ICE Director: ICE Can't Be Compared To Nazis Since We're Just Following Orders

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And no, this is sadly not from the onion...

Asked what he thinks of people comparing ICE to Nazis, acting director Thomas Homan replied with the Nuremberg defense.

The acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement said Monday that comparing ICE agents to Nazis is unfair, because “they’re simply enforcing laws enacted by Congress”.

Thomas Homan employed the “Nuremberg defense” – used by German Nazi officials in an attempt to escape accountability with the claim they were merely following orders.

Homan then followed up saying he wished those against the Trump administration’s “zero-tolerance” policy would display outrage over crimes committed by undocumented immigrants – employing less charitable language:

“Let’s protect American citizens as much as you’re fighting for the illegal alien.”

You know things are going great when the government uses ther Nuremberg defense.

WOW!

Ironically just last night I was watching 'The Eichmann Show'

LMAO this is surreal.

@deeliman: People who compare ICE to Nazi´s have no idea what they are talking about, and have no idea what a nazi really is.

Not to mention the whole Goodwin thing, not to mention the left is just poor at making valid arguments, so they turn to these poor attacks because they know they have no actual valid arguments.

ICE is performing a duty and apprehending criminals who do not care about law and order.

@deeliman: They can't be compared to Nazis because they are not murdering people by the thousands.

even after explanation people STILL miss the irony

the irony is not in the that.

the irony is in WHY the ICE person said it cant be done.

are you familiar with Adolf Eichmann? he made the EXACT SAME argument as to why he was innocent.

@tryit: What irony? But all there is to this debate is Goodwin.

Go read up on it and learn a thing or two.

@tryit: The problem is they should never have been compared to begin with. But considering the left is piss poor at bringing up talking points you knew it was only a matter of time before they threw out the term "Nazi".

Calling refugees and people who just want a better life criminals only serves to dehumanize them, which is why you see no problem with putting children in concentration camps. You do not see them as human.

The thing is, the holocaust did not start with genocide. It started with dehumanizing people. Now I'm not saying the US is Nazi Gemany quite yet, but they are getting dangerously close.

It's amusing when you say that other people are poor at making valid arguments, when the only argument you Trump supporters have is circular reasoning. The law is moral, therefore putting children in concentration camps is moral, because it's the law.

@deeliman:

Like as if we didn't already know. We have no use for people who can't think for themselves and follow orders blindly.

@deeliman: First a Goodwin. You need to go educate yourself on Germany and the lead up to the 2nd world war.

Also as to the rest , well this says it all.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4656154/senator-obama-immigration-2005

This guy is 100% correct, there is no room in America for people who do not accept our country’s laws.

Then maybe the ICE director should have said that, instead of using the exact same argument that literal nazi's made to excuse their crimes.

@deeliman: I think anyone sensible can see that he was unprepared and just came up with the first thing that popped into his head.

It´s why there is a Goodwin law

The ICE Director made these comments on his own.

It was a poor choice of word with bad optics, like this entire situation. Don't damage control that fact by bringing up liberals.

Speaking of poor optics,

https://people.com/politics/corey-lewandowski-womp-womp-migrant-girl-down-syndrome-separated-mom/

Goodwin? You don't even know the name of the argument you're using lmao. It's called godwin's law. And it's not a fallacy. Godwin himself has even said the following regarding Trump and Hitler comparisons: "Sure, call Trump a Nazi. Just make sure you know what you’re talking about."

And regarding that video of Obama, wanting to stop illegal immigration and wanting humane treatment of illegal immigrants are not opposing viewpoints. Besides that, I don't follow Obama as a cult like leader, like you people do with Trump. He has done and said things that I don't agree with.

@zaryia: Its not damage control it's a simple fact. The left came up with the point to compare them to Nazi's in the first place. Somehow you are focused on his lack of ability to debate over the fact that this ridiculous comparison exist in the first place.

Nazis made the argument that they are innocent because they followed orders

Nazis made the argument that they are innocent because they followed orders

Nazis made the argument that they are innocent because they followed orders

Nazis made the argument that they are innocent because they followed orders

Nazis made the argument that they are innocent because they followed orders

Nazis made the argument that they are innocent because they followed orders

Nazis made the argument that they are innocent because they followed orders

Nazis made the argument that they are innocent because they followed orders

Nazis made the argument that they are innocent because they followed orders

Nazis made the argument that they are innocent because they followed orders

It's Jacanuk, he's just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. He's making 0 sense in this thread.

The ICE Director literally used a NAZI defense talking point with extremely poor timing resulting in a HUGE gaff.

and that is very cute and precious but its not the subject of the OP or the conversation.

the subject is the irony of the reasons given.

focus

This thread is about this extraordinary and ironic gaff. Why would I change the topic.

I agree with you. Mark it on the calender.

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"We're just following orders." Oh, you mean like...

-The Nazis?

-The Communists?

-The Fascists?

-The British Parachute Regiment in Northern Ireland during the Troubles?

-The IRA?

-ISIL?

Who are these guys fooling?

@tryit:

"You know things are going great when the government uses ther Nuremberg defense."

Sorry when i spot agendas i point them out.

Yeah, I know. Still though, I think it's becoming increasingly important to call people out on their reprehensible opinions.

i fail to see the problem

yes everyone has an agenda, that is wonderful!

now, related to the irony of the comment in question is the subject here, not you ignoring that irony of the specific statement that has been repeated about a thousand times in this thread

so you disagree with what the director of ICE said?

They literally did use the Nuremberg defense. That is a fact.

@zaryia: I see you again are trolling.

Don´t you ever get tired of being wrong? Also anyone with 2 brancells, can see the guy just used the first thing that popped into his mind.

This is why there is a Goodwin.

1. What did I state that was wrong ITT? Can you quote it?

2. Tired? You mean like thinking Trump didn't win the uneducated vote, thinking DACA were harmful for out economy, thinking Trump wasn't fact checked every week, or thinking Russia did not meddle? What are we at now, 8:0?

@deeliman: Nice failed argument there.

And wanting to prosecute the illegal immigrants and Germany have nothing to do with each other.

But do please come up with your solution to the situation, and no the solution is not to prosecute the criminals who think they can gain entry to the US by illegal means.

As Obama so clearly said, these illegals are criminals and should of course be prosecuted.

do you disagree with the reason he gave?

lets start with that

How did you obtain that crystal ball that allows you to enter his mind to know that is not really what he meant? And even if it was just poorly worded, it's still very ironic.

yeah the take away here is not so much to the question of should people compare this with Nazism.

That is not the take away here, the take away is that someone at that level of importance and in that specific position is so stupid about that specific history that he didnt know this fact AND that the irony even though its glaring, has to actually be explained to Trumpists.

THAT is the scary take way here.

@Jacanuk: 1. Everything you just said are the things that were used to support as officers in nazi germany.

2.there are a billion easier and more humane way to do this.

3. These are trying to legally seek Asylum

@deeliman: The fact he was even asked the question is far more concerning to me.

Who cares what the guy said, using a Nazi comparison just lost the debate for the far-left people using it.

It´s as stupid as comparing FBI or normal cops to "nazis"

Eventually, Godwin's law becomes void. Is that point when children are getting thrown into camps, or is it some point after?

One can never learn from history if drawing parallels to it is taboo.

@Jacanuk:

And wanting to prosecute the illegal immigrants and Germany have nothing to do with each other.

Perhaps not, but putting children in concencentration camps and using the same argument literal nazi's used to justify it has a lot of similarities with Nazi Germany.

But do please come up with your solution to the situation

Detain the parents and children together in humane conditions (so not in cages). Process their application for asylum. If they qualify, let them in. If they don't, deport them together. This is what civilized countries do, and it is not hard to do nor difficult to come up with. Trump is going out of his way to make the process as cruel as possible to serve as a detterent for illegal immigration, that is why anyone who is a decent human being is critisizing this, and that is not just leftists. There is a sizeable group of republicans in your country who find this practice abbhorent as well.

The problem with this argument is that there are no parallels. Since the two things have nothing in common.

And if the Democrats really want a solution to this, why are they blocking bills that could resolve it, and instead want Trump to use an executive order, which is ironic considering they have said several times that he misuses the power.

Ha. Ha. Ha. Dry, disingenuous laughter.

Boy oh boy, we really are repeating history.

If anyone cares for a nice read in the psychology of this mechanic ("just following orders"), please go here.

I generally don't like hyperbole, but honestly I feel like asking "what's next?". Ghettos? Segregation? Mass graves? Shoot-on-sight policy at the border? Yeah I know it's crazy, but then again we have thousands of "Minutemen" (what a disgrace to our country's historic militia) sitting in lawn chairs at the border with guns, ready for some skewed vigilante justice.

Maybe to test and see if Trump is truly despotic?

If Trump can stop a terrible, possibly illegal law simply through an executive action...shouldn't he? And if he doesn't, isn't that proof he is unfit for office?

I don't like it, but props to the democrats for finally playing as dirty as the Republicans. Took them long enough.

Well, despotic? all he did was make a zero-tolerance policy, he is not the cause of why families can´t be kept together. Kids are mandated by long-time existing policies to be taken away from incarcerated parents.

Also, it does not have to be an executive order, all he has to do is order the justice dept, to not have a zero-tolerance policy.

But that is clearly not the answer, since we have laws in this country for a reason, and excluding people with kids, sets a terrible precedent and sets kids up for being misused by human traffickers and other.

Also, you don´t like it, but it´s ok when the democrats don´t do something about it? because so far the only backlash is against Republicans and trump?

You seem to miss something here.

This is not a policy against Americans, but criminals who break the law and it´s actually following humanitarian reasons that kids are not to be held in jail with their parents.

Regardless of the merits of the comparison, seriously, doesn't help their case to use the same excuse the Nazis did, that they were just following orders.

In their defense, the Milford Experiment showed that just about anybody will do bad things when ordered to, maybe the lesson to be learned is not put hateful people with bad policy ideas in charge of our governing institutions, I mean, did we really expect anything less when we put incompetent and shamelessly racists people in power?

I don't blame ICE, under the current economy, I imagine most anybody wouldn't give up their livelihoods to protest the inhumanity of the current situation. I blame the dimwits who voted for Trump.

interesting.

where does obama state that family separation is a necessary step in order to "stop, process, and deport" immigrants?

So shoot on site does sound reasonable becuase of that fact?

he is asking where is the line, you seem to suggest there isnt one

They broke the law of not filling out paperwork properly.

I would have more respect for you and people like you if you just stopped lying and being disingenuous. Just own up to the fact that you're racist. And own up to the fact that you love what Trump is doing to these kids because you hate brown people. There's nothing I hate more than a liar.

you have to not use the word, they will get distracted by moniker and get completely off point as to why you applied that term.