All PS4 Games May Work on the PS5 even ones not whitelisted by Sony. (rumor)

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#1 deactivated-60bf765068a74
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So if you get a PS5 just sell that PS4 since you won't need it anymore no more clutter, no more switching systems in and out this is for the consumers.

The 100's of millions of playstation 4 gamers YOUR GAMES move with you to the PS5, your digital library and your physical library. There is no reason to switch xbox x-series your games wouldl not come with you there. So you are tied to sony eco system just like iPhone users want to keep all there iTunes and apps on there and can't move to android.

This should give sony a huge lead next gen and tbH the war is already over especially were hearing Xbox Live isn't gonna be free and they took the 12 month plan and now its like 100 bux a year or something.

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#2 SolidGame_basic
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PS5 pre-orders are about to double lol.

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#3 lundy86_4
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There's a distinct difference between what is actually serviceable, and what is somewhat eligible to sell to the user base. This is a severe wait-and-see.

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#4 hardwenzen  Online
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Planning on selling my PS4 this month. Just 2 trophies left in TLOU2 and as soon as its done, bye bye PS4 😢

About the ps5, well, that is how i wanted it to be and expect it to be, but knowing Sony, i wasn't sure if it would be like that. Now please release a 60fps/1440p/higher graphical settings patch for God of War. If they do this, i'll get the ps5 even if there's fuckall exclusives wise on launch.

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#5 Pedro
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I am not sure why this matters because I was told routinely by Sony fannies that they don't care about BC. 😎

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#6 deactivated-60bf765068a74
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@Pedro said:

I am not sure why this matters because I was told routinely by Sony fannies that they don't care about BC. 😎

Bro you always call us Sony Fannies you haven't said Microsoft fannies once on here even when microsoft does bad stuff.

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#7 MonsieurX
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But who wants to buy a new system to play old games?

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#8 rzxv04
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Nice. They probably should otherwise PS+ might have less value since that's what's gonna be mostly "free", PS4 games from Plus sub. Sony will have more option on what to throw for PS5 Plus sub members.

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Oh, oh. Cows aren’t going to like this. They don’t want to play old games on their new system.

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#10 sakaiXx
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Nice. Got some weird asian imports that I bought but haven't played yet. Would suck if those can't be played during PS5 early exclusive droughts. Stupid P5R, FF7R, WotF and FFX platinum run messing up my schedule. Not only grindy but took around 100+ hours each.

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#11 BenjaminBanklin
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@ProtossRushX said:

Bro you always call us Sony Fannies you haven't said Microsoft fannies once on here even when microsoft does bad stuff.

He's a dyed-in-the-wool lem who happens to like to troll the board. He didn't get that 40k posts for nothing.

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#12 Telekill
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Fantastic news if it holds true. I applaud Microsoft for restarting the backwards compatibility train.

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#13 Sancho_Panzer
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Thought that was the idea from the beginning TBH.

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#14 Phlop_Spencer
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Who cares about old games? We should be looking forward to Sony’s next gen bangers! The old one were amazing but it’s all about the future

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#15 tormentos
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@ProtossRushX said:
@Pedro said:

I am not sure why this matters because I was told routinely by Sony fannies that they don't care about BC. 😎

Bro you always call us Sony Fannies you haven't said Microsoft fannies once on here even when microsoft does bad stuff.

Because his true colors shine for him no matter how much he try to hide them.

@Pedro said:

I am not sure why this matters because I was told routinely by Sony fannies that they don't care about BC. 😎

I am not sure why this doesn't matter i was told by lemmings that BC was the Be all end all of gaming,without BC no system would be complete. ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)

(unless MS fu** up and leave certain games and hardware behind then that's ok)

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Oh, oh. Cows aren’t going to like this. They don’t want to play old games on their new system.

Lemmings are going to love this i see some lemmings jumping sides for this as they buy new systems for old games.

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#16  Edited By Pedro
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@ProtossRushX said:

Bro you always call us Sony Fannies you haven't said Microsoft fannies once on here even when microsoft does bad stuff.

"Your" faction makes the most noise and are easily triggered, see above. 😎

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#17 Archangel3371
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@tormentos: You see lemmings jumping sides now do you? Sorry but I can’t trust you anymore alt.

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#18 Phlop_Spencer
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@Pedro said:
@ProtossRushX said:

Bro you always call us Sony Fannies you haven't said Microsoft fannies once on here even when microsoft does bad stuff.

"Your" faction makes the most noise and are easily triggered, see above. 😎

says the guy defending every single microsoft choice regardless of outcome

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#19  Edited By tormentos
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@Pedro said:
@ProtossRushX said:

Bro you always call us Sony Fannies you haven't said Microsoft fannies once on here even when microsoft does bad stuff.

"Your" faction makes the most noise and are easily triggered, see above. 😎

If there is something i have learn over the years here is that a fanboy is a fanboy period no matter the colors,but the worse kind of fanboy is the one who can't see him self as been a fanboy.

If blackace and kingtito can deny been lemmings well you can as well,alto it serve you no purpose really every one knows.👌

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@tormentos: You see lemmings jumping sides now do you? Sorry but I can’t trust you anymore alt.

Sure i do i heard BC is the be all end all of gaming,and i have heard so much shit from lemmings in this recent times,implying the PS5 would work only with 100 games is not even funny.

But i have an alt account and apparently to you now that doesn't make me trust worthy.

There is something wrong with that but i can't quite put my finger on it....

Oh yeah non of you ever believe i was trust worthy.🤣

So the PS5 will be compatible with PS4 games and live will not be free damn i am on a roll.

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@Pedro said:
@ProtossRushX said:

Bro you always call us Sony Fannies you haven't said Microsoft fannies once on here even when microsoft does bad stuff.

"Your" faction makes the most noise and are easily triggered, see above. 😎

says the guy defending every single microsoft choice regardless of outcome

How dare you say that about Pedro i demand a public apology.

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#21 Archangel3371
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@tormentos:

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#22 Pedro
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I rest my case.

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#23 filthyn00b
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bs rumor.

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#24 Ant_17
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If reviewtechusa says then it's fake news, since he was wrong about the free live on xbox and cause he's stupid.

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#25 navyguy21
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@Ant_17 said:

If reviewtechusa says then it's fake news, since he was wrong about the free live on xbox and cause he's stupid.

Yea, Im a subscriber to his channel but he seems to be moving to click bait topics.

His videos on Halo and PS5 BC were full of misinformation and just ignorance of the facts

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@ProtossRushX: I hope Sony is paying you.

Tormeltdownos is still melting down i see, and the mods still haven't nuked the alt (everyone knows) as phlop spencer.

it wouldn't surprise me if phlop is one of tormies many alts.

Oh and as others have said, cows now like old games again, how predictable.

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#27  Edited By hrt_rulz01
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@Telekill said:

Fantastic news if it holds true. I applaud Microsoft for restarting the backwards compatibility train.

It's good to see at least one PS fan acknowledging this.

Anyway, I'll believe this when I see it though.

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@hrt_rulz01 said:
@Telekill said:

Fantastic news if it holds true. I applaud Microsoft for restarting the backwards compatibility train.

It's good to see at least one PS fan acknowledging this.

Anyway, I'll believe this when I see it though.

No dude im not acknowledging shit.

The PS2 and Played PS1 games

The PS3 played PS2 games and PS1 games.

And it didn't make you download the an emulated version it just ran off the system no frame rate dips are garbage like the xbox one which struggles to emulate good 360 games.

Xbox copied sony and nintendo they did BC way before.

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#29 WitIsWisdom
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If the library moves over that is entirely awesome... although also pushing for an all digital future... sigh.. I don't want to like it but it's hard not to like this move if true. That said I still do and will buy physical in most cases.

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#30 Duckyindiana
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Why do people link Reviewtechusa when he is known to click bait flat out lie and be wrong more than he is right!

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I used to have an iPhone and switched to Android, best move I done :)

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#32 Ten_Pints
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I makes no sense for it not to be fully supported, it would be like saying the next version of windows on a PC support backwards compatibility... Why would it not.

Possibly the first console gen for Sony where the architecture hasn't dramatically changed. I can see some rare compatibility problems similar to bugs you have on PC sometimes though.

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#33 SecretPolice
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lol :P

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@Pedro said:

I am not sure why this matters because I was told routinely by Sony fannies that they don't care about BC. 😎

no we care more about next gen games more or AAA exclusives. the bc is just icing on the cake.

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#35 speedytimsi
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I expect to play PS4 games on PS5 if i decide to get a PS5.

But what about PS1 & PS2 games? I just wish they open that library up on either their storefront or PSNow type of service going forward.

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@i_p_daily said:

@ProtossRushX: I hope Sony is paying you.

Tormeltdownos is still melting down i see, and the mods still haven't nuked the alt (everyone knows) as phlop spencer.

it wouldn't surprise me if phlop is one of tormies many alts.

Oh and as others have said, cows now like old games again, how predictable.

Yeah because MS isn't paying you,your basically one of the most bitter and blind xbox fans here.

What meltdown please explain.

Lets see this is a thread about all PS4 games running on PS5,and some of the usual fanboys and detractors who attacked the PS5 BC now try to derail the thread instead of admitting defeat.😂

Yeah talk about your own alt,you know the one who started a posting spree exactly when you decided to take a break.

Like i say to pedro and Archangel this is great because lemming LOVE OLD GAMES.

Now i suppose you will buy a PS5 since you know it will be BC with all PS4 games which not even the xbox series X does.🤣🤣🤣

@tdkmillsy said:

I used to have an iPhone and switched to Android, best move I done :)

I think you confuse this thread with one about crying for xcloud not been on ios.😂

This one is about the ownage of all the lemmings who claimed the PS5 will not play all PS4 games.

@gifford38 said:
@Pedro said:

I am not sure why this matters because I was told routinely by Sony fannies that they don't care about BC. 😎

no we care more about next gen games more or AAA exclusives. the bc is just icing on the cake.

The fun part is that this claim the PS5 will play all PS4 games,which not even the xbox series X does,as Kinect games are not supported and Kinect either.

And Pedro damage control it by claiming no one wanted Kinect,something he can't prove and even if it was true,would not change the fact that MS force people to get something they drop entirely even from BC on hardware and software there are millions of kinect games and cameras on hands on xbox one owners including this place.

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#37 Phlop_Spencer
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@Duckyindiana: why are you so mad? Are you upset that Playstation is about to dominate yet another gen?

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#38 Gifford38
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@speedytimsi said:

I expect to play PS4 games on PS5 if i decide to get a PS5.

But what about PS1 & PS2 games? I just wish they open that library up on either their storefront or PSNow type of service going forward.

one thing that be good to have ps1 games work is the fact there be a cd player in the consoles again. ps4 did not have a cd player.

yes i wish they put at least the top 100 of each system ps1,ps2,ps3,and now ps4 games on the psnow then it be a killer.

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#39  Edited By deactivated-5f3ec00254b0d
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@gifford38: I think it's more about Sony not wanting the PS4 to read CDs than not having a CD drive.

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#40  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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@ProtossRushX said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:
@Telekill said:

Fantastic news if it holds true. I applaud Microsoft for restarting the backwards compatibility train.

It's good to see at least one PS fan acknowledging this.

Anyway, I'll believe this when I see it though.

No dude im not acknowledging shit.

The PS2 and Played PS1 games

The PS3 played PS2 games and PS1 games.

And it didn't make you download the an emulated version it just ran off the system no frame rate dips are garbage like the xbox one which struggles to emulate good 360 games.

Xbox copied sony and nintendo they did BC way before.

You're so full of it, man. I feel like you need to slow down, breathe, and do more research on like half the rants you make.

The PS2 was not fully BC, and it WAS dependent on SOFTWARE emulation. The later models of PS2 lost even more BC, and in fact were unable to play some PS2 games made for the earlier versions of the PS2 itself.

The PS3 initially had decent PS2-PS1 BC because it had a hardware solution, but very early in the lifetime it switched to a full software emulation solution - which was rather imperfect; and in the later half of its lifecycle it lost PS2 BC entirely.

Sony abandoned the scheme entirely with the PS4 - by choice; they developed a PS2-1 emulator for the PS4, but they used it to sell PS2-1 games instead of just allowing you to install the emulator and use it free like they did on the PS3 and PS2 for their BC implementations.

Sony dropped the ball. MS indeed pushed a rebirth. Nobody is claiming MS "invented" or "started" the BC trend, they are noting that MS re-introduced free BC. Which is completely true.

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#41 Telekill
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@ProtossRushX: You're correct that it was being done by Sony and Nintendo well before Microsoft jumped in... but... that's why I phrased it as "restarting the backwards compatibility train."

Sony stopped BC with PS4. It sucked. I'm happy to see that Sony is following Microsoft's BC movement. It was a smart move for both.

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#42 tormentos
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@Telekill said:

@ProtossRushX: You're correct that it was being done by Sony and Nintendo well before Microsoft jumped in... but... that's why I phrased it as "restarting the backwards compatibility train."

Sony stopped BC with PS4. It sucked. I'm happy to see that Sony is following Microsoft's BC movement. It was a smart move for both.

Sony stopped BC not even half way of the PS3.

The only reason BC is a big deal is because of lemmings who cry BC is the be all end all of gaming,because lets face it they need it a win this gen and is about the only thing MS could deliver,fact is the highest rated xbox one games are 360 games not xbox one games,they have been abysmal on that from.

Why do i say this?

Because i know i was there in 2006 when the PS3 was BC with more than 7000 games from PS1 and PS2,and lemmings could not care less about BC,in fact the mantra around the internet for the first 2 or 3 years of the PS3 life was that the PS3 had no games.

When in reality it had PS3 ps2 and ps1 games biggest catalog of games for a single console ever,which MS try to imply recently with the seriesX and which is a lie as the series X is not BC with as many games as the PS3 was.

BC is a nice feature on launch if when few games are available and if you sold your PS4 or trade it in,2 years into the generation the PS4 was getting great games the xbox one was getting Red Dead Redemption from 360 which even spiked sales of the game for 360 and make it even chart.

That sad the xbox one was,something you will not find on xbox 360 if you look, at the same time frame back hell in 2007 Halo 3 hit,gears was already out,bioshock,ghost recond,oblivion,lost planet,saints row and many others.

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#43 Telekill
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@tormentos: You're not wrong but I chose to give Microsoft credit for pushing BC. I'm betting had MS not been pushing this, that PS5 would not have BC either.

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@tormentos said:

Sony stopped BC not even half way of the PS3.

The only reason BC is a big deal is because of lemmings who cry BC is the be all end all of gaming,because lets face it they need it a win this gen and is about the only thing MS could deliver,fact is the highest rated xbox one games are 360 games not xbox one games,they have been abysmal on that from.

Why do i say this?

Because i know i was there in 2006 when the PS3 was BC with more than 7000 games from PS1 and PS2,and lemmings could not care less about BC,in fact the mantra around the internet for the first 2 or 3 years of the PS3 life was that the PS3 had no games.

When in reality it had PS3 ps2 and ps1 games biggest catalog of games for a single console ever,which MS try to imply recently with the seriesX and which is a lie as the series X is not BC with as many games as the PS3 was.

BC is a nice feature on launch if when few games are available and if you sold your PS4 or trade it in,2 years into the generation the PS4 was getting great games the xbox one was getting Red Dead Redemption from 360 which even spiked sales of the game for 360 and make it even chart.

That sad the xbox one was,something you will not find on xbox 360 if you look, at the same time frame back hell in 2007 Halo 3 hit,gears was already out,bioshock,ghost recond,oblivion,lost planet,saints row and many others.

No you moron, people said it was a good option and nice feature to have especially since it wasn't expected. Cows like you then started chiming in talking about how it was needed and how no one buys new consoles to play old games. No Xbox fan claimed it was the end all be all.

Your head of so far up Sony's ass you could never get your stories straight. It's like you have no choice but to lie to get some fictional point across.

Lems didn't care about BC in the 1st few years of PS3s life? And you know this how? I don't recall anyone making a big deal about BC one way or the other. It was barely even a topic back then so why you lying once again?

Yes the "mantra" in the 1st couple years of the PS3 was no games...as in no PS3 games clown. Not as in no old PS2 or PS1 games. Damn you're the biggest clown on SWs

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#46 tdkmillsy
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@kingtito said:
@tormentos said:

Sony stopped BC not even half way of the PS3.

The only reason BC is a big deal is because of lemmings who cry BC is the be all end all of gaming,because lets face it they need it a win this gen and is about the only thing MS could deliver,fact is the highest rated xbox one games are 360 games not xbox one games,they have been abysmal on that from.

Why do i say this?

Because i know i was there in 2006 when the PS3 was BC with more than 7000 games from PS1 and PS2,and lemmings could not care less about BC,in fact the mantra around the internet for the first 2 or 3 years of the PS3 life was that the PS3 had no games.

When in reality it had PS3 ps2 and ps1 games biggest catalog of games for a single console ever,which MS try to imply recently with the seriesX and which is a lie as the series X is not BC with as many games as the PS3 was.

BC is a nice feature on launch if when few games are available and if you sold your PS4 or trade it in,2 years into the generation the PS4 was getting great games the xbox one was getting Red Dead Redemption from 360 which even spiked sales of the game for 360 and make it even chart.

That sad the xbox one was,something you will not find on xbox 360 if you look, at the same time frame back hell in 2007 Halo 3 hit,gears was already out,bioshock,ghost recond,oblivion,lost planet,saints row and many others.

No you moron, people said it was a good option and nice feature to have especially since it wasn't expected. Cows like you then started chiming in talking about how it was needed and how no one buys new consoles to play old games. No Xbox fan claimed it was the end all be all.

Your head of so far up Sony's ass you could never get your stories straight. It's like you have no choice but to lie to get some fictional point across.

Lems didn't care about BC in the 1st few years of PS3s life? And you know this how? I don't recall anyone making a big deal about BC one way or the other. It was barely even a topic back then so why you lying once again?

Yes the "mantra" in the 1st couple years of the PS3 was no games...as in no PS3 games clown. Not as in no old PS2 or PS1 games. Damn you're the biggest clown on SWs

Cos he lives in the past as it safer there.

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So let me understand this....Marc Cerny says most of PS4's top 100 most played games will work at launch - and we're not supposed to trust him, and a gamer streamer posted a tweet saying every single game will work - and his word is gospel?

As always, Cows are as confused as the people putting out the tumourstation 5.

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@tormentos said:
@Telekill said:

@ProtossRushX: You're correct that it was being done by Sony and Nintendo well before Microsoft jumped in... but... that's why I phrased it as "restarting the backwards compatibility train."

Sony stopped BC with PS4. It sucked. I'm happy to see that Sony is following Microsoft's BC movement. It was a smart move for both.

Sony stopped BC not even half way of the PS3.

The only reason BC is a big deal is because of lemmings who cry BC is the be all end all of gaming,because lets face it they need it a win this gen and is about the only thing MS could deliver,fact is the highest rated xbox one games are 360 games not xbox one games,they have been abysmal on that from.

Why do i say this?

Because i know i was there in 2006 when the PS3 was BC with more than 7000 games from PS1 and PS2,and lemmings could not care less about BC,in fact the mantra around the internet for the first 2 or 3 years of the PS3 life was that the PS3 had no games.

When in reality it had PS3 ps2 and ps1 games biggest catalog of games for a single console ever,which MS try to imply recently with the seriesX and which is a lie as the series X is not BC with as many games as the PS3 was.

BC is a nice feature on launch if when few games are available and if you sold your PS4 or trade it in,2 years into the generation the PS4 was getting great games the xbox one was getting Red Dead Redemption from 360 which even spiked sales of the game for 360 and make it even chart.

That sad the xbox one was,something you will not find on xbox 360 if you look, at the same time frame back hell in 2007 Halo 3 hit,gears was already out,bioshock,ghost recond,oblivion,lost planet,saints row and many others.

You don't get to quote facts as if you know what you're talking about.....you still think PSNow means you don't need PSN+.

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@xantufrog said:
@ProtossRushX said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:
@Telekill said:

Fantastic news if it holds true. I applaud Microsoft for restarting the backwards compatibility train.

It's good to see at least one PS fan acknowledging this.

Anyway, I'll believe this when I see it though.

No dude im not acknowledging shit.

The PS2 and Played PS1 games

The PS3 played PS2 games and PS1 games.

And it didn't make you download the an emulated version it just ran off the system no frame rate dips are garbage like the xbox one which struggles to emulate good 360 games.

Xbox copied sony and nintendo they did BC way before.

You're so full of it, man. I feel like you need to slow down, breathe, and do more research on like half the rants you make.

The PS2 was not fully BC, and it WAS dependent on SOFTWARE emulation. The later models of PS2 lost even more BC, and in fact were unable to play some PS2 games made for the earlier versions of the PS2 itself.

The PS3 initially had decent PS2-PS1 BC because it had a hardware solution, but very early in the lifetime it switched to a full software emulation solution - which was rather imperfect; and in the later half of its lifecycle it lost PS2 BC entirely.

Sony abandoned the scheme entirely with the PS4 - by choice; they developed a PS2-1 emulator for the PS4, but they used it to sell PS2-1 games instead of just allowing you to install the emulator and use it free like they did on the PS3 and PS2 for their BC implementations.

Sony dropped the ball. MS indeed pushed a rebirth. Nobody is claiming MS "invented" or "started" the BC trend, they are noting that MS re-introduced free BC. Which is completely true.

You're making too much sense dude... you'll hurt his brain. Let him live in his fantasy land.

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@ProtossRushX said:
@Pedro said:

I am not sure why this matters because I was told routinely by Sony fannies that they don't care about BC. 😎

Bro you always call us Sony Fannies you haven't said Microsoft fannies once on here even when microsoft does bad stuff.

lol problem is Pedro hasn't thought about that until this instant. his lack of self-awareness has been exposed lmao.