Tough time for PSU...tougher times for the victims

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Lots of creepy/terrible details.
But long story short (at this point):
"Former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky is accused of...sexually abus(ing) eight boys -- preteens and young teenagers -- over a 15-year period."

Penn State apparently knew and pulled the 'pass the buck up' routine.
A grad assistant caught him in the shower with a 10 year old boy and told Joe Pa.
Joe Pa told his bosses but did nothing more and is now saying he feels betrayed 'if true'...seriously...wow :?

Terribly sad story on all fronts. But even more disheartening/sickening considering that those in charge knew and did nothing
Thoughts?

I'm guessing this will be Paterno's last year and then he retires/resigns. JML897

Penn State apparently knew and pulled the 'pass the buck up' routine.
A grad assistant caught him in the shower with a 10 year old boy and told Joe Pa.
Joe Pa told his bosses but did nothing more and is now saying he feels betrayed 'if true'...seriously...wow :?

rawsavon

Not true, read it again so you can stop making things up

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Penn State apparently knew and pulled the 'pass the buck up' routine.
A grad assistant caught him in the shower with a 10 year old boy and told Joe Pa.
Joe Pa told his bosses but did nothing more and is now saying he feels betrayed 'if true'...seriously...wow :?

Jaysonguy

Not true, read it again so you can stop making things up

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Penn State apparently knew and pulled the 'pass the buck up' routine.
A grad assistant caught him in the shower with a 10 year old boy and told Joe Pa.
Joe Pa told his bosses but did nothing more and is now saying he feels betrayed 'if true'...seriously...wow :?

rawsavon

Not true, read it again so you can stop making things up

We do not know exactly what the graduate assistnat told Joe Paterno, and I will reserve my judgement on him until we do know.

From Joe Paterno's responses on this issue it seems as if he wasn''t told the full story, or an inspecific version of the story.

It should also be noted that JoePa is not in any way involved in the grand jury criminal proceedings, and he did tell his superiors.

Depending on what was told to him though the correct call might have been to go directly to the police, or at least follow up with the administration,

and at the very least distance his program from Sandusky.

Regardless of these facts Sandusky's crimes should be punishable by death.

Regardless of these facts Sandusky's crimes should be punishable by death.

hkhatir

Going to prison as a (serial) child molester is probably worse than death.

[QUOTE="hkhatir"]

Regardless of these facts Sandusky's crimes should be punishable by death.

JML897

Going to prison as a (serial) child molester is probably worse than death.

I pretty much agree with this.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Jason-Whitlock-Penn-State-sex-scandal-Jerry-Sandusky-blame-Joe-Paterno-Nittany-Lions-110711

I pretty much agree with this.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Jason-Whitlock-Penn-State-sex-scandal-Jerry-Sandusky-blame-Joe-Paterno-Nittany-Lions-110711

QuistisTrepe_

One of the most bigoted writers in America is wrong yet again

Joe Paterno knew something was up and told the people who are in charge of it, that's it.

Paterno isn't some sort of vigilante justice bringer who needed to make it his personal crusade to find out what happened. He knew something was fishy and told people so the authorities could be brought it. Paterno had no idea about the severity of what went on and he shouldn't have, that info was meant for the police, not a *(#$@&*@# football coach.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

I pretty much agree with this.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Jason-Whitlock-Penn-State-sex-scandal-Jerry-Sandusky-blame-Joe-Paterno-Nittany-Lions-110711

Jaysonguy

One of the most bigoted writers in America is wrong yet again

Joe Paterno knew something was up and told the people who are in charge of it, that's it.

Paterno isn't some sort of vigilante justice bringer who needed to make it his personal crusade to find out what happened. He knew something was fishy and told people so the authorities could be brought it. Paterno had no idea about the severity of what went on and he shouldn't have, that info was meant for the police, not a *(#$@&*@# football coach.

The graduate assistant, Mike McQueary, who at the time was not a kid but a 28 year old grown man, saw Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy. So what does he do? He walks away, and tells his dad later, and the two of them then tell Joe Paterno. Who the hell sees a little boy getting sodomized, and goes "oops, my bad, I'll leave"?

What the **** is wrong with McQueary?!?

Joe Paterno learns of this eyewitness account, tells school administrators, and then calls it good from there. He sees the alleged child rapist show up to practice with more boy toys, and thinks nothing of it?

What the **** is wrong with Paterno?!?

Athletic Director Tim Curley and Senior VP Gary Schultz learn of this eyewitness account, and decide the appropriate course of action is to forbid Sandusky from bringing children to campus. No need to call the cops? Heck, not even a need to distance yourselves from an alleged child rapist? Saying "hey buddy, you're welcome to stay around here, just please leave the kids behind" is all they did? Oh, and of course this was all done with the blessing of University President Graham Spanier.

What the **** is wrong with Curley, Schultz, and Spanier?!?

What the **** is wrong with McQueary?!?

Oleg_Huzwog

Paterno did what he was supposed to do...Los9090

Bullcrap. He did only the absolute bare minimum, which is NOT what he was supposed to do. As a football coach, when you learn of wrongdoing from within the program, yeah, you report it to the Athletic Director. But as a human being, you do not turn a blind eye when an alleged child rapist is wandering around your facilities and showing up to practice with another kid.

Joe Paterno learns of this eyewitness account, tells school administrators, and then calls it good from there. He sees the alleged child rapist show up to practice with more boy toys, and thinks nothing of it?

What the **** is wrong with Paterno?!?

Oleg_Huzwog

No, he doesn't learn of everything that he saw

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

What the **** is wrong with McQueary?!?

rawsavon

If he was an 18 year old kid who got scared and didn't know what to do, I'd understand. But this turd was almost 30 at the time. How? How does this happen?

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Joe Paterno learns of this eyewitness account, tells school administrators, and then calls it good from there. He sees the alleged child rapist show up to practice with more boy toys, and thinks nothing of it?

What the **** is wrong with Paterno?!?

Jaysonguy

No, he doesn't learn of everything that he saw

Paterno learns that Sandusky appeared to be having sex in the showers with a boy the assistant estimated to be about 10. What else is there to know?

You can read the Grand Jury report yourself: Link WARNING: details in the report get a little graphic. This particular instance falls under 'Victim 2', pages 6 and 7.

[QUOTE="Los9090"]Paterno did what he was supposed to do...Oleg_Huzwog

Bullcrap. He did only the absolute bare minimum, which is NOT what he was supposed to do. As a football coach, when you learn of wrongdoing from within the program, yeah, you report it to the Athletic Director. But as a human being, you do not turn a blind eye when an alleged child rapist is wandering around your facilities and showing up to practice with another kid.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Joe Paterno learns of this eyewitness account, tells school administrators, and then calls it good from there. He sees the alleged child rapist show up to practice with more boy toys, and thinks nothing of it?

What the **** is wrong with Paterno?!?

Oleg_Huzwog

No, he doesn't learn of everything that he saw

Paterno learns that Sandusky appeared to be having sex in the showers with a boy the assistant estimated to be about 10. What else is there to know?

You can read the Grand Jury report yourself: Link WARNING: details in the report get a little graphic. This particular instance falls under 'Victim 2', pages 6 and 7.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Los9090"]Paterno did what he was supposed to do...Los9090

Bullcrap. He did only the absolute bare minimum, which is NOT what he was supposed to do. As a football coach, when you learn of wrongdoing from within the program, yeah, you report it to the Athletic Director. But as a human being, you do not turn a blind eye when an alleged child rapist is wandering around your facilities and showing up to practice with another kid.

He should've asked his superiors how the investigation was going though, especially considering the accusations.

[QUOTE="Los9090"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Bullcrap. He did only the absolute bare minimum, which is NOT what he was supposed to do. As a football coach, when you learn of wrongdoing from within the program, yeah, you report it to the Athletic Director. But as a human being, you do not turn a blind eye when an alleged child rapist is wandering around your facilities and showing up to practice with another kid.

CJL13

He should've asked his superiors how the investigation was going though, especially considering the accusations.

In hindsight Paterno doing this would've probabaly spared many innocent children from this monster, but it really isn't Paterno's job to do that.

His superiors dropped the ball on this one. I will reserve judgment on Paterno until we find out exactly what the Graduate Assistant told him.

Paterno denies being told the details, and I think we should give JoePa the beenfit of the doubt considering his immaculate track record.

If we find out otherwise, and that he did know the specific details then I dont care what they do to him. Take his wins away, lock him up forever.

But for all we know the graduate assisnatnt could've told Paterno he saw Sandusky and a boy horsing around in the shower innapropriately.

There is a far leap to be made from horsing around, to the allegations that Sandusky is being charged with, but until we have the facts I feel it is

irresponsible to blame Paterno.

I'm just basing that from what we know so far, we don't know if Paterno knew more or not, but you have to find out if the accusations are true considering their weight.

This entire situation is a disgrace. How the hell can something like this happen and continue to go on?

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[QUOTE="Los9090"] "bare minimum"... are you echoing a report? Yeah, but Paterno still reported it but the administration obviously failed in its attempt of investigating the matter. But what gets me is that Sandusky ADMITTED to inappropriate conduct and nothing was done for a late 1990s incident. Paterno should've fired Sandusky and the police should have acted on the allegation from the 1998 issue. But we can't assume that Paterno knew everything. I feel that Paterno figured that the case would handle itself when he reported the 2002 incident from his grad assistant.

hkhatir

He should've asked his superiors how the investigation was going though, especially considering the accusations.

In hindsight Paterno doing this would've probabaly spared many innocent children from this monster, but it really isn't Paterno's job to do that.

His superiors dropped the ball on this one. I will reserve judgment on Paterno until we find out exactly what the Graduate Assistant told him.

Paterno denies being told the details, and I think we should give JoePa the beenfit of the doubt considering his immaculate track record.

If we find out otherwise, and that he did know the specific details then I dont care what they do to him. Take his wins away, lock him up forever.

But for all we know the graduate assisnatnt could've told Paterno he saw Sandusky and a boy horsing around in the shower innapropriately.

There is a far leap to be made from horsing around, to the allegations that Sandusky is being charged with, but until we have the facts I feel it is

irresponsible to blame Paterno.

According to latest AP report, they are letting him (Joe Pa) retire at the end of the season (his contract was up)…seems pretty weak IMO
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Also, I wonder if that grad assistant (now a coach) will be on the sidelines

Say it ain't so Joe, say it ain't so. Master_Live

[QUOTE="Master_Live"]Say it ain't so Joe, say it ain't so. Los9090

According to latest AP report, they are letting him (Joe Pa) retire at the end of the season (his contract was up)…seems pretty weak IMO
Link

Also, I wonder if that grad assistant (now a coach) will be on the sidelines

rawsavon

I think that's just Paterno's announcement. It's my understanding that the Board of Trustees is still discussing his status. Hopefully, they do the right thing and fire him, rather than allowing him the dignity of leaving on his own terms.

In hindsight Paterno doing this would've probabaly spared many innocent children from this monster, but it really isn't Paterno's job to do that.

His superiors dropped the ball on this one. I will reserve judgment on Paterno until we find out exactly what the Graduate Assistant told him.

Paterno denies being told the details, and I think we should give JoePa the beenfit of the doubt considering his immaculate track record.

If we find out otherwise, and that he did know the specific details then I dont care what they do to him. Take his wins away, lock him up forever.

But for all we know the graduate assisnatnt could've told Paterno he saw Sandusky and a boy horsing around in the shower innapropriately.

There is a far leap to be made from horsing around, to the allegations that Sandusky is being charged with, but until we have the facts I feel it is

irresponsible to blame Paterno.

hkhatir

Read the Grand Jury report. We know the graduate assistant told Paterno about more than "horsing around".

You're right as far as his superiors dropping the ball... but so did Paterno... and so did McQueary.

Exactly...if anything, ire should be drawn toward Sanduski, the Penn St. administration, and the local police for not following through on the allegations. And is it because it is a big time college football town? You know this would have been investigated if a K-12 teacher was accused of a child sex crime. Los9090

The problem with Victim #2 is that the local police never got involved. McQueary never called them. McQueary's dad never called them. Paterno never called them. Curley never called them. Schultz never called them. Spanier never called them.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

According to latest AP report, they are letting him (Joe Pa) retire at the end of the season (his contract was up)…seems pretty weak IMO
Link

Also, I wonder if that grad assistant (now a coach) will be on the sidelines

Oleg_Huzwog

I think that's just Paterno's announcement. It's my understanding that the Board of Trustees is still discussing his status. Hopefully, they do the right thing and fire him, rather than allowing him the dignity of leaving on his own terms.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

According to latest AP report, they are letting him (Joe Pa) retire at the end of the season (his contract was up)…seems pretty weak IMO
Link

Also, I wonder if that grad assistant (now a coach) will be on the sidelines

rawsavon

I think that's just Paterno's announcement. It's my understanding that the Board of Trustees is still discussing his status. Hopefully, they do the right thing and fire him, rather than allowing him the dignity of leaving on his own terms.

Maybe senility is finally setting in? Maybe he's just a scatter-brained old man now? Maybe his refusal to recognize the reality of the situation (example: his lulz attempt of holding a press conference that would focus solely on the Nebraska game)... maybe it's not a refusal, but instead an inability? Thanks to age, his mind simply can't grasp his surroundings at all times? That would absolve him of some guilt.

TBH, i think the University is afraid of him holding a press conference at this point rawsavon

Of course they are, no question. Especially with the perjury charges looming. The university was acting in self-preservation mode by calling off that press conference.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]TBH, i think the University is afraid of him holding a press conference at this point Oleg_Huzwog

Of course they are, no question. Especially with the perjury charges looming. The university was acting in self-preservation mode by calling off that press conference.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]TBH, i think the University is afraid of him holding a press conference at this point Oleg_Huzwog

Of course they are, no question. Especially with the perjury charges looming. The university was acting in self-preservation mode by calling off that press conference.

So where does Penn State football go from here? No one is going to want to go there. The Big Ten isn't going to want to be associated with it. Will Penn State suffer a worse fate than what happened with SMU back in the eighties?

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]TBH, i think the University is afraid of him holding a press conference at this point Master_Live

Of course they are, no question. Especially with the perjury charges looming. The university was acting in self-preservation mode by calling off that press conference.

I think he legitimately managed to fool himself into thinking he could get away with reading a quick statement about the sex abuse, and then conduct a full press conference where the only questions would be football-related. The university knew (as did every person in the world not named JoePa) that the sex abuse is the only topic the press cares about. He would've had to answer those questions totally unprepared, and as rawsavon points out, the senile old man would've made fools of them all.

Will Penn State suffer a worse fate than what happened with SMU back in the eighties?

CJL13

[QUOTE="CJL13"]

Will Penn State suffer a worse fate than what happened with SMU back in the eighties?

rawsavon

So where does Penn State football go from here? No one is going to want to go there. The Big Ten isn't going to want to be associated with it. Will Penn State suffer a worse fate than what happened with SMU back in the eighties?

CJL13

No. Improper benefits and playing with ineligible players is about all the NCAA would ever penalize someone for. There's not really any precedent for a case like this. The closest I can think of are the sexual assualt allegations at Colorado in the late 90's or whenever it was. The coach was suspended for some comments he made about the accuser, but that's about all that happened.

Earlier today Paterno said he was retiring. Now it sounds like he will not coach again this year. After reading and hearing all the negativity towards him I personally think that it's a good thing that had to be done. Sounds like the president has been replaced too.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7211281/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-retire-end-season

Here's the story on him retiring. No link on him leaving for the year, I've only seen it on Twitter.

Now he's been fired.

Now he's been fired.

CJL13

Students heading towards Beaver Avenue chanting "We want Joe back!"

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Now he's been fired.

ChikaraShref

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"][QUOTE="CJL13"]

Now he's been fired.

GamerForca