Why are millenials attracted to leftism?

@luckylucious:

The biggest thing I hate about the Republican party is their obsession over winning. They only care about their party instead of finding solutions to the actual problems with the country. Party over country is just asinine. Trump being president is all the evidence we need to tell us that they give legit zero fucks about what's good for this nation. Even now, all they talk about is how much they won and how that suddenly means that they'll win every election after. Do they even know why they wanted Trump? Did they even bother to dig into his past to see if he was the right man for the job?

If you hate that about the republicans for being for the party, you must also hate the democrats. They are no better.

With age comes experience. But that doesnt change the fact that the main thing that adds nuance is more knowledge and expertise.

Ever heard of the Dunning Kruger Effect? There is a reason that refers to expertise or knowledge and not age.

It also worth noting that liberals are on average, more educated than conservatives.

@Jacanuk:

To be fair they both have bad sides to them. I still disagree with transgender bathrooms and the whole idea of non-binary is flat out dumb too.

Republicans want their candidates to win and so do Democrats. That's fair game. But it's their motivation that concern me. Trump came in spewing the same crap many presidents have said millions of times before. He wasn't even about offering anything new, he even said that he wanted to accomplish his goals within the confines of our current system of laws. He was doomed from the beginning and we saw it coming. As cringe worthy as the left can be, they have yet to have elected anyone as incompetent as Trump.

That's why we make a big deal about him and his every move. If you care anything about where our country is headed, why would you pick someone who has no idea how to get there? It doesn't make sense! Even if you go the route of both him and Hillary being bad choices, the lesser of two evils is still evil. If not for the sake of winning, it's just pointless having Trump. His lack of experience will turn him into a toy for the party to manipulate and exploit. If it hasn't already...

@luckylucious:

Another idiotic comment by a right wing nut job (RWNJ). There are plenty of left wing capitalists, myself being one. That isn't a word reserved for the conservatives. You don't know what capitalism means do you? It's free market with Mechanisms in it to price for all variables. People driving cars, the oil companies etc are getting away with highway robbery by not paying for the CO2 they emit into the air. Real capitalism would have taken care of this issue long time ago

But that is capitalism in its purest form.

I do agree with environmental regulations, but highway robbery? Seriously?!? Isnt that quite the hyperbole?

Yes , i have heard about the dunning Kruger , i did my psych 101. And narrowing that study down to expertise or knowledge is not completely accurate. They talk about the base IQ , IE competent people tend to underestimate their ability and incompetent tend to overestimate.

Which is why i said with age comes wisdom, it´s like with children, a child may have the IQ of einstein but lacks the comprehension to use that properly. Same goes for some young people in a uni/college.

And sure liberals may be more educated , but education does not equal intelligence, in fact you hit the nail on the head with the above study, the liberals tend to overestimate their abilities because they happen to get a BA or Master. Where most republicans may not get an education but tend to go on to become richer on average than liberals. Look at the 3 top earning brackets, and you will find that they all support republicans, where the 3 lowest support democrats.

If you read through his Jag's post, you would see he was talking about education.

not to mention. Liberals do generally score higher on tests that test cognitive abilities.

youth is energy and motivation to change the status quo

conservatism is the maintenance of the status quo or pushing for the "return" of things, that is, the past.

it's only natural that the young will gravitate away from ideologies that want to keep things the way they are or return them to the past.

Younger generations have greater access to higher education than older generations did.

Societies today are more diverse than they were in previous generations, so younger generations are more likely to grow up with people from different backgrounds.

Online social media is a double-edged sword. It can lead to greater education, but at the same time can also spread misinformation. But overall, the former outweighs the latter.

And yet they earn less so what does that tell you?

@Jacanuk: It tells me that wealth is a greater determinant of party affiliation than education level.

Well, you could take that from it, but you could also take that education does not mean anything in the grand scheme of things, when you can educate yourself into debt and never get a job that pays much.

And sure money usually make people more worried about their own wealth. As they say more wants more.

That's not true.

Also not true.

Societies are not more diverse. The US has been a melting pot since inception pretty much. If you are just discovering diversity you must live in a very isolated areas.

And you just negated your first point. Congrats.

@Jacanuk: Ah, yes. Clearly the lesson to be learned from a correlation between wealth and party affiliation vs one of education and party affiliation is that education doesn't mean anything.

I should have expected as much.

It can say a lot of things. For starters it could mean they pursue less well paying jobs.

http://www.people-press.org/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

But it is. There is a corrrelation between age and understanding, but correlation != causation.

And while I am at it...

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/03/19/how-millennials-compare-with-their-grandparents/ft_millennials-education_031715/

Why not read what i actually wrote and read it in the context we were talking about.

Of course education means something, what i said was that when it comes too whether you are intelligent or not, education means nothing. You can be dumb and get a master, you can be clever and run a multi-billion dollar company as a high school drop-out.

"schools teach globalization because like it or not, that is the future"

As a millenial, this is true. Just by observation i've realize young people are more able to open up their horizons given the possibilities of how to live their lives. Usually individuals grow more conservative over time - especially as they amass sizable wealth and influence.

@Jacanuk: I used your exact words.

It is true. As the statistics posted by Maroxad above show, younger generations generally have higher education levels than older generations.

I was speaking more from a European perspective. European societies have become increasingly diverse over the past few generations. But even from a US perspective, there was segregation a few generations ago, which significantly limited interactions between different groups.

In what way did I negate my first point? Explain.

No you read something and disregarded the context it was said in.

@Jacanuk:

He is pretty good at doing that. Education isnt indicative of intelligence, Ive seen plenty of dumb people regurgitate the garbage they learn at school and get straight As.

On the contrary, its actually those who think independently outside of the school system who end up making the biggest changes to society. Pretty sure the biggest companies on Earth were created by college dropouts, but sure education determines intelligence (as if LOL).

Yes we can agree there. After all look at Bill Gates and Steve Jobs who were both drop-outs and look what they created, and they are only 2 of the many people who went on to create and shape our world.

And may schools are box thinkers, they have a set parameter and if you fall outside of that box, you are either to "dumb" or "difficult" which is kinda funny.

Sitting in ass in college classes and eking out a degree doesn't mean one learned jack shit. Also there are many people who cannot afford college and are well read and able to the millennial to shame.

As I said above merely attending college doesn't mean one is educated. Many a person gets a degree with low grades. Your study shows more go to further education. That's fine. Doesn't translate to more educated though.

You know, that's an interesting point. Conservatives constantly complain that schools are indoctrinating our youth with liberalism, the easy solution would be for more of these conservatives to become teachers. Maybe they don't because it is a hard job that doesn't pay all that well, and money is just more important to them.

I am a first generation citizen, millennial. All my friends are liberals. I don't know anyone from rural areas, rich people, or any conservative clichés.

There could be a concrete underlying factor why millennials are liberal. I don't know.

What did Mark Twain write, "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."

Really? So a doctor who completed a medical degree learnt jack shit about medicine? And some random guy off the street would know more than him about medicine?

Or a lawyer who completed a legal degree learnt jack shit about law? And some random dude off the street would know more about the law than the lawyer?

Or an engineer who completed an engineering degree learnt jack shit about engineering? And some random know-it-all thinks he knows more about engineering than the qualified engineer?

...Oh, please.

And Jag said what he said pretty well.

There is absolutely no real criteria people can use to demonstrate people were more educated in the past. While one of the best tools for determining how educated people are, would indicate that people are more educated than ever. The engineers, doctors and scientists of today are being educated and trained to compete with conteporary engineers with decades of experience. Human knowledge practically doubles every year. Even when we go to college dropouts or people with mediocre grades, still come with the years of education they came with, which is better than nothing.

You can't graduate and not having learnt shit, at least as far as some fields are concerned. You wont be able to get a passing grade without knowing what you are talking about. And if writing a thesis in say... physics. You will need to apply years of the mathematics and relevant physics for your thesis. And engineering? There goes the physics, the engineering theorems and underlying mathematics.

Edit: Even ignoring colllege for a moment. Far more children, especially in the developed world have accecss to education more than ever. Due to infrastructural advances. No matter how you spin it. Signs heavily indicate that people are more educated than ever.

There's also this:

Flynn effect

Each passing generation has, on average, a higher IQ than the generation before it.

Correct. Funny you mention that though, I talked about the Flynn Effect in a discussion I had with either LJS or Jancanuk (cant remember who) not too long ago either.

It could , but it could also say that most who lean left and stay left, tend to study less valuable subjects and end up with a degree that is not worth the paper its printed on.

Trump really didn't say much of the same things past presidents have run on.

If I'm to lay any credit to Trump's feet, he was brilliant in that he recognized the population's deep seated mistrust of many things (our institutions, our politics, our very democratic process) and sweeped in with intense rhetoric, idealism, and promises to the Heavens to change things......then used that enthusiasm bred from animosity and distrust to manipulate these people to further his own ambitions. He leveraged a deep seated and festering frustration in many that's been building for years and conned them to his advantage by telling them what they wanted to hear. He used people to get what he wanted, as he has his entire life.

Qualified? I've seen people post on more than one occasion they voted for Trump knowing full well he was unqualified, in fact that being the point....hoping that he'd burn down the whole system through his incompetence and inexperience. To many, Trump's a vote of spite, of apathy, of nihilism. He is a vessel to hate the establishment, and that's why any criticism of him is useless.....because his supporters view it as a desire to fight for the establishment and deepstate and to retain the status quo. Trump's conned people into believing that he's stands adamantly against what they hate with a passion. Therefor anything that is an attack on him they view as an attack on something much bigger than him.

That's going to make it incredibly difficult to fight against him, because it isn't about Trump, it's about what he represents (or says he does for those that believe him). He could probably murder people and it wouldn't matter to his base because they hate the system far more than they care for Trump.

Ah the appeal to authority as proof. Haven't seen that in awhile.

Half the graduating class finished in the bottom of the class. Doctor's also carry really really hefty malpractice insurance. All lawyers are not created equal. Etc. There are many people that finish school by the skin of their teeth. I notice you only picked a couple specialized degrees though. You sound like you are insecure about your education.

Don't try blowing smoke up anyone's ass by saying because someone has a degree they learned.

Dunning–Kruger effect

The more experience you have in a field, the more knowledge and expertise you gain in the field. That's just logic, not "appeal to authority".

And on the flip side, those have very little knowledge or experience in a field are more likely to have an inflated ego of their own abilities and be dismissive towards those who do have greater experience/knowledge/expertise in a field... not unlike what you're doing here.

And again, there's this:

The increasing higher education over the generations has been cited as an important factor behind the increasing IQ over the generations.

@Jag85: That is one such study but then studies exist also that say the opposite......https://www.livescience.com/24713-humans-losing-intelligence.html

The study doesn't contradict the Flynn effect, as acknowledged further down the article: "across the world the average IQ has increased dramatically over the last 100 years, a phenomenon known as the Flynn Effect."

The study highlights a different finding: "The study, published today (Nov. 12) in the journal Trends in Genetics, argues that humans lost the evolutionary pressure to be smart once we started living in dense agricultural settlements several thousand years ago."

The study suggests that, since the Agricultural Revolution (which began in the Middle East around 10,000 BC) up to the 20th century AD, there was a gradual slow decline in human intelligence. But since the 20th century, the Flynn effect has shown an increase in intelligence. The study seems to suggest there has been a reversal over the last 100 years, which "probably resulted from better prenatal care, better nutrition and reduced exposure to brain-stunting chemicals".

The past utterly sucks compared to the expanding options of the future. Generation Y interacts with a global community almost constantly. Previous generations had no such mobility. Thusly, value systems have evolved beyond the previous generations ability to digest the conversations that we are engaged in let alone having a capacity to actually frame an argument, coherently, for preserving an outdated hegemony.

The word of the day, boys and girls, is obsolescence. A concept millennials are intimately familiar with. A concept the Boomer generation is frantically struggling with, even regressing from. As if "strong man" figures can bring back jobs that have been automated or will be, as an example. It's one thing to just accept that socialism is an evil thing that happens in countries with bad weather and toilet paper lines. It's an entirely different matter when you can simply jump into a conversation with someone in countries like Denmark and have the questions answered that you really want to ask.

It also doesn't back up your stance...........

I always found the notion that globalism ruins the economy to be outright absurd.

The real killer of jobs is automation. And that has always been the case. Jobs are going to see a massive decline across the board in developed nations in the next decade. And quite frankly, it seems like everyone is too busy blaming everyone else instead of looking for potential solutions for the upcoming problems. I say this, well aware of how my job is getting replaced by advanced AI most likely within a decade.

Work and Labour is going to get increasingly obsolete. And the obsoletion is inevitable. I have mentioned this anecdote before. But a nearby store where I lived, cut the number of clerks and cashiers by two thirds. And it was not because they were doing poorly, quite frankly, the closer to the opposite is true.

I wrote a thesis in college about how the Black Plague could be directly linked to the cultural revolution of the Renaissance in Europe for almost the exact same reason. Short of a massive, global, die-off, or a very rapid colonization of space, there is simply too much of a supply of unskilled labor. A big reason why I am a supporter of Bernie and the Progressive Left these days is that the only way to stifle a cultural cliff-dive is to have a workforce that is prepared for the economy of tomorrow. It was a great disservice to promise people that coal-mining jobs and steel plants will be the path forward when it is obvious to anyone not drinking the Kool-Aid that college education in STEM skills is the only way to keep America Great at all.

...that is, unless nuclear war or a global plague comes along to even the scales again. . .

@Gaming-Planet: I'm not.

Age 23. I'm center left, but I don't dismiss the right. I indulge in both conservative and liberal news. Public schools teach us how bad conservatives are and how great diversity, inclusion, open boarders, globalism are. If you think otherwise, you're a bigot, xenophobic, racist, homophobe"

There are certain things tied to the right but there are pluses to their side. Well before the current administration actually. In the past, like Reagan years, the build up of our economy and outpacing of the Soviet Union in defense spending were positives.

Now we have multiple members of the inner circle caught lying about meetings with Russian nationals, shrugging off the seriousness of a cyber attack as if it could uldnt happen when a democrat wins. Then they'll be up in arms. This country is locked in another Cold war but this time its a civil war, which serves none of us. All people care about whether there is an R or D after the office holders name. Divide and conquer, and that's what's happening.

@Maroxad: The US, in particular, is culturally unprepared for an AI revolution. It will be among the last developed nation's to adapt to it.

Once they get older and actually have to work & pay bills they’ll become conservatives