All said and done, at this point in the gen, which console is better in your opinion, PS5, or XSX?

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Poll All said and done, at this point in the gen, which console is better in your opinion, PS5, or XSX? (83 votes)

XSX 34%
PS5 66%

All things considered, exclusives, (non) exclusives, controllers, UI, performance, all of this, none of this, whatever. It's up to you, totally opinion. That being said, just curious where SW stands as a whole between these two choices.

On a side note, I live in a house with a Niners fan, so this next week is going to be like walking on eggshells. The weekend is going to either be apocalyptic, or rapturous. Either way, I'll just be sitting there, waiting for it to be over. Again.

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#1 SolidGame_basic
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Now that XSX games are coming to PS5, PS5 is objectively better

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#2 R4gn4r0k
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Shamelessly stealing Bassman's gif

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@R4gn4r0k said:

Shamelessly stealing Bassman's gif

Lol, obviously. But this is a console-only thread.

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#4 hardwenzen
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Only a lemming would vote for the Xbox. Why? Because of low standards. They're used to get nothing, so this gen being empty is just another day of being an Xbox owner. I, a Sony Professional, i am used to incredible, industry defining titles made by Sony, and this generation has been the most dogshit since i got my first Sony system, the ps3. Its so bad that its not even worth saying that its suprior, because Sony hasn't been delivering at all. Thank you Jimbo Ryan.

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#5 SolidGame_basic
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@nod_calypse said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

Shamelessly stealing Bassman's gif

Lol, obviously. But this is a console-only thread.

PC gamers are insecure, hence why they have to keep reassuring themselves πŸ˜‚

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#6  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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@nod_calypse said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

Shamelessly stealing Bassman's gif

Lol, obviously. But this is a console-only thread.

As a PC gamer, I'll show my respect to the console gamers here.

Going with PS5 as of now due to their exclusives are top-notch and I'm not talking about the one's that are already (or still coming) on PC either. FF7 Rebirth is right around the corner, same for Stellar Blade. All things to consider, PS5 has games alright, it just falls down what game are you looking to play. PS5 is the clear winner here...in my opinion.

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#7  Edited By SargentD
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Xbox is better imo.

And I also play on PC.

Cross Progression/play anywhere, gamepass, backwards Compatibility, Quick resume.

Sony games also comming to PC, just doesn't have equal integration with PC as Xbox and Microsoft. And Sony games are mostly movie game, one and dones

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XSX for me. Prefer the controller, ecosystem, and Game Pass provides me with a lot of great games to play and try out. Get a lot of value out of it.

PS5 is a pretty good system in general and there certainly has been a good number of excellent games that I’ve played on it as well.

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@sargentd: @davillain:

I mainly game on PC. In fact, for the last few years, besides older consoles like NES, SNES, Genesis, etc. I've gamed only on PC. That being said, lately I've been showing my PS5 a lot of love. (Some) of the VR offerings are really good, and certain games like Star Ocean, Persona, or the upcoming TR remasters, are just better on console, imo.

But I'll always go back to PC.

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#10  Edited By SargentD
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@nod_calypse said:

@sargentd: @davillain:

I mainly game on PC. In fact, for the last few years, besides older consoles like NES, SNES, Genesis, etc. I've gamed only on PC. That being said, lately I've been showing my PS5 a lot of love. (Some) of the VR offerings are really good, and certain games like Star Ocean, Persona, or the upcoming TR remasters, are just better on console, imo.

But I'll always go back to PC.

For me, SX has the best PC integration compared to PS and Ninty and that's why it's my favorite console. Gamespass being on both platforms and being able to continue my progress seamlessly between both is such a clutch and underrated feature. If the wife wants to watch something on TV while I'm in middle of game can easily just move to my desk and keep playing. Agree that certain games are better on console, my PC is more for FPS, strategy, and mmos.

Plus sometimes I just want to play on a big TV on the couch and not the monitor at a desk (yeah you can hook PC to TV but I'm not trying to do that, I want a dedicated living room console.

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I think it is objectively true that PS5 is better *so far*. I also think it is entirely likely that series X is better by end of gen and that Playstation as a brand might not exist in 15 years.

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Each systems does certain things better than others.

PS5 has a much better DVR and YouTube app integration, Xbox's DVR is a pain to use, and they took out YouTube upload functionality end of last gen when the File Explorer plug-in was removed from the Xbox OS. PS5 runs laps around rhe Series X|S with multiple record options and much more generous record lengths.

Xbox does the subscription service better, and the UWP ecosystem is years ahead of Sony's with its Play Anywhere and Smart Delivery features, with its userbased cross-system functionality and entitlements. However, Sony does do one thing better in this regard. Xbox's Smart Delivery gives players the higher available build of a game to play that utilizes the feature, but doesn't give options to manually select the build to play. But PS5 gives users this option. This normally isn't an issue, but in certain circumstances people might want that option. Blair Witch on Series X versus the Series S is a clear example of why someone might want to run the XB1 build over the XB1X build, Series S will run a clean 60fps based on the original XB1 code whereas the XB1X code runs like ass on the Series X. This could be remedied by being able to choose the version to play, but that's not an option.

Xbox's quick resume feature is way better, you can suspend multiple games without a problem and jump back in as if you never shut it down. Of course, the caveat is that it's fussy if the game has some online integration feature and suspending games always upsets that functionality, but that's expected.

I feel a great sense of disappointment all around with developers, given both PS5 and Xbox Series X|S built a whole array of optimization features that still go unutilized. Devs still build games almost like they're on 8th gen systems, where it's constantly loading huge chunks of data to the RAM rather than utilize direct access to the SSDs like virtual memory. I feel this often gets ignored, gaming world just seems happy if the PS5 versions run marginally better than Series X|S builds but this still ignores how developers are cheating everyone by not utilizing the tools at their disposal to make the games better on consoles all around.

Games themselves are still and apple and oranges situation, nothing changes there. Both Sony and MS are putting their games on PC too. MS has an advantage of their UWP ecosystem, Sony doesn't even have a console-PC ecosystem. Microsoft's games also tend to do a lot better on PC than Sony's. Microsoft also puts there first party games on their subscription services day one which makes their subscription service a much better value than Sony's. Third party content is comparable for older games and indies on the services, but Xbox does a better job nabbing them at launch. Sony's Premium tier too is baffling too, they really should just consolidate the Extra/Premium offerings under one tier. Premium is supposed to be the BC tier and it's sucking at being such.

Frankly I feel UE5 really sold the expectations of 9th gen systems more than anything else and we're only finally stating to see third party games releasing that use it. But stuff I've played has all been from smaller devs. We've yet to see a ambitious AAA game making great use of it, those are finally coming, but the way people talk it sounds like this gen is already wrapping up.

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I haven't used either really but, as someone who owns a PC and a Switch, If i had to go out and buy an XSX or PS5, I'd go with the PS5.

At the end of the day it comes down to a question: I'm buying a console. Name 5 games I will walk out of the shop with when buying that console.

On the PS5 I'd have (thinking of games that are unlikely to get to the PC):

  • Shadow of the colossus
  • Gravity Rush 1&2
  • Ghosts of Tsushima
  • GT7
  • Astros Playroom (comes with the PS5 as i understand it...bonus :) ).
  • PSVR2 and the Horizon game on that + some others.

Xbox games i'd get.....I can't actually think of anything. Any games I want from MS is on the PC (Cheers MS :) ). Gamepass is of no value to me. There is nothing unique or interesting about the console itself. I can't think of a reason to pick up an Xbox console in my scenario.

Now if I was someone who had nothing to play and the choice was a PS5 or XSX....then it gets a bit trickier.

I'd still give the nod to the PS5 though I think. It has full support from 3rd parties and, at the moment, Sony make more games that interest me compared to MS. Though it's close and, with MSs vast swathes of studios now, that could change....IF they can deliver on the content front.

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Xbox SeX, Xbox Play Station, Xbox PC, Xbox Phone, Xbox TV app - it all is the Xbox what you pick is all Xbox!!

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Now that Ps5 games are coming to Xbox/PC, why own a Ps5?

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@spelamera said:

Now that Ps5 games are coming to Xbox/PC, why own a Ps5?

what Sony IP is coming to Xbox??

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#17 Basinboy
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Ignoring the OP, instead going to trash MS for going with proprietary expansion SSDs.

Meanwhile, Sony’s QA for its controllers is becoming even more dubious.

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#18  Edited By Spelamera
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@letshavefun said:
@spelamera said:

Now that Ps5 games are coming to Xbox/PC, why own a Ps5?

what Sony IP is coming to Xbox??

Final fantasy 7 remake on Xbox/PC

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#19  Edited By LetsHaveFun
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@spelamera said:
@letshavefun said:
@spelamera said:

Now that Ps5 games are coming to Xbox/PC, why own a Ps5?

what Sony IP is coming to Xbox??

Final fantasy 7 remake on Xbox/PC

That's not a Sony IP..

Sony wishes..

Also that's still not coming to xbox anyway..

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@spelamera: FF7R isn't a Sony IP...

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The one with Game Pass.

It's not about hardware (for me, at least) at this point, they're both inferior to PC and I don't want to settle for second place.

However if I were to play on a specific console, it'd be on the console with the most to offer. The one that doesn't just have one or two AAA releases a year, but instead a lot of small-scale and indie games available as well for a low monthly subscription. You also get quite a few big-name titles as well.

That's Xbox.

I don't need a dribble of "bangers", I need a steady supply of "good enough". A balance of quality and quantity.

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#22  Edited By loudheadphones
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There will be no Xbox hardware!

Hahahaha

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PS5 because of their exclusives. Xbox doesn't even have one great exclusive since XB360

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#24 Spelamera
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@nod_calypse said:

@spelamera: FF7R isn't a Sony IP...

It was console exclusive before

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@spelamera: Okay? Still not a Sony IP.

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Xbox, because I don't need to use the console to play the games.

PS5 design is dumb.

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Ps5 has been trash...I can't think of one game past spiderman worth buying it for, and really that is disappointing. Everything has been remasters and remakes, nothing original or creative, everything boring movie games. Xbox has been dynamic, and with the gamepass subscription, it's automatically superior.

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@pyro1245: Considering Xbox will soon be vapors, that's a good thing you don't need the console, lol

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@pyro1245 said:

Xbox, because I don't need to use the console to play the games.

PS5 design is dumb.

You offend some.πŸ˜‚

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#30  Edited By BenjaminBanklin
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I'm gonna say it's the console with both PS and Xbox games on it. 😁

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I'm gonna say it's the console with both PS and Xbox games on it. 😁

Then you are talking about PC.😎

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#32 BenjaminBanklin
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@Pedro said:

Then you are talking about PC.😎

Read the thread title again, please.

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#33 Pedro  Online
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@BenjaminBanklin said:

Read the thread title again, please.

There is no console that sports PS and Xbox games, only PC. Please feel free to point me to the console that has both.😎

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Why are we excluding the PC and Switch?

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#35 Nirgal
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I honestly don't think it would make s huge difference to getting either of them. The console market is not as differentiated as before.

If I was forced to pick I would go for PS5, but by a very small margin.

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@Stevo_the_gamer: No PC because....it's a console thread. Duh.

No Switch because I habitually overlook Nintendo. (Though I am a pretty big old school Nintendo fan)

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#37 BenjaminBanklin
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@Pedro said:

There is no console that sports PS and Xbox games, only PC. Please feel free to point me to the console that has both.😎

PS5 is gonna have it all. Didn't you hear? Aren't you excited?! You finally got your wish... the end of console exclusivity!

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#38 Zero_epyon
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It's too bad that that other thread got locked. That meltdown was golden!

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@Zero_epyon: I know, lol. Pedro's head was imploding.

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@Pedro said:

There is no console that sports PS and Xbox games, only PC. Please feel free to point me to the console that has both.😎

PS5 is gonna have it all. Didn't you hear? Aren't you excited?! You finally got your wish... the end of console exclusivity!

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#41 hardwenzen
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I command Xbox fans to give me all their exclusives. Obey to my commands, bro.

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@Pedro said:

There is no console that sports PS and Xbox games, only PC. Please feel free to point me to the console that has both.😎

PS5 is gonna have it all. Didn't you hear? Aren't you excited?! You finally got your wish... the end of console exclusivity!

So, you can't point me to a console that has both.πŸ₯² So, I was right. Only PC gives you access to both.😎

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@Pedro said:

So, you can't point me to a console that has both.πŸ₯² So, I was right. Only PC gives you access to both.😎

Poor Pedro. I thought you were a champion of an exclusiveless future for consoles, and PS is going to have all of them because of Xbox's failure kindness. Celebrate with us, Pedro. I wanna see your happy face!

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@Pedro said:

So, you can't point me to a console that has both.πŸ₯² So, I was right. Only PC gives you access to both.😎

Poor Pedro. I thought you were a champion of an exclusiveless future for consoles, and PS is going to have all of them because of Xbox's failure kindness. Celebrate with us, Pedro. I wanna see your happy face!

Pay attention to the bold.🀭

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@Pedro said:

So, you can't point me to a console that has both.πŸ₯² So, I was right. Only PC gives you access to both.😎

Poor Pedro. I thought you were a champion of an exclusiveless future for consoles, and PS is going to have all of them because of Xbox's failure kindness. Celebrate with us, Pedro. I wanna see your happy face!

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When everybody plays, we all win! πŸ˜€

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@hardwenzen said:

I command Xbox fans to give me all their exclusives. Obey to my commands, bro.

MS demands you buy thier games

And they don't care which plastic box you do it on.

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I've enjoyed PS5 more so far.

Go niners. Not because I'm a fan of them, just don't want Kermit to get another ring already.

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#48 hardwenzen
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@sargentd said:
@hardwenzen said:

I command Xbox fans to give me all their exclusives. Obey to my commands, bro.

MS demands you buy thier games

And they don't care which plastic box you do it on.

Won't work. Instead, i will rent them for $1🀭Thanks Phil.

Then again, Starfield and the likes are so bad that its not worth playing even for $1, something i could be doing right about now.

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#49  Edited By Litchie
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Better? Both are redundant to me since I have no interest in Sony's games, and MS's games I can play on PC.

XSX has slightly more powerful hardware and a better controller than PS5, but worse UI.

So, Xbox I guess?

I don't like hampering myself when it comes to gaming, so I play on PC.

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@Litchie: What is wrong with the UI?