Tough time for PSU...tougher times for the victims

Why in the world does McQueary still have a job?JML897

[QUOTE="CJL13"]

So where does Penn State football go from here? No one is going to want to go there. The Big Ten isn't going to want to be associated with it. Will Penn State suffer a worse fate than what happened with SMU back in the eighties?

Oleg_Huzwog

No. Improper benefits and playing with ineligible players is about all the NCAA would ever penalize someone for. There's not really any precedent for a case like this. The closest I can think of are the sexual assualt allegations at Colorado in the late 90's or whenever it was. The coach was suspended for some comments he made about the accuser, but that's about all that happened.

Um. We might just be at the tip of the iceberg here.

http://twitter.com/sportsbybrooks

"I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday"

"If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public."

I don't want to speculate on what it is, but if this story hasn't already "horrified the public" I can't imagine how crazy this is going to get.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="CJL13"]

So where does Penn State football go from here? No one is going to want to go there. The Big Ten isn't going to want to be associated with it. Will Penn State suffer a worse fate than what happened with SMU back in the eighties?

Pittfan666

No. Improper benefits and playing with ineligible players is about all the NCAA would ever penalize someone for. There's not really any precedent for a case like this. The closest I can think of are the sexual assualt allegations at Colorado in the late 90's or whenever it was. The coach was suspended for some comments he made about the accuser, but that's about all that happened.

but joe pa did nothing wrong. ChikaraShref

Um, yes he did. :roll:

Why in the world does McQueary still have a job?JML897

Covering up child rape is cool, but programs that funnel illegal payments and benefits to players, man, that's just un-American.

Riots on campus. Do these fools not fully grasp what has occured?

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/10/2551315/penn-state-riots-protest-joe-paterno-fired-state-college

Riots on campus. Do these fools not fully grasp what has occured?

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/10/2551315/penn-state-riots-protest-joe-paterno-fired-state-college

QuistisTrepe_

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Riots on campus. Do these fools not fully grasp what has occured?

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/10/2551315/penn-state-riots-protest-joe-paterno-fired-state-college

Master_Live

Yeah, screw the unconscionable cover up of a child rapist, we've got a bowl game to play for! Yeah, I'm pretty sure Penn State students are dumb.

[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Riots on campus. Do these fools not fully grasp what has occured?

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/10/2551315/penn-state-riots-protest-joe-paterno-fired-state-college

QuistisTrepe_

Yeah, screw the unconscionable cover up of a child rapist, we've got a bowl game to play for! Yeah, I'm pretty sure Penn State students are dumb.

Blowing some steam off. They will get over it.

Joe Pa is getting screwed. He is just a scapegoat. He's the most convenient target. monkeytoes61

He is not a scapegoat. He is rightfully being punished for his role, as are all the others involved.

EDIT: excpet McQueary for some reason... but his turn may still be coming

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"]but joe pa did nothing wrong. QuistisTrepe_

Um, yes he did. :roll:

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]Joe Pa is getting screwed. He is just a scapegoat. He's the most convenient target. Oleg_Huzwog

He is not a scapegoat. He is rightfully being punished for his role, as are all the others involved.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]Joe Pa is getting screwed. He is just a scapegoat. He's the most convenient target. monkeytoes61

He is not a scapegoat. He is rightfully being punished for his role, as are all the others involved.

For not doing more than the absolute bare minimum. For not doing the right thing. For simply passing along an alleged sexual assualt of a child in his facilities, and then choosing to push it out of his mind. For never calling the police. For never once bothering to ask the AD "hey, whatever happened to that thing with Sandusky we had talked about?" For not doing anything over the next 9 years every time Sandusky continued to appear on campus, in facilities, or at practice, often times accompanied by more boys.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"]but joe pa did nothing wrong. monkeytoes61

Um, yes he did. :roll:

Sigh..........no.

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

He is not a scapegoat. He is rightfully being punished for his role, as are all the others involved.

Oleg_Huzwog

For not doing more than the absolute bare minimum. For not doing the right thing. For simply passing along an alleged sexual assualt of a child in his facilities, and then choosing to push it out of his mind. For never calling the police. For never once bothering to ask the AD "hey, whatever happened to that thing with Sandusky we had talked about?" For not doing anything over the next 9 years every time Sandusky continued to appear on campus, in facilities, or at practice, often times accompanied by more boys.

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

He is not a scapegoat. He is rightfully being punished for his role, as are all the others involved.

Oleg_Huzwog

For not doing more than the absolute bare minimum. For not doing the right thing. For simply passing along an alleged sexual assualt of a child in his facilities, and then choosing to push it out of his mind. For never calling the police. For never once bothering to ask the AD "hey, whatever happened to that thing with Sandusky we had talked about?" For not doing anything over the next 9 years every time Sandusky continued to appear on campus, in facilities, or at practice, often times accompanied by more boys.

Tell me.. How is this Joe Pa fault?

McQuery seems to be getting a free pass. He's still coaching at Penn State, he's much more in the wrong than anyone other than Sandusky in this case.Not defending JoePa but McQuery's actions are indefensible. I dont claim to be a morally perfect person but if I saw a child being raped in a bathroom firstly Ido whatever I can to stop the perpretrator immediately, and I call the police. These aren't allegations, McQuery physicaly saw saw Sandusky doing this to a child and instead hecalls his dad, and never reports it to the police. He should get fired immediately and never coach football again. It's shameful.

I live in Penn St nation and everybody is freaking out. it's so annoying, everybody hates the Board of Trustees, but they had to do it

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"]but joe pa did nothing wrong. QuistisTrepe_

Um, yes he did. :roll:

No he didn't

He was told of something going on and he reported it, that's all he was supposed to do

The idea that he was supposed to follow up and make sure everything got done is wrong, he was under no obligation and everyone who says otherwise can't post here because that's taking away from all the time that they're not follow up on every little bit of misconduct they see every day.

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

He is not a scapegoat. He is rightfully being punished for his role, as are all the others involved.

Oleg_Huzwog

For not doing more than the absolute bare minimum. For not doing the right thing. For simply passing along an alleged sexual assualt of a child in his facilities, and then choosing to push it out of his mind. For never calling the police. For never once bothering to ask the AD "hey, whatever happened to that thing with Sandusky we had talked about?" For not doing anything over the next 9 years every time Sandusky continued to appear on campus, in facilities, or at practice, often times accompanied by more boys.

Not his responsibility

It's sickening the way that people are on him for doing his job

His job was to tell his higher ups, the idea that he himself should have told the police is one of the most unprofessional things I've ever heard. Really? He's to go to the police so that the school gets the worst PR possible? No, that's for the higher ups in the college to report it and handle the PR flak.

No people want Joe Paterno to go all lone wolf

because that's taking away from all the time that they're not follow up on every little bit of misconduct they see every day.Jaysonguy

I live in Penn St nation and everybody is freaking out. it's so annoying, everybody hates the Board of Trustees, but they had to do it

munchlax99

Paterno did what he was required to do

Anyone who has a problem with that can't be posting here because they're very busy tracking down and following up on every bit of misconduct they hear about every day

Paterno heard something was wrong and reported it, that's it, done.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"] Punished for what? Following the rules to the letter?monkeytoes61

For not doing more than the absolute bare minimum. For not doing the right thing. For simply passing along an alleged sexual assualt of a child in his facilities, and then choosing to push it out of his mind. For never calling the police. For never once bothering to ask the AD "hey, whatever happened to that thing with Sandusky we had talked about?" For not doing anything over the next 9 years every time Sandusky continued to appear on campus, in facilities, or at practice, often times accompanied by more boys.

Following the rules in this case, only means he can't face criminal charges. Like you say, he dropped the ball big time. Really REALLY big time. Big enough that the ONLY possible action was immediate dismissal. There was no other option.

following up on every bit of misconduct they hear about every dayJaysonguy

Are you out of your ****ing mind?!? "bit of misconduct"?!?

This wasn't an alleged DUI for his quarterback. This wasn't a booster giving cash to one of his linebackers. We're talking about a little boy getting raped! Whether you're a football coach, or some random guy behind a desk... when you hear about that, you ****ing follow up on it! Whether you're a football coach, or some random guy behind a desk... when you see an alleged child rapist wandering around your place of work with more boys, you ****ing do something!

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]following up on every bit of misconduct they hear about every dayOleg_Huzwog

Are you out of your ****ing mind?!? "bit of misconduct"?!?

This wasn't an alleged DUI for his quarterback. This wasn't a booster giving cash to one of his linebackers. We're talking about a little boy getting raped! Whether you're a football coach, or some random guy behind a desk... when you hear about that, you ****ing follow up on it! Whether you're a football coach, or some random guy behind a desk... when you see an alleged child rapist wandering around your place of work with more boys, you ****ing do something!

No you don't follow up on it, it's none of his business

Where do you think you are?

This is where problems come from

"You're supposed to do something"

"Are you a police officer?"

"Well no, but you have to do something"

Nope, sit down and let the people who are supposed to handle it handle it.

I swear to God, how do you drive anywhere because according to your rules you have to follow up on every single person going faster then you because they were speeding.

The man was a football coach, not a policeman. He told the people who's job it is to contact the police and then he was done, whatever happened happened

I swear to God, how do you drive anywhere because according to your rules you have to follow up on every single person going faster then you because they were speeding.Jaysonguy

No, you don't follow up on every person you meet who is speeding. You do, however, follow up on every person you meet who is putting his **** into a kid's ***.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]I swear to God, how do you drive anywhere because according to your rules you have to follow up on every single person going faster then you because they were speeding.Oleg_Huzwog

No, you don't follow up on every person you meet who is speeding. You do, however, follow up on every person you meet who is putting his **** into a kid's ***.

Paterno didn't know that

Paterno knew that something might have been going on and reported it. He didn't hide it he told the people who are specifically hired to deal with these kinds of matters about what he heard and that was the end of what he should have done.

His job is to coach football, not to research every single story he hears and make sure all the parties are ok, other people at that school are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to deal with that, that's who he contacted.

The idea that you have that a football coach is some sort of authority figure for the school and city is scary as Hell, so all the police investigations are to go through a football coach until the coach thinks it's sufficient?

That these things aren't supposed to go through police channels and pursued by law, that a freaking football coach is supposed to oversee the entire situation until he feels it's resolved?

That's *@#&*@# scary

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]I swear to God, how do you drive anywhere because according to your rules you have to follow up on every single person going faster then you because they were speeding.Jaysonguy

No, you don't follow up on every person you meet who is speeding. You do, however, follow up on every person you meet who is putting his **** into a kid's ***.

Paterno didn't know that

Paterno knew that something might have been going on and reported it. He didn't hide it he told the people who are specifically hired to deal with these kinds of matters about what he heard and that was the end of what he should have done.

His job is to coach football, not to research every single story he hears and make sure all the parties are ok, other people at that school are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to deal with that, that's who he contacted.

The idea that you have that a football coach is some sort of authority figure for the school and city is scary as Hell, so all the police investigations are to go through a football coach until the coach thinks it's sufficient?

That these things aren't supposed to go through police channels and pursued by law, that a freaking football coach is supposed to oversee the entire situation until he feels it's resolved?

That's *@#&*@# scary

He means Paterno should've told the police, who would then have done all the investigating and such.

Paterno didn't know that

Paterno knew that something might have been going on and reported it. He didn't hide it he told the people who are specifically hired to deal with these kinds of matters about what he heard and that was the end of what he should have done.

His job is to coach football, not to research every single story he hears and make sure all the parties are ok, other people at that school are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to deal with that, that's who he contacted.

The idea that you have that a football coach is some sort of authority figure for the school and city is scary as Hell, so all the police investigations are to go through a football coach until the coach thinks it's sufficient?

That these things aren't supposed to go through police channels and pursued by law, that a freaking football coach is supposed to oversee the entire situation until he feels it's resolved?

That's *@#&*@# scary

Jaysonguy

But you know this, and I have once again come to the conclusion that, as always, you are playing the devil's advocate just for the sake of trolling everyone in this thread.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Paterno didn't know that

Paterno knew that something might have been going on and reported it. He didn't hide it he told the people who are specifically hired to deal with these kinds of matters about what he heard and that was the end of what he should have done.

His job is to coach football, not to research every single story he hears and make sure all the parties are ok, other people at that school are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to deal with that, that's who he contacted.

The idea that you have that a football coach is some sort of authority figure for the school and city is scary as Hell, so all the police investigations are to go through a football coach until the coach thinks it's sufficient?

That these things aren't supposed to go through police channels and pursued by law, that a freaking football coach is supposed to oversee the entire situation until he feels it's resolved?

That's *@#&*@# scary

GamerForca

But you know this, and I have once again come to the conclusion that, as always, you are playing the devil's advocate just for the sake of trolling everyone in this thread.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Paterno didn't know that

Paterno knew that something might have been going on and reported it. He didn't hide it he told the people who are specifically hired to deal with these kinds of matters about what he heard and that was the end of what he should have done.

His job is to coach football, not to research every single story he hears and make sure all the parties are ok, other people at that school are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to deal with that, that's who he contacted.

The idea that you have that a football coach is some sort of authority figure for the school and city is scary as Hell, so all the police investigations are to go through a football coach until the coach thinks it's sufficient?

That these things aren't supposed to go through police channels and pursued by law, that a freaking football coach is supposed to oversee the entire situation until he feels it's resolved?

That's *@#&*@# scary

GamerForca

But you know this, and I have once again come to the conclusion that, as always, you are playing the devil's advocate just for the sake of trolling everyone in this thread.

How are you even discussing this when you don't have the facts?

Sandusky wasn't even associated with the team when it's said he did these things, heck he was away from the program for 3 years when it's said he did these things.

He had no connections to Paterno

[QUOTE="GamerForca"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Paterno didn't know that

Paterno knew that something might have been going on and reported it. He didn't hide it he told the people who are specifically hired to deal with these kinds of matters about what he heard and that was the end of what he should have done.

His job is to coach football, not to research every single story he hears and make sure all the parties are ok, other people at that school are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to deal with that, that's who he contacted.

The idea that you have that a football coach is some sort of authority figure for the school and city is scary as Hell, so all the police investigations are to go through a football coach until the coach thinks it's sufficient?

That these things aren't supposed to go through police channels and pursued by law, that a freaking football coach is supposed to oversee the entire situation until he feels it's resolved?

That's *@#&*@# scary

Jaysonguy

But you know this, and I have once again come to the conclusion that, as always, you are playing the devil's advocate just for the sake of trolling everyone in this thread.

How are you even discussing this when you don't have the facts?

Sandusky wasn't even associated with the team when it's said he did these things, heck he was away from the program for 3 years when it's said he did these things.

He had no connections to Paterno

[QUOTE="CJL13"]

Will Penn State suffer a worse fate than what happened with SMU back in the eighties?

rawsavon

My feelings

I feel that many students are made at McQuery because since he didn't go to the police they lost Joe Paterno.

I feel that maybe Joe was left as coach for so long because if a new head coach found out about this he'd go to the police.

I feel that the majority of Penn State students can go **** themselves for caring more about getting to the Rose Bowl then the safety of children.

I feel that the majority of Penn State students can go **** themselves for caring more about getting to the Rose Bowl then the safety of children.

CJL13

Please explain how Penn State going to the Rose Bowl puts children in danger

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Paterno did what he was required to do

Anyone who has a problem with that can't be posting here because they're very busy tracking down and following up on every bit of misconduct they hear about every day

Paterno heard something was wrong and reported it, that's it, done.

It's impossible to take you seriously when you post stupid crap like this in every thread you enter. I can't tell if you are an expert troll or are just delusional.

Wow, I just read the grand jury presentment. Disturbing stuff.
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

Tell me.. How is this Joe Pa fault?

CWEBB04z

Oh gee, I don't know, lemme think...................Oh yeah, HE WAS THE COACH OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM AND SANDUSKY'S IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR, HOW'S THAT FOR YOU!?:|

Paterno gave Penn State no choice but to dismiss him. At the same time Paterno seems to be getting more heat than both Sandusky and McQueery, which is also wrong. JoePa was in the wrong but of the 3 Paterno is the least culpapable and the one getting the most blame. Im not defending him just worried we are ignoring far greater faults.

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]

Tell me.. How is this Joe Pa fault?

QuistisTrepe_

Oh gee, I don't know, lemme think...................Oh yeah, HE WAS THE COACH OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM AND SANDUSKY'S IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR, HOW'S THAT FOR YOU!?:|

Paterno was not Sandusky's immediate supervisor. In 2002, Sandusky was retired, and was not part of Paterno's staff.Sandusky held emeritus status, which he had unlimited access to every facility at Penn State. explain to me how Paterno was Sanduskys immediate supervisor when he was retired..