Nearly a third of all Republicans say they definitely wont get vaccinated, citing Trump

Nearly a third of all Republicans say they ‘definitely won’t’ get vaccinated, citing Trump’s Covid falsities

Nearly a third of all Republicans say they ‘definitely won’t’ get vaccinated, citing Trump’s Covid falsities | The Independent

Many Republicans don’t want a coronavirus vaccine - The Washington Post

Fourpolls/surveys similar general trend. The number ranges from 28-41% (two polls at 41%) depending on the question,

https://www.axios.com/republicans-coronavirus-vaccine-hesitancy-023bf32f-3d68-4206-b906-4f701b87c39f.html

KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor: February 2021 | KFF

KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor/KFF Health Tracking Poll February 2021

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2100351

Politics still drives how Americans feel about COVID response, one year in | PBS NewsHour

WOW. What a bunch of loons. Troubling indeed.

Awesome, my family should be able to get them that much sooner.

This fucking sucks so hard. We're starting to roll out vaccine so fast we could pretty much smite covid-19 off the face of the earth by July, but a bunch of dipshits refusing to vaccinate means it's going to keep it lingering until it can mutate. We're talking this is the key moment where this either becomes smallpox or annual flu 2. How embarrassing.

@Vaasman: From my understanding the vaccine isn't going to stop covid even if 100% would get it, it's no different from the annual flu shots. Getting the shot doesn't even mean you're immune from getting covid.

lmao.

'Wearing a seat belt won't save you from 100% of car accidents!'

lol 'Citing Trump'

Meanwhile that orange grifter secretly rec'd the vaccine in January. This is a perfect scenario of leading by example, and the pitfalls that occur when we have a morally bankrupt human at the helm.

Not surprising.

Normally I'd say something like "Well, you can't fix stupid" and walk away, but unfortunately this has a negative impact on every responsible person out there.

What a slap to the face to every single medical worker, emergency responder, and person that worked to save lives, ease suffering, and develop a vaccine in record time.

Wait but didn't Trump "secretly" take the vaccine in January? There's no doubt much darker figures in history than Trump but seeing this mass phenomenon of how a conman managed to trick millions into being basically lemmings is sad but simultaneously hilarious.

With a firm control over his cult, Trump could have been the greatest savior to the country during the pandemic. With a single tweet, he could have gotten a third of the country to instantly demand full mask wearing, social distancing, support for emergency personnel, front line workers, teachers, and medical workers, and with everyone else listening to the scientists, it would make the US one of the best at responding to the pandemic.

But he chose to burn it all down.

@Willy105: But his political project was always about creating division no matter how many died on his way to re-election. He organized mass gatherings, against all scientific evidence, that no doubt caused deaths, because he felt that was his path to victory.

I said it a few years ago that I wanted Trump to be re-elected because he would eventually have to deal with a crisis and the world needed to see how mediocre he was. Was not counting hundreds of thousands of deaths tbh.

But nothing matters. Not only he's responsible for ruining the plans put in place by the previous administration for a case such as this, he encouraged his followers to go spread the virus and still he's the greatest President ever. 🤣

And it's like you've said. All he needed was just to not be a sociopath and would have been seen as an hero while actually winning the election.

They are the party that would still do them selves and the world more harm than admit their horrible at policy making and step aside and let someone better do it.

@HoolaHoopMan: But nevermind the hundreds of thousands of deaths and let's focus in cancel culture!

So, no citations where this study came from, who conducted it, and how it was conducted?

"according to a growing number of polls"

Lol!

Poll: One-third of Republicans won’t get COVID vaccine | RochesterFirst

Yeah they should have linked some, reputable paper or not.

A majority of people in the health industry won’t get it either. Not because of politics but because they don’t want to be guinea pigs.

Even that link doesn't even provide linkage to the study or anything beyond naming who completed the study. Pretty sloppy journalism (a term I use lightly now).

I had to do some digging to find the most recent study available on Kaiser's website, a phone survey. 28% for Republicans, 18% for independents, and 2% of Democrats for the "definitely not". Interestingly though; Democrats, Independents and Republicans are all pretty even on the "wait and see" approach with 19% (D), 23% (I), 18% (R).

The problem with all of this however is the methodology and not being a representative sampling. And then not providing the error margins within the specific groups which they admit is much higher, among admitting to oversampling of others. Look at their samples for the political affiliation: Democrats (764), Independents (555), and Republicans (328).

While I know there's many frothing for the political punditry, I find this to be a poor means of going about it. But I did chuckle at the rounding up to a "nearly 1/3" from 28%, but that's the news now.

Why do mods even allow these baseless shit posts? I'm surprised people actually take his flame bait.

I wonder...

"Experts seek to allay COVID vaccine hesitancy in Black Americans"

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/02/experts-seek-allay-covid-vaccine-hesitancy-black-americans

Also interesting to note, a reason why people are hesitant.

"COVID-19 and mRNA Vaccines—First Large Test for a New Approach"

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2770485

People shouldn't be hesitant going by most studies and professionals.

Because it's not baseless. The Independent is very reliable, and they weren't making it up:

KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor: February 2021 | KFF

KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor/KFF Health Tracking Poll February 2021

another,

Republicans are least likely to want the coronavirus vaccine - Axios

Data you don't like =/= Shitposting and flamebaiting. Yeah, being wrong isn't fun, but no reason to always lash out when you are. Ad-homs suck, try to refute the data. Apology accepted in advance.

No. Their results were weighted,

The combined landline and cell phone sample was weighted to balance the sample demographics to match estimates for the national population using data from the Census Bureau’s 2019 U.S. American Community Survey (ACS), on sex, age, education, race, Hispanic origin, and region, within race-groups, along with data from the 2010 Census on population density. The sample was also weighted to match current patterns of telephone use using data from the January- June 2020 National Health Interview Survey. The weight takes into account the fact that respondents with both a landline and cell phone have a higher probability of selection in the combined sample and also adjusts for the household size for the landline sample, and design modifications, namely, the oversampling of prepaid cell phones and likelihood of non-response for the re-contacted sample. All statistical tests of significance account for the effect of weighting.

KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor/KFF Health Tracking Poll February 2021

More data on this, but by Civiqs,

Republicans are least likely to want the coronavirus vaccine - Axios

Link?

@zaryia:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/science/medical-dispatch/why-are-so-many-health-care-workers-resisting-the-covid-vaccine/amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/some-health-care-workers-are-still-saying-no-to-a-covid-19-vaccine-11612089020

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/01/952716705/some-health-care-workers-are-hesitant-about-getting-covid-19-vaccines

Not a great poll, which explains the very high error margin (7%+). Remember that "weighting" means manipulation "to better reflect" demographics.

Polling is such a joke. There's motive to weight polling and design questions to result in a pre-desired result, and they do it. It's been proven. If NBC polls 1,000 people it's going to be a poll of 1,000 people who watch NBC which in itself is going to put a far left slant on the results, they know it too. But it works to influence public opinion by making the less intelligent herd-minded types believe a majority of people think a certain way, and so to fit in, they must too. It'd be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

Weighted polls, polls that target specific groups, or are conducted with a specific set of questions or targeting specific groups, it's propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less.

Cue Zaryia with a poll that says polls are 100% honest and trustworthy. I wouldn't be surprised if he reads a coffee vs tea poll every morning before deciding what he'll have to drink at breakfast based on what the results show most people preferring.

That's not really how it works. They poll random people, and use appropriate weighting.

NBC-WP in particular is pretty good with an A- accuracy.

Pollster Ratings | FiveThirtyEight

Here is their methodology,

NBC4/Washington Post/Marist DC poll - The Washington Post

Tell me what you don't like.

The numbers in both of those polls, even when accounting full margin of error, is still troubling.

Also,

Harvard regarding this topic,

An Uncertain Public — Encouraging Acceptance of Covid-19 Vaccines | NEJM

For different reasons, though also related to distrust, Americans who identify as Republicans are less likely than Democrats to say they will get vaccinated. A quarter of Republicans (26%), as compared with half of Democrats (52%), say they “definitely” will. This finding reflects a more recent polarization in the United States that affects responses to nearly every facet of contemporary policy.4 Regarding Covid-19, polls show that Republicans have less confidence than Democrats do that medical scientists will act in the public’s best interest (36% vs. 54%), and less trust in every source of vaccine information polls have asked about, with the exception of former President Donald Trump. Republicans thus have had little trust in President Joe Biden regarding such information (23% vs. 93%).

"Similarly, physicians from well-respected medical institutions in Republican-leaning states should be incorporated into efforts in those states."

I agree with that idea. These numbers have to change.

Never said that. You just happened to pick a horrible example by saying NBC. They are pretty good. National polling is accurate enough on average, some years it is more off though but not by anything crazy. For 2016 it was ~1.5% off for 2020 it was ~3% off.

I only use polls to talk about public opinion. Not form facts about other subjects. For example, I don't think vaccines are good because of this poll. I know they are good because of medical studies. I'm using this poll to show a chunk of Republicans are being unwise. Like the 70%+ who thought Biden stole the election (hopefully that number has changed now). The figure this poll describes, whether it be +/-3% off, are objectively in the wrong.

Or another example. I don't think Trump is the worst president ever because he has the worst approval ever. I think he's bad for other reasons. That figure is just to talk about public opinion, I like to see what most Americans think.

The fickle minds in political waters, with enthralled punditry, is hardly something that would drive anxiety in my life nor would any poll keep me up at night, mind you. To each their own.

I rest my case.

Funny I remember people calling Trump stupid for saying we'll be able to roll out vaccines by the end of the year. I wonder what would happen if he said don't jump off a cliff.

Which makes the OPs insinuations that much more ridiculous. It was those on the left claiming that the vaccine is too soon, too rushed and hasn't spent long enough in testing and saying they wouldn't take it. Now they're trying to flip that narrative with fake polling to try to paint a dishonest picture of people on the right. It's what fake news does.

But I literally never said that. I literally never said they are 100% honest. In fact I pointed out the 1.5% average error and 3% average error for 2016 and 2020 pollsters. This is not a 100% accuracy rating.

I also explicitly said I don't use polls to make a conclusion on certain topics, rather to talk about what Americans think about subjects. I do not think Vaccines are good or bad due to polls, I think that due to peer reviewed medical studies that do not include polling or surveys.

You're being extremely disingenuous. Very naughty!

It's not my insinuation. It's 3 surveys, neither of which have really been refuted. The Harvard one is telling,

An Uncertain Public — Encouraging Acceptance of Covid-19 Vaccines | NEJM

For different reasons, though also related to distrust, Americans who identify as Republicans are less likely than Democrats to say they will get vaccinated. A quarter of Republicans (26%), as compared with half of Democrats (52%), say they “definitely” will. This finding reflects a more recent polarization in the United States that affects responses to nearly every facet of contemporary policy.4 Regarding Covid-19, polls show that Republicans have less confidence than Democrats do that medical scientists will act in the public’s best interest (36% vs. 54%), and less trust in every source of vaccine information polls have asked about, with the exception of former President Donald Trump. Republicans thus have had little trust in President Joe Biden regarding such information (23% vs. 93%).

I probably should have lead with that one, added it to the OP yesterday. Apologies for any inconvenience.

I need citation that my 3 surveys giving the same general trend are "fake", especially the Harvard one. Not arm-chair theories, links that their methodology styles (all 3) are generally or specifically unacceptable. Or that The Independent is fake news. At most you can nitpick and say just one of the pollsters has a higher than average margin error, but hardly fake. Even then you would be at odds with the other 2.

Those people were wrong in their predictions. These specific Republicans are wrong about vaccines.

See what I did there? Logic!

It doesn't matter if other people don't get vaccinated. You liberals are always forcing other people to do things against their will. As long as you and your family get vaccinated, what does it matter what other people decide??

@blaznwiipspman1: It matters due to herd immunity numbers, the fact that some can't get vaccinated, and that some vaccinations don't take.

I am not getting the vaccine and it has nothing to do with Trump. I just don't trust it and they are already saying you may need booster vaccines for the different variations that are occurring. Guess what it is my right not to get it also.

If I ever do get it Ill wait a while when they have a shot that is a one time thing that covers everything. People say trust the science, but science screws up also.

@mattbbpl: herd immunization is bs anyways. If just the elderly and those with pre existing conditions get the vaccine, you will pretty much save 99% of all victims. Those are the people already lining up to get the vaccine. The young and healthy can ride out the virus and be fine after 2 weeks. I caught covid recently, the variant version too. Although I'm fairly young, I'm not that healthy. I was able to get through easily relative to others. I drank a lot of green tea, increased my vitamin c intake by 300%, took vitamin d3 supplements, ate grapes and dark chocolate and I made sure to eat as much as I normally do. Aside from the first few days which I experienced fever and chills, the hardest part was shortness of breath which went on for a week before subsiding.

You dont need to give everyone a vaccine.

thanks, and im still recovering. I'd say im at 90% of my baseline, since im still experiencing some tiredness, coughing and slight shortness of breath.

I agree many people will experience respiratory issues that extend well beyond a few weeks but I believe it should be a choice for anyone to get the vaccine. The young don't really need it in my opinion, but its a nice to have.

I still think the main priority are the elderly and those with pre existing conditions. If you can vaccinate those people, then thats enough in terms of protecting society. They should be the #1, #2 and #3 priority.

I would have agreed with you before I caught covid, but now I think I would rather have that vaccine than deal with the pain in the ass symptoms. Covid is probably the sickest Ive ever been in my life, and if not, it ranks right up there at the top of the list. Still, my symptoms were pretty mild over the past 2 weeks but I'd rather have that vaccine than deal with covid. Trust me, if you can get the vaccine, go and get it.

@blaznwiipspman1: Link to herd immunization being bs? That's how we eradicated other diseases.