Trump Friend Jeffrey Epstein Arrested in NYC on Sex Trafficking Charges.

This is going to **** a lot of rich people up if Epstein goes down in a big way. Doesn't matter what side of the political aisle you're on, a lot of big names have the potential to be implicated. Here's part one of a fun podcast on the man.

https://www.behindthebastards.com/podcasts/part-one-jeffrey-epstein-pimp-to-the-powerful.htm

Dammit, I want my edit/reply/quote buttons back gamespot!

What I would like to edit my post to say is that there's enough big name rich people (Clinton, Trump, etc) involved here that I would bet on most of the evidence being covered up from the public.

@JimB: if the facts determine that clinton had sex with children democrats will reject Clinton.

If facts determine Trump had sex with children Republicans will reject the facts.

GOP

The party or rape.

The party of pedophiles.

The party of values.

Trump haters gonna cry again when he's re-elected in 2020. Maga!

I plan to spend November of 2020 in either hiding or protective custody.

You're a bowl of joy.

Wouldn't it be more politically advantageous to Trump if people were excited about the prospects of another term as opposed to dreading it?

I get that you really, really want this to be the end of the Trump Administration despite the likelihood that this will harm more Democrats than Republicans. I want anyone willingly involved in crimes to be punished no matter who it is, even if the president is one of them, but you are lying to yourself if you believe this will only hurt Trump. Your attempt to try to make this only about him with your original thread title showed from the beginning how you wanted this thread to go but that’s not how things work here. You post a thread you need to be prepared for it not to go the way you want it to.

I already know your dream scenario in all of this:

1. Jeffrey Epstein, as part of a plea deal names Trump as a frequent user of his Lolita Express. If Clinton goes down he is collateral damage, since he’s out of the political scene.
2. Trump immediately resigns, and Pence resigns at the same time due to the idea that there’s no way he didn’t know.
3. Newly inaugurated President Pelosi immediately fires most, if not all of Trump’s cabinet starting with AG Barr. Her new cabinet is quickly confirmed because the formerly majority GOP Senate is greatly reduced due to Epstein naming several GOP senators (but conveniently no Democratic ones) forcing their resignations, and the new confirmations go through before the state governors can replace them. Bonus points if he names a few GOP governors and at least one or two Republican Supreme Court justices too.
4. Pelosi’s new AG immediately files charges against Trump for both the pedo crimes and the Russian collusion/obstruction of justice crimes AG Barr is supposedly covering up. The Trump Organization is forced into bankruptcy and all of his kids (except Barron, being that he is a minor) are indicted in separate crimes.
5. You post a follow-up thread talking about how much you owned every right-leaning poster in this forum.

Sometimes dreams don’t become reality.

Not necessarily. If that dread and a lack of hope keeps those who oppose him from voting, he wins.

Wow. Fear of someone can be an excellent motivator to get to polls, but, again, wow......

Why the wow? This is how Trump won last time.

@ad1x2: you're crazy if you think Trump would resign.

Even with video evidence of him sexually penetrating a child. He wouldn't resign.

He would play victim. And his followers would support him.

@Nuck81: Just like the conservative women wearing "Trump can grab my pu**y 2016" shirts, soon they'll be wearing "You can have my 14 year old daughter 2020".

Reject it? Hell, they'll embrace and cheer him on that he was able to get all that young tail. With such a lack of decency and character that Trump draws, he'd be seen as a bigger hero and his base would buckle down harder than ever. The Republicans know this, so at best they'd keep their mouth shut in cowardly complacency instead of condemning such actions.

Here are the facts: if proof comes out that Donald Trump participated in the Lolita Express then not only do I disavow him, but I hope he is legally held responsible after he is removed for office. But here’s the catch, it has to be actual, undeniable proof, not some fake Dr. Ford or Jussie Smollett proof being used to get a Democrat back in the White House.

Let’s not try to pin pedophiles only on Republicans. There are several videos of Biden touching little kids that people like to ignore, claiming that they are out of context and he is just an old man that doesn’t know better. Yet we get repeated claims that Trump was molesting Ivanka over a picture he took of her and an ill-advised comment he made to complement her.

@zaryia: Again you haven't posted anything of relevance in relation to our argument.

Meanwhile Epstein's connection with the Clinton's is quite interesting.

@Nuck81: lol did we forget the person who started the #metoo movement is a liberal pedophile?

Stop throwing stones from a glass house.

@ad1x2: and there you go. You are already setting up your escape hatch so you can keep worshipping.

There will be no evidence you will accept as definitive.

Nothing.

There are already deep fake videos out there of celebrities with their faces photoshopped on porn stars. I wouldn’t put it past a few tech-savvy anti-Trumpers trying to compose a video of him molesting a child and by the time it was exposed as a fake the political damage would have already been done. I wouldn’t put it past some tech-savvy right wingers doing it to whoever gets the Democratic nomination, so I am equal opportunity in that area of skepticism.

That is why I said I need solid proof, while people that want Trump gone by any means necessary will believe anything as long as it makes Trump look bad. Why else are you and several other posters ignoring the facts about this particular case to include the 26 trips Bill Clinton took on Epstein’s plane in order to focus on what possible connections he may have to Trump?

Here's also the facts:

• Trump sexually objectifies women and views them as a means of conquest.
• he owned a beauty pageant of underage girls and walked in on them while they were in various stages of undress in their dressing rooms.
• he has 16 rape allegations against him. One, two, hell even three I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, but 16? No, ESPECIALLY seeing the type of individual he is. And I believe there's a hell of a lot more women he mistreated that haven't had the courage to come out because they're afraid of the hate, death threats, and public scrutiny they'll get.
• he's explicitly made statements he "doesn't even wait" to move on "bitches".
• he's reputably been in attendance of parties with underage models who were coerced into sexual favors with older, powerful men who offered them advancement in their careers if they gave it up, of which he took full advantage of.
• he's held affiliations and has socialized with Epstein, a known child predator, and stated that he's one that "enjoys his social life", precisely because he likes them young, of which he stated that's something he holds in common.
• he's been downright lecherous in the framing of statements towards his own daughter that tread the border of incestual infatuation. I'll bring up and elaborate on examples if you desire; they are far from "ill advised".

What makes you give him the benefit of the doubt? Simply a lack of legal formality? Because that appears to be the only thing Trump supporters can hide behind.

Sure, let's not try to pin pedophiles only on Republicans (btw, I don't consider Trump a pedophile....I believe he's a hebephile, which is someone that holds sexual attraction to pubescent teenagers and not children), but let's not also try to ignore Trump's past and personality. Biden, for all his faults and errors in judgement, nevertheless strikes me as a man with a solid moral center....Trump doesn't. He revels in the opposite, he embraces moral bankruptcy. He's disrespectful, arrogant, and a bully who holds a philosophy that force and the exercise of power is the way to get things he wants, as has been exemplified through his entire life and now further demonstrated by his approach of and manner of governance.

I often wonder: if those who support Trump truly believe him innocent of these accusations and they are parents of young, beautiful women themselves, would they be willing to place their money where their mouth is and allow their daughters to be around Trump in situations that present potential risk? Would you?

I.......I don't know how to explain to you that hoping others are both afraid and hopeless is a bad thing. I'm at a true loss.

I am aware that men going after 14-year olds would be more on the line of being an ephebophile or a hebephile depending upon how old the 14-year old actually looks. Like most people, it’s a lot easier and more common to default to just calling them all pedophiles, and once I was personally attacked online and accused of being one myself simply because I actually took the time to tell someone the difference in the definition (without defending the person) while posting in the comments section of a Yahoo! News article about some teacher that screwed her 16 or 17-year old student. Go figure.

But to respond to your post, I already know that Trump isn’t some saint. I am partially confident that he screwed Stormy Daniels while Melania was pregnant with Barron. The Access Hollywood tape was pretty vulgar. But the problem with the tape is bragging about things he thinks he can do due to his wealth =/= a recorded confession of sexual assault no matter how much we may want it to be. I’ve already said it several times to death ears on this forum, but if you really want to blame someone for Trump being president, then blame NBC for trying to save the tape as an October surprise in an attempt to hand the election to Hillary. If they released it at the beginning the Republican primaries, then maybe Ted Cruz would be president right now, or Hillary if he couldn’t overcome her.

In this country, we presume innocence until the person is proven guilty. That is why I may mention Clinton’s 26 recorded trips on the so-called Lolita Express, but that in itself doesn’t mean he was flying there to screw a bunch of kids. If he was and the statute of limitations have not passed, then I hope he is punished. In the case of Trump, while we can say that he has too many accusations for it to be a coincidence, there are also a lot of powerful people that want him out of office that could easily gather several people to accuse him of misconduct.

In regards to the topic of this thread and the hopes of the TC that he is some pervert that is just like Epstein, most people looking at the big picture would assume Trump as AG Barr’s boss would have killed any investigation against Epstein if there was a chance he himself would be implicated, especially with no doubts he was involved in trying to stop the Mueller investigation. Democrats that found out he killed the investigation would be unlikely to try and use it against him politically since some of them would most likely be implicated as well, and their freedom is probably more important to them than a political win over Trump.

@Serraph105: People are exited about the prospect of another term, that's why he'll win again. Liberals crying again after he wins is just a bonus.

I'm at a loss as to why you think you need to explain it to me.

Want to explain it to someone who needs to hear it? The address is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, D.C. Go pay them a visit.

Unless you mean a bad thing as far as strategy... in which case, unfortunately, it's proven not to be a bad strategy for Trump.

@Nuck81: If facts determine Clinton had sex with a child, Democrats will vote to legalize sex with children.

Democrats already support NAMBLA.

*Citation needed.

Funny you mention that,

Tennessee GOP kill bill to ban child marriage

https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919

Republicans in state with highest rate of child marriage vote to keep it legal

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2019/3/1/1838685/-Republicans-in-state-with-highest-rate-of-child-marriage-vote-to-keep-it-legal

Idaho lawmakers kill bill that would have ended child marriage under 16 in state

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/432157-idaho-lawmakers-kill-bill-that-would-have-ended-child-marriage-in-the

TEEHEE.

Trump is of course defending Acosta,

Trump Defends Labor Secretary Acosta Over Epstein Plea Deal

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/452202-trump-defends-acosta-amid-epstein-scrutiny

@ad1x2: Wow. Party bias. An honorable person doesn't have double standards.

Why did Acosta give him a plea deal? Was it some political favor, or was it because the prosecution was afraid they didn’t have enough evidence to get a conviction in a trial, meaning he would have walked with nothing?

That is a legitimate question, not me trying to be an apologist, and if it‘s the former rather than the latter then Acosta needs to own it and the consequences.

All politicians guilty of a crime, regardless of party, should be punished. That includes any with the last name of Trump if it comes to that.

You’re calling me out for my post, but have you called out the TC for literally putting “Trump Friend Jeffrey Epstein” in the thread title in an obvious attempt to make it sound like Trump is guilty of what Epstein may be guilty of? Of course you won’t, because you want Trump gone while Clinton is not in power right now.

It's always irked me a bit honestly that anyone going after someone under 18 is immediately labelled a pedophile. I don't excuse preying on the young, but a pedophile goes after prepubescents, those who've shown no indicators of sexual maturity as opposed to teenagers who have. That's a major distinction, and it's one people shouldn't so cavalierly fail to make when suspecting these individuals of wrongdoing. Definitions matter. It's like accusing someone of rape who grabs someone by the ass (I realize not an equal analogy, just to provide some contrast).

The Access Hollywood tape isn't a confession of guilt to a specific instance, but it is a confession of a sexual assaulter. If somebody said, "I just go up to people, put a gun to their head, and pull the trigger" would you argue that's not a confession of a murderer? Unless they're just jesting, and while Trump did say it in levity around a bunch of guys, I doubt he was considering all the other circumstances tending to point to him. Once again, as I've said twice, the only thing that stands between Trump and undeniable guilt is a matter of simple formality.

I'll never give Trump the benefit of the doubt when it comes to appearance and accusations of impropriety because of who he is. Sure there are people out there just as powerful, like Clinton, who could be implicated. But insofar as believing that he's being framed more so than the actual truth of the accusations laid against him, I'll believe the latter predicated upon Trump's own behavior. There's no bringing him to the level of other powerful people in terms of what type of man he is. Sure, they may be all just as bad, perhaps Trump simply doesn't give a shit in coming off as worse, but then he (nor his supporters) can blame me for suspecting him above others.

If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck....

The rumors of bill clinton taking air plane rides to pedo island have been going around for the last 10 years, people tried to say it was all just a conspiracy. This isn't a new thing. People have been talking about this.

Apparently Bill Clinton rode Epstein's private jet 26 times, according to CNN.. https://youtu.be/cRZh5hoTEUk

@MirkoS77: if you're under 18 you're a kid, legally a child.

You can use whatever definition you want, but fucking kids isn't ok.

Why are you trying so hard to defend fucking kids?

@Nuck81: I understand that and I’m not. I’m simply saying there’s a distinction to be made. When you’re going to accuse someone of something, accuse them correctly.

You do know that the age of consent, even in some places in the U.S., is 16 yes? Back in Hawaii it was only 14 until it changed to 16 in 2001. So don’t tell me I’m defending fucking children, or that it’s in any way analogous to infants, toddlers and prepubescents.

That's only for international, interstate, or porn. There are, at current, only 12 states that have an age of consent at 18; 8 have it at 17, and the rest at sixteen. I don't think you want to do a political alignment check of the states that did raise the age unless you want even more bad news.

Why was this not mentioned in the 2016 presidential campaign? I will tell you why Clinton is good friends with this guy and the media wanted to protect Hillary. Trump threw this guy off his property in Florida over fifteen years ago after receiving complaints about him.

Sooo, he's being brought up on federal charges. That means it is Trump's DOJ bringing the charges.

Not W's DOJ.

Not Obammy's DOJ

but Trump's DOJ.

I wonder why, in 2008 when the political establishment was firmly in charge and unchallenged, did this guy get his sweetheart deal?

Wonder why its now, when Trump is in charge, that this scumbag is finally being put in serious jeopardy?

It will be interesting to see who cooperates and who stonewalls, once the subpoenas for evidence and testimony start to fly.

This is going to be interesting to watch unfold.

@comeonman: because of a reporter at the Miami herald

@Nuck81: In high school there are a lot 18 year olds that date younger high schoolers. Just saying.

well now, if this isn't shady AF

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/comeys-daughter-named-to-epstein-prosecution-team

@watercrack445: ok. What about college kids dating younger high school kids?

@Nuck81: Is this some kind of a trap your pulling me into?

Edit: yeah, if they are having sexual contact with each other then it's techinally illegal but I'm not sure about under 18 year old consenting.

What are you saying?

That it took a newspaper reporter to expose Epstein for the POS that he is? Surely not. This guy Epstein has been a known commodity for a long time. I don't follow this stuff real close, but I knew who he was before this latest arrest.

@watercrack445: so where do you draw the line?

@comeonman: that's exactly what happened. He was rich, well connected, given a slap on the wrist and continued living the same lifestyle.

Only diligent reporting kept it alive and in the forefront. Eventually enough exposure led to him being arrested