different from computational processing. The manner in which the tasks are stacked up are different. One is heavy on queued and predictable tasks, the other specializes in random calculation. What all APUs essentially do is to hit some middle ground in performing both types of tasks. It tries to be a jack of all trades.

Hence, as long as there are people out there willing to dish out a thousand bucks on hardware, and appreciate performance over value for money, the independant setup will be here to stay. I just don't see APUs overtaking independant setups....EVER. It'll just trail behind.

jhcho2

It's pretty sad that cows now posts news about PC technology and its evolution after years of hating the "PC" and riding on teh cell - the super computer bandwagon. :(

zeeshanhaider

Its going to be on the new Wii:U upgrade later on this year :lol:

But CPUs and GPUs like different types of memory.

I wonder how it will differ on consoles,since the 720 and PS4 use a different memory setup.tormentos

But CPUs and GPUs like different types of memory.

kraken2109

Which is why APUs are relatively underwhelming. If GPU+CPU architecture were that easy, it wouldn't have taken chip makers this long to attempt an APU design. Intel even failed in their's. And I'm sure it's not just the memory which is incompatible. It's a great many things.

APU's a great news for notebooks and tablets, especially AMD's offerings which have far greater graphics capability than Intels solutions, for now anyway. though they can't come close to a dedicated CPU and a dedicated GPU, each with their own reserves of RAM. This time next year there will be notebooks appearing that have similar power to the next gen consoles coming at the end of this year.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

AMD are on a roll atm, getting both consoles with AMD hardware, TresFX & now this

Nvidia isn't doing much recently

ronvalencia

My brothers cousin told me that NVIDIA has supercharged GDDR5 in every CPU they sell.  SCAPU, you heard of it?  Probably not, I have insider info.

"Update: A reader has pointed out that in an interview with Gamasutra, PlayStation 4 lead architect Mark Cerny said that both CPU and GPU have full access to all the system's memory, strongly suggesting that it is indeed an HSA system." http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/04/amds-heterogeneous-uniform-memory-access-coming-this-year-in-kaveri/ Plus both Sony and Microsoft are part of the HSA foundation now so I'd expect both to have it.hexashadow13

Sony is.  I didn't see any mention of Microsoft.

They're busy over there at AMD. 

How is this different to say, how an A8-3850 APU has it's GPU and CPU use the same DDR3 memory on the mainboard?

psymon100

don't know if this has been answered but that isn't exactly how it works.  In a current APU set up system ram is blocked off to be used by the GPU and the other by the CPU.  It is the same physical RAM but to software it is basically two separate entities.  In an HSA set up like the one AMD and other companies are moving to the RAM is not divided but shared as one unified memory. 

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

AMD are on a roll atm, getting both consoles with AMD hardware, TresFX & now this

Nvidia isn't doing much recently

ronvalencia

Are we now setting a standard that gpu makers must secure console deals to be considered successful? Console deal aside, Nvidia has been doing much better than AMD for the past several years. AMD is constantly a step behind Nvidia with graphics cards, while their CPUs are no match for Intel either. Their directorial board is riddled with mismanagement and the company as a whole doesn't even have a clear direction.

This console deal is good news for what would have potentially been a road to bankruptcy for AMD. However, let's not jump the gun just yet.

Oh yeah, and Nvidia hasn't been doing much? They released the GTX Titan. ATI doesn't even have anything to compete with that.

7970 Ghz Edition can complete with Titan in GpGPU type workloads, but not with rasterization. AMD needs to boost 7970's rasterization capability to 224 TMUs and 48 ROPs.

AMD hasn't released a large 551mm^2 chip size Titan i.e. 7970's chip size is 365 mm^2. AMD needs to add another 16 ROPs from 7770 and another 96 TMUs from 7870.

AMD could have combined 7790's 160mm^2 + 7970's 365mm^2 to form 525 mm^2 GCN that would easily rival Titan.

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

They're busy over there at AMD. 

How is this different to say, how an A8-3850 APU has it's GPU and CPU use the same DDR3 memory on the mainboard?

NFJSupreme

don't know if this has been answered but that isn't exactly how it works.  In a current APU set up system ram is blocked off to be used by the GPU and the other by the CPU.  It is the same physical RAM but to software it is basically two separate entities.  In an HSA set up like the one AMD and other companies are moving to the RAM is not divided but shared as one unified memory. 

I see. So the former kind of partitions the ram, the modern HSA set up allows more dynamic allocation of the ram?

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

They're busy over there at AMD. 

How is this different to say, how an A8-3850 APU has it's GPU and CPU use the same DDR3 memory on the mainboard?

psymon100

don't know if this has been answered but that isn't exactly how it works.  In a current APU set up system ram is blocked off to be used by the GPU and the other by the CPU.  It is the same physical RAM but to software it is basically two separate entities.  In an HSA set up like the one AMD and other companies are moving to the RAM is not divided but shared as one unified memory. 

I see. So the former kind of partitions the ram, the modern HSA set up allows more dynamic allocation of the ram?

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