Who will win the 2020 US Presidential election?

@girlusocrazy: Because he is an idiot who is not on the ballot in most states.

@super600: You think there’s more enthusiasm for Biden than there was for Hillary?

Where?

Shows he cares? You meant the 211K deaths? The failed businesses? The high unemployment?

I'm hoping that is satire. Trump cares for no one but himself.

This is why nobody takes leftwing arguments seriously. There's no consistency or legitimacy in them, it's all double standards.

First, and this is like the 30th time I've said this so either you have trouble with learning, or you're intentionally dishonest, Trump doesn't have the authority to shut down the country in the manner you people think would have saved lives. He couldn't even send US Marshals into the states to solve their problems with leftwing terrorism without being invited in by the governor. K, so lockdowns weren't going to happen.

Now, where your argument gets contradictory is whining about high unemployment which is the direct cause of lockdowns done on a state by state basis. The likes of which if they did not do, you'd be blaming the death toll on that, and if they did lock down states for a longer duration than they did, you'd be whining about an even higher unemployment rate. So you're trying to have this both ways with the death toll AND unemployment rates, and you're also trying to blame it on Trump who had no control over either. And while you may believe the media when they fed you that contradiction you accepted without a second thought, most people aren't so credulous.

@eoten: Labor hoarding + lockdowns = suppression, followed by test and trace = maintenance

That's what it takes. 2 months of economic pain + Test and Trace setup time followed Test and Trace Implementation.

Trump doesn't have the power to unilaterally implement a lockdown. What he does have to power to do is work with states and Congress to encourage and facilitate them as well as set up the critical test and trace program. Instead, he actively worked against both of those efforts! The lockdowns because he didn't want to incur the short term economic pain, and the testing and trace because he thought testing would make his short term numbers look worse.

Other countries have figured this out. We can't because we lack leadership.

There is but most people who support him don't need to go massive superspreader rallies to show their support for him or flood social media with posts supporting him. Trump like bernie is the internet candidate. Trump is going to learn the same lesson bernie learned in the recent dem primary. You can raise a ton of money, have a bunch of supporters show up at campaign events and flood social media with posts supporting you but if you are only appealing to people that already support you it will be hard for you to win a race.

Trump is definitely trying to play dirty by making voting difficult for certain communities to try and stay in office but I think he has generated enough negativity towards him that he will lose regardless. I wouldn’t be surprised if he says the votes are not accurate when he finds out he loses though, and that is where things it’ll be interesting to watch how that situation plays out.

Joe is lame af but I think he will win because it is a referendum against Trump.

As an outsider I just can't wait for the denial and calls of corruption when Trump loses and puts on the greatest display of a sore loser in political history. There's not enough popcorn in the world.

eh.. this idiot has been able to homer simpson his way into and out of things his whole life.

nothing would surprise me at this point

Trumps support base has actually gone up since 2016. So Biden is going to have to do a heck of a lot more than be slightly less detestable by some people than Hillary. Remember, Biden isn't going to be getting as much of the woman vote Hillary got, and Trumps support in the black and hispanic communities has gone up. It isn't going to be enough to simply not be Trump to win people to his side. He's going to have to put forth good ideas and policies and telling independent voters they don't have a right to know his plans isn't doing him any favors.

Kamala (a Finnish word meaning "horrible") was probably the worst candidate he could have chosen for a VP. But let's be real. You know it, and I know it, Biden isn't calling the shots in his campaign, and wouldn't be if he was president.

@eoten: His base hasn’t grown, if anything it has dropped.

Also making fun of Kamala’s name is very childish.

@Sevenizz: "You think there’s more enthusiasm for Biden than there was for Hillary?

Where?"

I don't know that I would describe it as enthusiasm, but Biden's poll numbers are higher than both Clinton in 2016, and Obama's in 2012.

Yeah, but we know polls amount to squat so you'll have to look at other factors. Also, he's not polling better. This time in 2016, Hillary was leading in those polls by 14% as well. So I hate to break it to you, but Biden ain't polling higher. And except for a couple fliers, he's averaging about 4-5 up right now.

https://time.com/4546942/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-lead-poll/

https://www.prri.org/research/prri-brookings-oct-19-poll-politics-election-clinton-double-digit-lead-trump/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/

Biden is on track to get 10 to 20 million more votes than hilary at this point. Trump at best is on track to do slightly better than 2016 in terms of raw votes which fits a point Eoten made which is that trump has slightly more support. Biden's gains will cancel out any gains trump makes and thus trump will likely lose in a historic blowout and get under 45 percent of the vote.

@super600: I still think you are overstating Biden’s popularity. I would be more inclined to buy it if it was Sanders. Many like me for my back Biden because he isn’t Trump.

I thought you were serious until I read the part about Biden getting 20 million more on top of Hillary's 65 or so. And Trump doesn't have slightly more support, he has a lot more. And not just from minorities either, but there was a LOT of people who believed Ted Cruz's narrative that Trump wasn't really conservative and wasn't serious about being president. Knowing that isn't true, a lot of people who abstained, myself included, will be voting for him this time around.

Biden isn't getting Florida. And he's too anti-energy for the "rust belt" states, and USMCA has aided a lot of farmers in the upper midwest so he will retain Iowa and Wisconsin, and with the rioting leaving a sour taste for the left in the mouths of a lot of fence sitters and abstainers, he'll get Minnesota too.

He's also underestimating the incumbency, one where over 50% saying they feel better off now than before he took office.

@eoten: You don’t know if they credit him with that, and Trump will NOT get Minnesota. Minnesota hadn’t gone red since 1972, even Reagan couldn’t get that state. It’s going blue. The riots are in a small part and most don’t care.

MODERN DAY PRESIDENTIAL!!!

I think there is a chance that biden ends up getting 85 million votes especially if voter turnout is closer to 160 million than 140 million. Trump is not going to gain many votes this time and it's very possible that whatever new voters he gets will get canceled out by the wave of new support that biden gets. I think biden gets close to 80 million votes in November at this point, but the best case scenario has him getting above 85 million votes

3) ideologically tainted, yes. When you are packing the courts with conservatives, they will exert jurisprudence respective to their ideological framework. Otherwise, why are conservatives so keen on getting the SC filled? I don't know where this implied notion comes from that only democrat judges politicize the bench, while conservatives are strictly beholden to the law. It applies both ways.

4) this was stated in jest. I'm an atheist and don't believe in divine intervention either, so let's just call it fate. Fate ordains.

Trump may not stack up there with the worst but I cannot lay that credit to his character, only at the restrictions he is found to operate in that were determined by others long ago. Give him plenary power, and we'll see where it would go. I've no doubt that in a just world, were he not protected by power and privilege his entire life, he'd currently be behind bars or at least have a record. I've no doubt looking at his character and statements, for example, that he's more than likely sexually assaulted and raped numerous women in his time, many probably underage, if not significantly so. This is something I'd be willing to put serious cash down on, and I do not believe I'd lose. Trump's an immoral scumbag.

5) not all, but many, sure. Given Trump's behavior, I can't say that I blame them. He is to be mocked and held in condescension. He is an embarrassing infant of a "man".

As for a peaceful transition of power, I'm in agreement there. And that is largely the responsibility of a president who is taking every initiative to sow disrepute into our very electoral process for nothing but his own gain. Absolutely disgusting and deplorable to take such initiative to undermine the very foundation of our democracy for his own interests. He did the same thing in '16, yet seemed to quickly shut his mouth when the system he derided turned out in his favor. As he will if he's elected this time. A very clear sign he doesn't care one whit about the integrity of elections, as long as they work in his favor.

A bunch of bored students are not going to win the Dems this election. Hard working, tax paying Americans are going to get the leader they deserve. Not Harris.

Jurists of low character politicize their positions. Such low character people come in both political stripes, conservative and liberal. Judge individuals on their actions, not on who appointed them.

All of your conjecture about Trump's possible motives and fictional criminal behavior is just that, conjecture. They are opinions you are certainly entitled to have.

5) If they were only arrogant, condescending and mocking towards Trump, then your counter point would be valid. Unfortunately they direct it at anyone who fails to have the same, extreme low opinion of Trump. This discussion board is overflowing with posters that deride, mock, and insult anyone that fails to meet their standard of vitriol towards Trump. They refer to anyone that supports Trump, no matter their enthusiasm or reasons for that support, as immoral/stupid/racist/ignorant/horrible/cultists/traitors/etc.

Let's not place all the blame for the diminishing of the citizens' faith in our electoral system at Trump's feet. Al Gore was the first loser to not concede before dragging the country through a court battle. And for years after, lots of democrats referred to W as being Selected, not Elected. And we spent the first 3+ years of Trump's presidency listening to democrats and their willing sycophants in the media try to convince us that Trump's victory was illegitimate. Not to mention the unending referrals to the "popular vote", which has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of a US Presidential election. While many do this simply because they are whiny children pissed off because their team lost, it is also a means to delegitimize our electoral system.

This post is silly. More people will vote for Democrats in 2020 like they did in 2016 and 2020. That means most Americans will be in support of Biden/Harris over Trump/Pence. That's a mathematical certainty at this point.

Are you saying most Americans are not hard workers and tax payers? After Trump's corona and economy failure they deserve better.

HAHAHA nice summary, and pretty much how I feel. Especially on the silent majority part; there are a lot more Trump supporters out there than we care to admit. Enough to offset those that switched sides? We shall see.

@comeonman: Jurists of low character politicize their positions. Such low character people come in both political stripes, conservative and liberal. Judge individuals on their actions, not on who appointed them.

I judge people based on their beliefs. They will be operating predicated upon their ideological leanings, that isn't synonymous with being deficient in character.

All of your conjecture about Trump's possible motives and fictional criminal behavior is just that, conjecture. They are opinions you are certainly entitled to have.

Conjecture: the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.

Sorry, the definition doesn't apply in this instance. There is an abundance of evidence, both in character and explicitly spoken statements that Trump has more than likely committed sexual assault. How many sexual accusations against him have been made? Twenty plus? One even by his own ex-wife? Him stating, "I just move on them (like bitches), I don't even wait", and let's not forget his praise of Epstein's taste: "I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side". Someone who was known to walk in on the dressing room of underage girls when he owned the pageant, not to mention attended parties to **** underage models for favors.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion also, but to give Trump the benefit of the doubt in this respect given his character and background is the height of naïveté and gullibility. I just hope you realize you're raging bias might be tainting your view.

5) If they were only arrogant, condescending and mocking towards Trump, then your counter point would be valid. Unfortunately they direct it at anyone who fails to have the same, extreme low opinion of Trump. This discussion board is overflowing with posters that deride, mock, and insult anyone that fails to meet their standard of vitriol towards Trump. They refer to anyone that supports Trump, no matter their enthusiasm or reasons for that support, as immoral/stupid/racist/ignorant/horrible/cultists/traitors/etc.

There is truth in the bolded. Trump is 100% an immoral individual, he very much comes off as an idiot, he appears not only ignorant, but willfully so, so he can exist and live in his own "alternative facts" reality, there can be a very valid case that he holds some racist views given on what's he's stated and his past actions, much of his base are cultish in their unconditional support and adoration of him, and while I disagree with the traitor accusation, his continual undermining of our institutions and favoring the word of our adversaries over our own sources he's taken to oath the uphold and protect certainly makes me understand the sentiment.

Don't act like those are completely unsubstantiated. People have very reasonable cause to believe those things of Trump, and I don't blame them for going after those who support them as it takes willful cognitive dissonance to believe he's some upstanding beacon and bastion of character who's just a poor, poor victim of the Left and the media. He's made his bed, and now people are bitching that he must lay in it.

Let's not place all the blame for the diminishing of the citizens' faith in our electoral system at Trump's feet. Al Gore was the first loser to not concede before dragging the country through a court battle. And for years after, lots of democrats referred to W as being Selected, not Elected. And we spent the first 3+ years of Trump's presidency listening to democrats and their willing sycophants in the media try to convince us that Trump's victory was illegitimate. Not to mention the unending referrals to the "popular vote", which has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of a US Presidential election. While many do this simply because they are whiny children pissed off because their team lost, it is also a means to delegitimize our electoral system.

Yet this is the first time in your 56 years that you are skeptical a peaceful transition of power will take place. Why now? You cite the democrats in the past, why weren't you afraid of unrest then? What's changed? Trump is the one in power who is making repeated claims, sans any foundation, emboldening his fervent base who believes he can do absolutely no wrong to refuse the results on nothing but conspiratorial nonsense in which he operates, while also emboldening resistance against him. He is setting the field. This is HIS doing.

@MirkoS77:

Why am I worried now? Because the willingness for the losing side to accept the results has steadily declined, culminating in the 2016 outcome resulting in people protesting, even rioting in the streets. They were egged on by a media that promoted the notion that the election of Trump was dangerous, unacceptable, and should not have been allowed. Add to that, the growing tribalism promoted by social media and the internet, and I fear our civil society may be fractured beyond repair.

Your responses to me in this thread are a golden example of the mentality that has me worried. You have made up your mind that people that have voted for Trump, and/or are willing to vote for Trump again, are not just wrong, they are BAD people. They are committing a condemnable act by going against your notion of which candidate is not only the right choice, but the acceptable choice.

We used to have a standard when it comes to domestic politics, that we have opponents, not enemies. Those days are gone, and I fear we will never get them back.

Really, you have to be kidding me, lets go back last year the unemployment rate was the lowest it has been in years. Business starting back up in the US. Like anyone else would have done better with the Covid19. Biden can't even remember his own name I hope most people are smart enough to NOT vote for him.

He inherited the economy and unemployment under Obama. Many many other countries did better with Covid-19 so that excuse doesn't wash. I don't think you should bring Biden's mental health into question considering you support trump who makes many many mental errors.

I would be surprised if Trump pulled it off, and equally surprised if Trump does pull it over and there's no rioting.

The Obama administration did evert thing they to destroy the economy with bills like Dodd- Frank the regulations put in place to deter business. They spent the first two years passing Obama Care and taking over the college loan program. They spent eight hundred billion dollars for shovel ready jobs that created no jobs but bailed out local governments and union pension plans. Lets not forget the GM bailout. Gm was going to go into bankruptcy which would have been beneficial for the company it would have come out of bankruptcy a stronger company. Their recovery measures took eight years to accomplish the same thing Trump accomplished in six months with a pandemic, Democrat Governors shutting down states and far left groups destroying Democrat cities. Obama have no record to run on or be proud about.

Obama administration inherited a recession and a bad economy which was trending up when trump entered the office. Dodd Frank was intended to protect consumers...........why are you against that? We need more than the ACA aka Obama care. It is unconscionable for a wealthy country to not give access to health care to it's population. One of the leading causes of bankruptcy in the US is medical costs. Also not sure why you want the auto industry to fail. That would have caused a lot of lost jobs. trump has not recovered the economy from the pandemic and had he done the right thing we'd be on the up in terms of both lowering the infections and recovering the economy. Econ 101.....wall street is not how we judge the economy. Most unemployed since the depression. That is NOT a recovering economy. Obama has NOTHING to do with what happened this year in trump's American. Stop being dishonest.

@JimB: Obama tried to destroy the economy? What is it with conservatives and refusing to give the man credit? He saved it, Bush killed it.

JIm B remains adamant that the US is 211 trillion dollars in debt. He's one of the true believers around here.

Well, he will pull it off, so much so I'd be willing to make a bet here that nobody has been willing to take because they know I am right. But, I will also say that there absolutely will be rioting. If the left cannot win at the ballot box, they'll try violence and destabilization in their last ditch effort. The media is already trying to set the narrative that the election is being rigged and the outcome, if Trump wins, is illegitimate.

@eoten: It is being rigged. Ballot harvesting, attacking mail voting, limiting drop off spots while illegally adding others in blue states, hacking your opponents sons email and then illegally release trying to attach a crime to Joe without solid evidence.

And no, the left won’t riot. But if Trump loses the right will. Because they have said they would.

JFK should come back and helm it.

What do you think he'd say about the DNC today?

Dude, the left is already rioting.

HAHA!!! You can't even get your protests right. Up is down and left is a circle. And if you think those "riots" are only the left, I have a bridge to sell you.

Yeah. To answer your first point there have been no signs that trump is going to get reelected so far.I watched many elections before were the incumbent won despite being down 5 or more points to the challenger because people at the last minute decide to reelect the incumbent because the challenger makes many fatal mistakes closer to election day which the polls fail to pick up. To answer your second point I expect chaos no matter who wins even though it will definitely be muted if biden wins in a landslide.

Gonna be leftwing rioters Vs rightwing murderers and terrorist.

Both sides ferociously fighting over two demented old guys who might be pedophiles.

What will you guys do if Trump wins? With all hes done for 4 years I think it would be 4 times crazy if he won again. I dont know what Id do, but I know I cant take much more of this. Who are these people who go to his rallys, jump and yell, and actually want more of this?

Our intelligence is less concerned with the right (excluding the boogaloo movement) in major metropolitan areas, but the continued unrest/rioting we see from BLM/antifa/far left. My department already has a major shift model in place with mandatory overtime and quick reaction forces on standby. So long as they stay away from best buy and me' next generation preorder...