Who will win the 2020 US Presidential election?

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Poll Who will win the 2020 US Presidential election? (77 votes)

Donald Trump 40%
Joe Biden 60%

Simple, I don't want to know who you want to win, but who you think will win regardless of personal preference. Give reason why you came to this conclusion.

I hate Trump, but I think he will "win". The fix is in. COVID is going to lower in person voting and with Trump and Republicans attacking mail in voting and lowering polling places, not to mention Trump encouraging his voters to harass voters at polling places. This all equals to Trump successfully stealing this election. I hope I am wrong, I just doubt I am.

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#201 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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I'll take anyone but Trump. Even joe the plumber.

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#202 Shmiity
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My guess will be a 290 - 248 Biden victory. 52% - 46% Popular vote spread.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:
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I'm expecting the gap to close somewhat in the next two weeks. Biden's 8-9 point lead will look more like a 5 point perhaps. At this time I'm still not making bets due to 2016 polling errors. The results of 2020 will show if pollsters actually fixed any incorrect methods. I won't be taking their word 100% before we see actual results.

I'm just hoping that this is a record shattering year for turnout across the board in each state. The GOP has tried their hardest to limit voting and will continue to do so. My hope is that people show up no matter what, vote no matter what, and finally rid ourselves of Trump.

I think the problem trump faces at the moment is everyone is just tired of him. It will be a lot harder and likely impossible for trump to close the gap in the next two weeks if like the vast majority of voters(around 55%) are not going to change their mind. Biden’s floor at this point is 9 point and his ceiling is above 10 points.I think there is a 40% chance that biden wins in a landslide at this point in two weeks

I'm hoping for at least 330 EC votes for Biden. That would send strong message.

With all of the internal and public polling data I have seen in solid r and competitive states in this election I think biden will get a lot more than 330 EC votes in about two weeks.

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#204 tenaka2
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I don't think it matters, regardless of the result trump will try and stay and declare the election was rigged. More fun ahead.

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#205 Eoten
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@super600 said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@super600 said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

I'm expecting the gap to close somewhat in the next two weeks. Biden's 8-9 point lead will look more like a 5 point perhaps. At this time I'm still not making bets due to 2016 polling errors. The results of 2020 will show if pollsters actually fixed any incorrect methods. I won't be taking their word 100% before we see actual results.

I'm just hoping that this is a record shattering year for turnout across the board in each state. The GOP has tried their hardest to limit voting and will continue to do so. My hope is that people show up no matter what, vote no matter what, and finally rid ourselves of Trump.

I think the problem trump faces at the moment is everyone is just tired of him. It will be a lot harder and likely impossible for trump to close the gap in the next two weeks if like the vast majority of voters(around 55%) are not going to change their mind. Biden’s floor at this point is 9 point and his ceiling is above 10 points.I think there is a 40% chance that biden wins in a landslide at this point in two weeks

I'm hoping for at least 330 EC votes for Biden. That would send strong message.

With all of the internal and public polling data I have seen in solid r and competitive states in this election I think biden will get a lot more than 330 EC votes in about two weeks.

Want to bet on that? Because you should probably know right now polls are weighted to match a desired outcome. With early voting either tied or favoring Republicans in states like Michigan and PA, both Trump won in 2016, and both Biden need, and the significant amount of NEW voters entered into the rolls in Florida over Democrats shows Trump won't be losing any of the major states he won previously. Where those polls are coming from, straight up, are either inaccurate, or lying to you. You should know that after 2016. Will you still believe them in 2024 when they are proven wrong again I wonder?

You are going to be so disappointed in two weeks.

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@eoten said:

Where those polls are coming from, straight up, are either inaccurate, or lying to you.

Why would fox news rig polls against trump? Are you suggesting that Fox news are only pretending to like trump?

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#207 Eoten
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@tenaka2 said:
@eoten said:

Where those polls are coming from, straight up, are either inaccurate, or lying to you.

Why would fox news rig polls against trump? Are you suggesting that Fox news are only pretending to like trump?

Fox News isn't the far right news source you think it is. They were very anti-Trump in 2016, favoring Jeb and other establishment Republicans. You get one or two on that network that may be fans of his, but overall, not really. So I do find it funny when people like you cite Fox News as if a lot of people on my side of the things actually watch it. Secondly, a lot of Trump supporters just won't answer polls, no matter who is asking. The polls are consistently wrong for many factors, but there are many factors to indicate how a state is going to vote that rely on actual data, and not subjective polling.

For example, do you debate the fact Democrats historically do better in early voting and absentee? And that Trump supporters are less likely to fear Covid, and more likely to vote on election day? If so, then the fact Republicans are tied or leading in early voting in MI and PA should tell you Biden isn't going to get the early lead he absolutely needs. Furthermore, Trumps support amongst Hispanics in Florida was 35% in 2016. That's gone up. And while democrats were able to add more voters to the registration in florida in 2016 by a decent amount, the amount of new voter registration for Republcians is nearly double that of democrats. That means once polls close on November 3rd, you're going to find Trump in a pretty sizeable lead.

So... if all you want to do is focus on polls which were dead wrong in 2016, and ignore all the evidence that actually was accurate in predicting the 2016 election, so be it. Just don't say I didn't tell you so when Biden loses.

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#208 tenaka2
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@eoten said:
@tenaka2 said:
@eoten said:

Where those polls are coming from, straight up, are either inaccurate, or lying to you.

Why would fox news rig polls against trump? Are you suggesting that Fox news are only pretending to like trump?

Fox News isn't the far right news source you think it is. They were very anti-Trump in 2016, favoring Jeb and other establishment Republicans. You get one or two on that network that may be fans of his, but overall, not really. So I do find it funny when people like you cite Fox News as if a lot of people on my side of the things actually watch it. Secondly, a lot of Trump supporters just won't answer polls, no matter who is asking. The polls are consistently wrong for many factors, but there are many factors to indicate how a state is going to vote that rely on actual data, and not subjective polling.

For example, do you debate the fact Democrats historically do better in early voting and absentee? And that Trump supporters are less likely to fear Covid, and more likely to vote on election day? If so, then the fact Republicans are tied or leading in early voting in MI and PA should tell you Biden isn't going to get the early lead he absolutely needs. Furthermore, Trumps support amongst Hispanics in Florida was 35% in 2016. That's gone up. And while democrats were able to add more voters to the registration in florida in 2016 by a decent amount, the amount of new voter registration for Republcians is nearly double that of democrats. That means once polls close on November 3rd, you're going to find Trump in a pretty sizeable lead.

So... if all you want to do is focus on polls which were dead wrong in 2016, and ignore all the evidence that actually was accurate in predicting the 2016 election, so be it. Just don't say I didn't tell you so when Biden loses.

All of this just sounds like wishful thinking, but I guess we will find out in a couple of weeks.

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#209 Eoten
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@tenaka2 said:
@eoten said:
@tenaka2 said:
@eoten said:

Where those polls are coming from, straight up, are either inaccurate, or lying to you.

Why would fox news rig polls against trump? Are you suggesting that Fox news are only pretending to like trump?

Fox News isn't the far right news source you think it is. They were very anti-Trump in 2016, favoring Jeb and other establishment Republicans. You get one or two on that network that may be fans of his, but overall, not really. So I do find it funny when people like you cite Fox News as if a lot of people on my side of the things actually watch it. Secondly, a lot of Trump supporters just won't answer polls, no matter who is asking. The polls are consistently wrong for many factors, but there are many factors to indicate how a state is going to vote that rely on actual data, and not subjective polling.

For example, do you debate the fact Democrats historically do better in early voting and absentee? And that Trump supporters are less likely to fear Covid, and more likely to vote on election day? If so, then the fact Republicans are tied or leading in early voting in MI and PA should tell you Biden isn't going to get the early lead he absolutely needs. Furthermore, Trumps support amongst Hispanics in Florida was 35% in 2016. That's gone up. And while democrats were able to add more voters to the registration in florida in 2016 by a decent amount, the amount of new voter registration for Republcians is nearly double that of democrats. That means once polls close on November 3rd, you're going to find Trump in a pretty sizeable lead.

So... if all you want to do is focus on polls which were dead wrong in 2016, and ignore all the evidence that actually was accurate in predicting the 2016 election, so be it. Just don't say I didn't tell you so when Biden loses.

All of this just sounds like wishful thinking, but I guess we will find out in a couple of weeks.

Yeah, as I said, don't say I didn't tell you so. And when it turns out I am right, I hope you understand it's not because the mainstream media is inept, but intentionally dishonest and misleading.

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@eoten: Only Cubans, you know that. You also know the registration is just a realignment of already established voting trends. Meaning the Republicans most likely just got the last of conservative Democrats.

Logic indicates we don’t know how this will turn out and it’s stupid to claim we do.

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#211  Edited By super600  Moderator
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@eoten said:
@super600 said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@super600 said:

I think the problem trump faces at the moment is everyone is just tired of him. It will be a lot harder and likely impossible for trump to close the gap in the next two weeks if like the vast majority of voters(around 55%) are not going to change their mind. Biden’s floor at this point is 9 point and his ceiling is above 10 points.I think there is a 40% chance that biden wins in a landslide at this point in two weeks

I'm hoping for at least 330 EC votes for Biden. That would send strong message.

With all of the internal and public polling data I have seen in solid r and competitive states in this election I think biden will get a lot more than 330 EC votes in about two weeks.

Want to bet on that? Because you should probably know right now polls are weighted to match a desired outcome. With early voting either tied or favoring Republicans in states like Michigan and PA, both Trump won in 2016, and both Biden need, and the significant amount of NEW voters entered into the rolls in Florida over Democrats shows Trump won't be losing any of the major states he won previously. Where those polls are coming from, straight up, are either inaccurate, or lying to you. You should know that after 2016. Will you still believe them in 2024 when they are proven wrong again I wonder?

You are going to be so disappointed in two weeks.

I was not just talking about public polls in the post you quoted. The same polls you trashed especially at the congressional level showed trump gaining monentum in the last few weeks of that election. Many public and internal congressional districts polls in places like IN-05, PA-10(If I recall), MO-2,TX-3, MI-3, TX-22,TX-24 etc show trump doing anywere from 5-15 points worse than 2016 at the moment. I am not going to talk about some of the other downballot stuff I have seen in texas, georgia, pennsylvania, montana, kansas, west virigina, south carolina and florida. Everything I have seen paints a very grim picture for trump. Trump is on track to bleed votes heavily everywere besides maybe Wyoming and Arkansas at this point and win somewhere between 18 and 20 states if my math is correct. It's possible(but rare) for a candidate down 2 or 3 points to win an election but when that same candidate is down 10 points and is doing significantly worse than 2016 in many of the same places they easily won in that election it is almost impossible for them to win unless their opponent makes a bunch of fatal mistakes.I have watched elections were the latter happened before. In these elections the opposition had a solid lead going into election day and then they made a bunch of fatal mistakes close to the end of those election campaigns. and people at the ballot box decided to vote for the governing party again.

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#212  Edited By deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@eoten: Actually Democrats lead in Pennsylvania and those “new voters” are just a realignment of established voting trends. Democrats still hold the lead.

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#213 LJS9502_basic
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@thegreatchomp: Early voting is at a high though.

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@LJS9502_basic: Ok?

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@zaryia: “I hope it’s Joe. Joe is such a nice guy. He has been in politics for 50 years. We would be better with him.”

LOL

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I think that the silent majority will vote for Trump.

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#217 LJS9502_basic
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@MK-Professor said:

I think that the silent majority will vote for Trump.

They didn't last election so I'm not sure why they would after his disastrous term.

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#218 MK-Professor
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@MK-Professor said:

I think that the silent majority will vote for Trump.

They didn't last election so I'm not sure why they would after his disastrous term.

They did 306 vs 232

Also the 2% difference in votes was a product of fraud on the vote counting process (yes leftist are that bad)

Not disastrous term at all in my book, to be honest I am more excited this time to vote for Trump.

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#219 LJS9502_basic
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@MK-Professor said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@MK-Professor said:

I think that the silent majority will vote for Trump.

They didn't last election so I'm not sure why they would after his disastrous term.

They did 306 vs 232

Also the 2% difference in votes was a product of fraud on the vote counting process (yes leftist are that bad)

Not disastrous term at all in my book, to be honest I am more excited this time to vote for Trump.

EC is not the popular vote which you are advocating in the original post dude.

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#220  Edited By super600  Moderator
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@MK-Professor said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@MK-Professor said:

I think that the silent majority will vote for Trump.

They didn't last election so I'm not sure why they would after his disastrous term.

They did 306 vs 232

Also the 2% difference in votes was a product of fraud on the vote counting process (yes leftist are that bad)

Not disastrous term at all in my book, to be honest I am more excited this time to vote for Trump.

EC is not the popular vote which you are advocating in the original post dude.

The EC will match the PV this time. Trump has a shot at losing by the biggest margin in 32 years in the Electoral college at this point. Also trump is draining votes in safe red states at the moment

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Sucks we have this electoral college nonsense, where the whole process focuses on certain states and favors republicans. Its a bad system. Also you could have only one person in a state and he still gets the same number of senators. And, all the gerrymandering of the repubs. Then, you have Trump contesting mail in. Sheesh, what is all this?

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#222 JimB
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@narlymech said:

Sucks we have this electoral college nonsense, where the whole process focuses on certain states and favors republicans. Its a bad system

Republican's already have to make up a big deficit in electoral votes because of California, Illinois, New York and New Jersey right off the bat. It only becomes an issue when the Democrats lose.

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#223 Maroxad
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@JimB said:
@narlymech said:

Sucks we have this electoral college nonsense, where the whole process focuses on certain states and favors republicans. Its a bad system

Republican's already have to make up a big deficit in electoral votes because of California, Illinois, New York and New Jersey right off the bat. It only becomes an issue when the Democrats lose.

People have disliked the electoral college for a long time.

Did you know that people wanted to abolish it even back in the 70s?

https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-nearly-abolished-thurmond

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/politics/russian-hackers-election-data/index.html

I wonder what they got? Hmmmmmm