1998-1999 - When "X-BOX" was just a *rumor* which Microsoft denied (online & print articles)

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Microsoft reportedly working on game console

Apr 27, 1998 Paul Thurrott | Windows IT Pro

Microsoft Corporation reportedly intends to allow its next-generation WebTV device to compete with the Nintendo 64 and Sony Playstation game consoles. The story is rather complicated, but it goes something like this: A few years ago, a company called 3DO was working its own next-generation game console, which was dubbed the M2. The M2 contained three key technologies which were pretty impressive for their day: DVD playback, MPEG3 decoding, and a new chipset called MX. When it became clear that 3DO was going to have to exit the hardware market for financial reasons, it sold the M2 technology to Samsung, which created a division called CagEnt that had two years to make money with it.

CagEnt's MX chipset from the M2 technology utilized two PowerPC 602 microprocessors at the time: the same CPU that powers Apple Macintosh computers. In late 1997, Nintendo visited CagEnt in search of a new 3D chipset since its relationship with Silicon Graphics had fallen apart and sales of the Nintendo 64 were slower than expected. In early 1998, Nintendo officially terminated its relationship with ailing Silicon Graphics and offered to buy CagEnt outright.

While details of the sale continued, Nintendo worked with CagEnt to wrap its MX chipset around a MiPS processor, as the company's consoles use NEC MiPS CPUs, not PowerPC. The plan was for the new MX-based machine, complete with hardware 3D, DVD-ROM, and cartridge capabilities to be ready in time for Christmas 1999. Unfortunately for Nintendo, talks with Samsung broke down within a few months.

That's where Microsoft stepped in.

In Early April, the company bought CagEnt through its WebTV division, acquiring all of the assets of CagEnt and its key personnel. Microsoft's plan is to use the MX technology as the core of its next WebTV device, which will clearly be used for more than Email and Web browsing. In fact, Microsoft has quietly been gaining the knowledge it needs to compete in the game console market through its parternship with Sega and it's likely that a Microsoft-backed, Windows CE-based WebTV device could even be co-created with that company.

All this puts Nintendo in a bind, of course, and the company will be unable to create a new console in time for Christmas 1999 now. Its current plan is for the next device to reach stores in late 2000 instead, though its unclear who they will be able to partner with to make such a goal.

http://windowsitpro.com/windows-server/microsoft-reportedly-working-game-console

Microsoft's X-Box: Fight for the future?

Summary: As rumors fly about a Microsoft game console, one thing's clear: It has the team to make it.

September 27, 1999

This month's reports that Microsoft is working on a game console to rival Sony's PlayStation 2 came as little surprise to at least one industry executive.

"I guarantee you that if there's a group that knows how to build a video game machine, it's the one inside (Microsoft subsidiary) WebTV," said Hugh Martin, former CEO of 3DO Systems Inc., which challenged the established video game industry more than five years ago.

Martin, now CEO at Optical Networks Inc., should know. You see, those WebTV engineers used to work for him at 3DO.

If WebTV does produce the rumored console, it will mark the end of a long trek for those engineers.

Long journey

When Martin was at 3DO, it was a hot startup, bringing a 32-bit game console to market almost two years before Sony produced the PlayStation. But in 1996, 3DO faced the truth: It had lost the war, selling only a million units. It scrapped its plans for a 64-bit next-generation device, known as the M2, and sold its hardware division to Samsung, a Korean consumer electronics manufacturer.

Samsung had its new company, now called CagEnt, poised to excel in the PC graphics market, scoring deals with arcade machine maker Konami and semiconductor manufacturer Cirrus Logic. By spring 1997, however, both deals had crumbled and an ailing Samsung was looking to sell CagEnt.

After a near-miss with Nintendo, Samsung sold the group to WebTV, which was by then a Microsoft subsidiary. The engineers, and almost all of the advanced graphics technology -- moved with the company. "Those guys are still there," said Martin. "They are inside WebTV in Palo Alto (Calif.)."

WebTV is open about why they bought CagEnt.

"(CagEnt) had both the intellectual property and people that we were interested in," said Alan Yates, director of marketing at WebTV Networks. While he would not confirm the existence of the X-Box project, Yates admitted, "You will see future versions of WebTV that will use the video capabilities that we acquired, as well as the 3-D capabilities."

Yates added that, while the technology was there to make an X-Box device, "our strategy right now is very, very clear: to provide additional functionality for TV."

That may change, and quickly, analysts said. With Sony using the PlayStation 2 as a "Trojan horse" to become the center of home entertainment, Microsoft should be looking at games as well.

"For Microsoft to get plugged into (the gaming console market) would not be a big stretch for them," said Jae Kim, analyst with entertainment technology watcher Paul Kagan Associates. "At the very least, it would provide another gateway into the living room."

Game developers think so, too.

"Can you see 200 million connections to the Internet and Microsoft not being a part of it?" asked one gaming industry source on condition of anonymity.

What about Dreamcast?

Still, some analysts doubted the reports, questioning why Microsoft would pursue a new game machine when its partner, Sega, has created a successful one already.

"Dreamcast meets all the goals they would set for such a device," said Peter Glaskowsky, graphics guru at chip technology researcher MicroDesign Resources Inc.

And Sega stresses that the working relationship with Microsoft could not be better. "Microsoft has been extremely supportive," said Charles Bellfield, director of marketing for Sega of America Inc.

Bellfield could not confirm the rumors of the mysterious game device. "I am sure that Microsoft is developing a whole range of products that will never see the light of day."

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-x-box-fight-for-the-future

I'm posting all this for a variety of reasons. Mainly so that people who have never read these articles can do so.

Yes, there was a time when the idea of Microsoft entering the console race was considered laughable, and even when rumors & credible reports of Microsoft's X-Box console were published, many did not believe it, said it would never happen, etc. The market was already dominated by Nintendo, Sony, and to an ever-lesser extent, Sega. Other companies tried, and failed when they entered the market (NEC, Panasonic/3DO), buy Microsoft not only had the money, but the will to make a beachhead.

Things really heated up towards the end of 1999, heading into the new millennium.

Next Gen magazine, from late 1999 -->

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Don't know what's the purpose of this thread?

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@davillain- said:

Don't know what's the purpose of this thread?

The point was, simply to show what the game industry was thinking at the time, about Microsoft potentially entering the console space and how the original Xbox came to be, for those who haven't read about it before.

I have more articles I'll post later this afternoon, on GDC 2000 where Xbox was officially announced.

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Interesting thread. It would be cool to see historical content like this on the actual GS website.

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@scrollinglayers: I get that but what I mean is, why does it matter now when the year is 2016? Those ideas are far behind us, it's nice to look back as to what MS was planing to do by going to console business at the time but I just don't see why this is a big deal now.

I was there, picking up my first Xbox console along with Halo: Combat Evolve on November 15, 2001 after school. I love the Xbox so much, playing Halo: CE was like owning a PC of it's time. Other games like Star Wars: Knight of the Old republic, Advent Rising, Dino Crisis 3, Blinks the Time Sweeper, Halo 2, and so much more. Xbox was a cool gaming system back then, it's a damn shame MS didn't learn what made Xbox brand famous for.

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I'm not a fan of a lot of what Xbox represents but I will say that they vastly improved console online infrastructure which made Sony follow suit. I can't knock them for that.

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Reading those mags is like going back in time. MS/Sony needs to find a way to have the latest n greatest tech when a new system launches because when its a known fact that "next gen" is already outdated by 2-4 years, its just a disappointing mess. Go back to prototype hardware and leave the off the shelf stuff to pc.

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The 3DO was better than any xbox ever created.

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@dakur said:

The 3DO was better than any xbox ever created.

The Atari Jaguar was better than any Xbox.

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@flyincloud1116 said:
@dakur said:

The 3DO was better than any xbox ever created.

The Atari Jaguar was better than any Xbox.

That too but I was being gentle.

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@dakur said:
@flyincloud1116 said:
@dakur said:

The 3DO was better than any xbox ever created.

The Atari Jaguar was better than any Xbox.

That too but I was being gentle.

No, kick em in the gut.

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A lot of people push the view that the XBox is the successor to the Dreamcast, but when you read the history it seems clear that MS used its partnership with Sega as an opportunity to do early R&D for their own machine at reduced risk to themselves. The fact is, they were developing their own competitor to the Dreamcast while the Dreamcast was alive and the partnership was active. It's not shocking, but it's typical big corporation opportunism and I find it silly when people try to pretend the XBox is somehow the rightful heir to the hipster cred of the DC

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@dakur said:

The 3DO was better than any xbox ever created.

The M2 would have combined the best aspects of PS1 (CD-ROM) and Nintendo 64 (smooth 3D graphics) with greater CPU + GPU performance, plus more RAM.

Then there was the MX, even better specs, embedded VRAM. Nintendo noticed it, nearly bought the tech and CagEnt (former 3DO systems, under Samsung) to get a successor to the N64 out by late 1999.

Everything went to $hit on that deal though, and Project Dolphin was born, with new partners; ArtX and IBM. The GameCube could be considered to be, the best ideas of MX, with all-new hardware.

That was back in the days when Nintendo was at least somewhat competitive with Sony and Microsoft in terms of console performance.

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@xantufrog said:

A lot of people push the view that the XBox is the successor to the Dreamcast, but when you read the history it seems clear that MS used its partnership with Sega as an opportunity to do early R&D for their own machine at reduced risk to themselves. The fact is, they were developing their own competitor to the Dreamcast while the Dreamcast was alive and the partnership was active. It's not shocking, but it's typical big corporation opportunism and I find it silly when people try to pretend the XBox is somehow the rightful heir to the hipster cred of the DC

Spiritual successor, as Xbox had a lot of obscure games not available elsewhere just like the Dreamcast and a pretty strong partnership with Sega. I'd say the Xbox is what the Dreamcast could of and should have been.

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#15  Edited By deactivated-5d1e44cf96229
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@xantufrog said:

A lot of people push the view that the XBox is the successor to the Dreamcast, but when you read the history it seems clear that MS used its partnership with Sega as an opportunity to do early R&D for their own machine at reduced risk to themselves. The fact is, they were developing their own competitor to the Dreamcast while the Dreamcast was alive and the partnership was active. It's not shocking, but it's typical big corporation opportunism and I find it silly when people try to pretend the XBox is somehow the rightful heir to the hipster cred of the DC

It's not the successor to the Dreamcast, but the Xbox, more than any other console, felt like the spiritual successor to the Dreamcast in many ways such as:

  • The Xbox controller design felt like an evolved Dreamcast controller.
  • Xbox picked up the ball where the Dreamcast left off in pushing online gaming forward.
  • The Xbox at the time was considered an underdog system just like the Dreamcast was despite the fact that both the Dreamcast and Xbox had much more forward-thinking designs and features than the Playstation 2 and Gamecube did during that generation.
  • Many of Sega's franchises that would have been released on Dreamcast if it lived on were continued on Xbox after the Dreamcast died.
  • Microsoft launched the Xbox Live Arcade service which focused on arcadey games which is a style of games that Sega was always strongly focused on.
  • The Xbox even had Sega's former President during the Dreamcast era, Peter Moore. Moore even said before the Xbox launched that he felt "the Dreamcast handed the baton and the dream to the Xbox"

I think it's safe to say that if Sega had released a Dreamcast 2, it would have felt very similar to the Xbox.

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Yeah many of us have been gaming since Pong. We lived through this. This seems more a general games discussion thread. What about this is SW worthy?

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#17  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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@storm_of_swords: this is fair and true (although I found the DC controller substantially more comfortable than the original XBox one!)

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As promised, additional articles on X-BOX, mainly from GDC 2000 XBox announcement / reveal. There was a mix of pre-rendered CG videos and real-time demos using the most powerful PC graphics card Nvidia had at the time; the GeForce 2 GTS (aka NV15) which would be released for PCs a month or so later. The final XBOX was slated to have a graphics processor several GPU-generations beyond that. The end product wasn't quite as powerful as promised, but still well beyond PS2.

note: I did not think to make this thread in general games discussion, sorry about that.

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I wish people took backwards compatibility with the Original Xbox seriously. Microsoft announces BC aaaaand... it's for the 360, which I don't care about, whose main games I can buy from XBLA arcade anyways.

"Well if you want to play OG Xbox games, just buy one." I have an OG Xbox, which is slowly dying. The disk drive has failed before which I replaced myself. I clean out the dust from the console every couple of years or so. But the machine itself is starting to get slower (maybe the hard drive? I don't know).

I shouldn't have to keep Frankenstein-ing my console together just to play great games that Microsoft doesn't care about (they'll repackage games like Halo, but nobody carea about games like TimeSplitters).

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#20  Edited By jun_aka_pekto
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I remember those articles. Those were nothing compared to the forum traffic on the eve of Halo's original release on the PC and Mac. To me, MS acquiring Bungie was a bigger coup than the XBox itself.

Forumers were doing their usual platform wars antics, "Halo's not on ________ platform. Ha Ha!" Then, all of a sudden, silence from Bungie. The speculations were deafening and then collective shock once the game was announced to be releasing initially on......XBox.

I thought it was funny even though I was one of those in the PC camp who was expecting it. ;)

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@scrollinglayers: one oddity there in that last page - the PS2 actually did have 1920*1080 output. Still, no question that XBox was more powerful by far

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#22  Edited By deactivated-5f26ed7cf0697
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An amazing console. Thank You MS.

Light years above the crappy PS2.

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cows and fair weather fans can cry all they want. Variety is a good thing for gaming.

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@oflow said:

cows and fair weather fans can cry all they want. Variety is a good thing for gaming.

Definitely true, and competition is healthy for the industry, gamers and consumers in general.

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Great thread, of course many cows would be salty.

Microsoft changed the gaming industry, and in a way pushed it forward by proving an online service like Live does work, one of the best console gaming innovations ever.

Thanks MS.

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Original X-Box might as well be considered Dreamcast 2 which would make XB1 the Dreamcast 4. The Dreamcast never died only evolved.

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@xantufrog said:

A lot of people push the view that the XBox is the successor to the Dreamcast, but when you read the history it seems clear that MS used its partnership with Sega as an opportunity to do early R&D for their own machine at reduced risk to themselves. The fact is, they were developing their own competitor to the Dreamcast while the Dreamcast was alive and the partnership was active. It's not shocking, but it's typical big corporation opportunism and I find it silly when people try to pretend the XBox is somehow the rightful heir to the hipster cred of the DC

Actually Sega was in talks with Microsoft when they were building the XBOX to the point that Sega wanted the Xbox to be able to run Dreamcast software. The original team who designed the Xbox's controller even admitted they used the Dreamcast controller as a point of reference.

Its pretty obvious when you look at the original Xbox's software how it took over for the Dreamcast.

I think Xbox is to Dreamcast as PS1 is to the SNES.

http://kotaku.com/5859934/the-xbox-was-as-close-as-we-got-to-a-dreamcast-2



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@emgesp said:

Original X-Box might as well be considered Dreamcast 2 which would make XB1 the Dreamcast 4. The Dreamcast never died only evolved.

Yep, I agree.

Scorpio then, would be Dreamcast 4XX or Dreamcast 5.

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OG Xbox also has the distinction as the finest Day One VG console launch in history with games like, Halo CE, Project Gotham Racing, Ghost Recon Dead or Alive 3 and Fusion Frenzy. I got all of them day one with OG Xbox and they were all phenom. :D

Don't think I got any sleep the first month of owning the system. :P

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OG Xbox also has the distinction as the finest Day One VG console launch in history with games like, Halo CE, Project Gotham Racing, Ghost Recon Dead or Alive 3 and Fusion Frenzy. I got all of them day one with OG Xbox and they were all phenom. :D

Don't think I got any sleep the first month of owning the system. :P

GRAW wasn't a launch title

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One thing I really like about Xbox is Halo pretty much brought online play to the norm

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@silversix_ said:
@SecretPolice said:

OG Xbox also has the distinction as the finest Day One VG console launch in history with games like, Halo CE, Project Gotham Racing, Ghost Recon Dead or Alive 3 and Fusion Frenzy. I got all of them day one with OG Xbox and they were all phenom. :D

Don't think I got any sleep the first month of owning the system. :P

GRAW wasn't a launch title

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WTH you talking about Advanced Warfighter for? Oh I see now, you're a real nub who was stuck with the crap FPS on the poo, PS2.. lol

The very first Ghost Recon was a Xbox launch title ya big freakin nub. :P

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@SecretPolice said:
@silversix_ said:
@SecretPolice said:

OG Xbox also has the distinction as the finest Day One VG console launch in history with games like, Halo CE, Project Gotham Racing, Ghost Recon Dead or Alive 3 and Fusion Frenzy. I got all of them day one with OG Xbox and they were all phenom. :D

Don't think I got any sleep the first month of owning the system. :P

GRAW wasn't a launch title

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WTH you talking about Advanced Warfighter for? Oh I see now, you're a real nub who was stuck with the crap FPS on the poo, PS2.. lol

The very first Ghost Recon was a Xbox launch title ya big freakin nub. :P

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The Poo is reserved for 2016. Had the Xbox and it was my fav of that gen, it was actually good... not like the current Xbone. Advanced Warfighter came out in Spring 06 very close to Oblivion, both of which i got on day one. Fail.

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@silversix_ said:
@SecretPolice said:
@silversix_ said:
@SecretPolice said:

OG Xbox also has the distinction as the finest Day One VG console launch in history with games like, Halo CE, Project Gotham Racing, Ghost Recon Dead or Alive 3 and Fusion Frenzy. I got all of them day one with OG Xbox and they were all phenom. :D

Don't think I got any sleep the first month of owning the system. :P

GRAW wasn't a launch title

-1

WTH you talking about Advanced Warfighter for? Oh I see now, you're a real nub who was stuck with the crap FPS on the poo, PS2.. lol

The very first Ghost Recon was a Xbox launch title ya big freakin nub. :P

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The Poo is reserved for 2016. Had the Xbox and it was my fav of that gen, it was actually good... not like the current Xbone. Advanced Warfighter came out in Spring 06 very close to Oblivion, both of which i got on day one. Fail.

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Haha, blah, blah ohh ummm GR:AW came out in 2006.. Yeah, no shit Sherlock, GR came out 2001 and just like I said, launched with Xbox. .... Ya got yo ass handed to you, accept the fail, cows coming after da SP should be used to that by now. :P

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@SecretPolice said:
@silversix_ said:
@SecretPolice said:
@silversix_ said:
@SecretPolice said:

OG Xbox also has the distinction as the finest Day One VG console launch in history with games like, Halo CE, Project Gotham Racing, Ghost Recon Dead or Alive 3 and Fusion Frenzy. I got all of them day one with OG Xbox and they were all phenom. :D

Don't think I got any sleep the first month of owning the system. :P

GRAW wasn't a launch title

-1

WTH you talking about Advanced Warfighter for? Oh I see now, you're a real nub who was stuck with the crap FPS on the poo, PS2.. lol

The very first Ghost Recon was a Xbox launch title ya big freakin nub. :P

-1000000

The Poo is reserved for 2016. Had the Xbox and it was my fav of that gen, it was actually good... not like the current Xbone. Advanced Warfighter came out in Spring 06 very close to Oblivion, both of which i got on day one. Fail.

-100000000.

Haha, blah, blah ohh ummm GR:AW came out in 2006.. Yeah, no shit Sherlock, GR came out 2001 and just like I said, launched with Xbox. .... Ya got yo ass handed to you, accept the fail, cows coming after da SP should be used to that by now. :P

For some reason i was thinking of the 360 which is your fault. Accept it.

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#36 SecretPolice
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@SecretPolice said:
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GRAW wasn't a launch title

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WTH you talking about Advanced Warfighter for? Oh I see now, you're a real nub who was stuck with the crap FPS on the poo, PS2.. lol

The very first Ghost Recon was a Xbox launch title ya big freakin nub. :P

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The Poo is reserved for 2016. Had the Xbox and it was my fav of that gen, it was actually good... not like the current Xbone. Advanced Warfighter came out in Spring 06 very close to Oblivion, both of which i got on day one. Fail.

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Haha, blah, blah ohh ummm GR:AW came out in 2006.. Yeah, no shit Sherlock, GR came out 2001 and just like I said, launched with Xbox. .... Ya got yo ass handed to you, accept the fail, cows coming after da SP should be used to that by now. :P

For some reason i was thinking of the 360 which is your fault. Accept it.

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#37 ScrollingLayers
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I bought my OG XBox when Panzer Dragoon Orta came out here in early 2003. Started playing and I was like, AWWW Yeaah this is Dreamcast 2 :)

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#38 xantufrog  Moderator
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Original X-Box might as well be considered Dreamcast 2 which would make XB1 the Dreamcast 4. The Dreamcast never died only evolved.

lol, I can see the argument about spiritual succession with the original XBox, but by the 360 it had lost almost all of the funky vibe of the DC and the X1 has zero DC character it its library (maybe SSOD... )

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#39 deactivated-5cd08b1605da1
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lol

For some reason I read the title as "when x-box was just a tumor" and I was about to enter the thread and agree with the sentence.

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#40 Jag85
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A big reason why Microsoft entered the console market is because they weren't confident that their partner Sega could take on the PS2 with the Dreamcast. It's not like they were working on it behind Sega's back, but Sega probably already knew about it. Before Sega announced their departure in 2000, they were already in talks with Microsoft about making the Xbox backwards-compatible with Dreamcast games, but that fell through when Sega insisted that it should support SegaNet, which Microsoft refuse to support; SegaNet was more popular than Xbox Live in its early years, so it makes sense why Microsoft refused to support SegaNet.

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#41  Edited By emgesp
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@xantufrog said:
@emgesp said:

Original X-Box might as well be considered Dreamcast 2 which would make XB1 the Dreamcast 4. The Dreamcast never died only evolved.

lol, I can see the argument about spiritual succession with the original XBox, but by the 360 it had lost almost all of the funky vibe of the DC and the X1 has zero DC character it its library (maybe SSOD... )

Agreed, but thats not really Microsoft's fault that gamers tastes changed from less Arcade like experiences to more realistic and serious games. I miss those classic Sega Arcade style games.

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#42 xantufrog  Moderator
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@emgesp: me too :-( i dread the day my old sega systems die (although the OG Genesis is back in production for Brazil, so for a premium one can probably get a new one with some effort

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#43 emgesp
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@xantufrog said:

@emgesp: me too :-( i dread the day my old sega systems die (although the OG Genesis is back in production for Brazil, so for a premium one can probably get a new one with some effort

Is Brazil Pal or NTSC?

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#44 xantufrog  Moderator
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@emgesp: oh damn, good point - I think it's PAL

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#45  Edited By hrt_rulz01
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That was quite interesting to read... thanks for posting it.

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#46 Jag85
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@emgesp said:
@xantufrog said:
@emgesp said:

Original X-Box might as well be considered Dreamcast 2 which would make XB1 the Dreamcast 4. The Dreamcast never died only evolved.

lol, I can see the argument about spiritual succession with the original XBox, but by the 360 it had lost almost all of the funky vibe of the DC and the X1 has zero DC character it its library (maybe SSOD... )

Agreed, but thats not really Microsoft's fault that gamers tastes changed from less Arcade like experiences to more realistic and serious games. I miss those classic Sega Arcade style games.

The 360 had Xbox Live Arcade. But that was the last time Xbox had anything in common with the Dreamcast.

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#47 ScrollingLayers
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@Jag85 said:

A big reason why Microsoft entered the console market is because they weren't confident that their partner Sega could take on the PS2 with the Dreamcast. It's not like they were working on it behind Sega's back, but Sega probably already knew about it. Before Sega announced their departure in 2000, they were already in talks with Microsoft about making the Xbox backwards-compatible with Dreamcast games, but that fell through when Sega insisted that it should support SegaNet, which Microsoft refuse to support; SegaNet was more popular than Xbox Live in its early years, so it makes sense why Microsoft refused to support SegaNet.

Sega announced their departure from hardware at the end of January 2001, but otherwise that is all true.

Sega was actually in the early stages of planning a successor to Dreamcast, as of mid 2000, before they pulled the plug.

https://web.archive.org/web/20031123195410/http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2000/6/12-69

Also:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sega-microsoft-ties-are-over/1100-2577163/

Sega-Microsoft Ties Are Over?

Ties between Sega and Microsoft are over, and a possible successor to the Dreamcast emerges.

Nikkei Computer reports that ties between Sega and Microsoft are over -- the comment comes from CSK chairman and newly appointed president of Sega of Japan, Isao Okawa. In the past, both companies have had strong ties in the development of the Dreamcast console, where a customized version of Windows CE is used as the machine's OS. Sega has also been working closely with Microsoft's console Xbox, until negotiations broke down regarding a possible Dreamcast compatibility. Previously, it was mentioned that one of Sega's future roles with Microsoft was to become the OEM manufacturer of the Xbox, but with Okawa's recent comment, that possibility is now even slimmer.

"Sega will now be working on network-related projects without the help of Microsoft, and is currently developing the successor to the Dreamcast - a completely separate hardware from the Xbox," Nikkei Computer reports.

At this point, Sega of Japan has not officially confirmed the existence of its new gaming console. GameSpot News will keep you posted.

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Og Xbox was pretty cool at the time. I wish I gave it a chance, but I was a big Nintendo fanboy back in the day.

I favored the GameCube more. Since I was a kid and had to get games as gifts I opted for more Gamecube games. Nintendo games were at the height of quality and they were safe bets because I didn't want to waste my parent's money.

Later, my xbox got caught in a basement flood during heavy rain (who the hell put my console box on the floor!?). I never got to play shenmue, Jet set radio future and many other titles. I would gladly welcome Og Xbox back compatibility.

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#50 pyro1245
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The OG Xbox was awesome because you could install 3rd party OS on it.