I don't understand how Biden can be in the Democratic lead

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#1  Edited By deactivated-63d1ad7651984
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He's a out of touch corporate shill along with being against legalization of Marijuana and saying video games are not healthy remember this is the moron that wanted to tax violent video games lol. I was going to vote for him a couple of months ago but I just can't bring myself to it anymore what do you think about Biden why do the Dems love him so much? looks like it will be 2016 all over again.

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#2 plageus900
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@warmblur: The same reason Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nomination.

Her war against violent video games rings a bell.

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#3 horgen  Moderator
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Thanks Obama.

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  • Most of the voting mass is politically illiterate. All they see is a recognized former vice president of a president they were pretty okay with, and they go with it.
  • The current field of candidates is too large. Too many candidates are likely causing decision anxiety and divided backing. Once the field is shaved down to 10 or less I expect to see him fall off in most polls.
  • Biden has a lot of corporate backing. His bigger donors are looking for a return to normalcy more than bold action or needed reforms (or actually beating Trump). As a result he's got a solid foundation for advertising and developing his campaign.
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#5 Solaryellow
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You've seen the other candidates for the Democrats?

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#6  Edited By judaspete
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There are a number of reasons and most of the answers people gave so far make sense. Here's my take: I think a lot of people see him as a safe choice. He may not inspire them as much as other candidates, but they think he can win by being inoffensive to moderates and independents. Basically making the same mistake they made in 2016.

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#7 vl4d_l3nin
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@judaspete said:

There are a number of reasons and most of the answers people gave so far make sense. Here's my take: I think a lot of people see him as a safe choice. He may not inspire them as much as other candidates, but they think he can win by being inoffensive to moderates and independents. Basically making the same mistake they made in 2016.

and the same mistake Republicans made in 2012.

No one learns.

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#8 Serraph105
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Personally I'm for Warren and I don't get the Biden appeal either.

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#9  Edited By burntbyhellfire
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again, its all a race for second place anyway.. dim establishment will pick and choose your choice, then blame racism, sexism, xenophobia, and all that other dumb shit for them losing

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@Serraph105: High five!

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@joebones5000 said:
@warmblur said:

He's a out of touch corporate shill along with being against legalization of Marijuana and saying video games are not healthy remember this is the moron that wanted to tax violent video games lol. I was going to vote for him a couple of months ago but I just can't bring myself to it anymore what do you think about Biden why do the Dems love him so much? looks like it will be 2016 all over again.

Because he's a centrist Democrat who served in a very successful and prosperous administration with Obama for 8 years.

Most of the country is the same, centrist.

True

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#13 HoolaHoopMan
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He's got name recognition and is a safe choice. Pretty simple really.

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Warren seems to be doing great I hope its either her or Yang/Sander's

Biden wanted women to be in the house raising kids instead of working jobs. I don't like that guy.

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@Serraph105 said:

Personally I'm for Warren and I don't get the Biden appeal either.

Same. Also the president in Detroit: Become Human was a female named Warren. Woot! So long as we don't have any robots demanding freedom, she should be a good prez.

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@burntbyhellfire said:

yup, a child groping racist speaking fondly of segregationalists are always a safe choice in the party responsible for the klan, and pedophiles like bill clinton and anthony weiner

You try too hard.

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Most people in the US are fairly to the center. So maybe he's winning that area. People also want someone who can beat Trump, and Biden's platform doesn't center on providing free healthcare to convicted terrorists or illegal aliens or taking away someone's private health insurance they have from their job. It's optics.

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#20 Master_Live
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There, now you know.

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#21  Edited By super600  Moderator
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@vl4d_l3nin:

If I recall romney planted himself a bit to far to the right in 2012 during the presidental race and thus lost against Obama. This was because he ran to the right if I recall to fend off his challengers in the republican primary and had problems shifting back towards the center/center-right during the actual presidential race.

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@super600 said:

@vl4d_l3nin:

If I recall romney planted himself a bit to far to the right in 2012 during the presidental race and thus lost against Obama. This was because he ran to the right if I recall to fend off his challengers in the republican primary and had problems shifting back towards the center/center-right during the actual presidential race.

no, romney lost because most people on the right couldnt trust his shifty RINO ass... with his talks of crap like romney care people just seen him as obama lite.. every single person who voted for him was only doing so to vote against obama

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#23 Fuhrer_D
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If its not Tulsi, I'll write in Kasich (who I was for in 2016) in 2020.

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@joebones5000: he needs to open another new account and try again.

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#25 deactivated-5de67c4d9cb12
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I don't understand why you'd let dump win again just because you're not getting an ideal opponent.

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#26  Edited By nintendoboy16
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I'm Warren/Harris right now.

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#27 Sevenizz
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‘He's a out’

Stopped reading right here.

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#28  Edited By blaznwiipspman1
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to be honest, the way they pick presidents doesn't make sense. Just going on tv and stumping stupid speeches which literally nobody except the morons in the audience actually believe in the first place. Meanwhile, 80% of people not giving a shit don't believe the crap that comes out of politicians mouths anyways. Politicians are real life snake oil salesmen.

I'd rather have a tournament, 1st round a fitness test (ie American ninja), 2nd round chess, 3rd round general knowledge, etc etc. The final round would be debates, but the first couple of rounds would weed out the morons and the snakes so the debates would be a lot more honest and interesting.

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#29  Edited By Vaasman
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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

to be honest, the way they pick presidents doesn't make sense. Just going on tv and stumping stupid speeches which literally nobody except the morons in the audience actually believe in the first place. Meanwhile, 80% of people not giving a shit don't believe the crap that comes out of politicians mouths anyways. Politicians are real life snake oil salesmen.

I'd rather have a tournament, 1st round a fitness test (ie American ninja), 2nd round chess, 3rd round general knowledge, etc etc. The final round would be debates, but the first couple of rounds would weed out the morons and the snakes so the debates would be a lot more honest and interesting.

If you prioritize raw physical and mental aptitude over altruistic interest I can only imagine we will inevitably get Thanos for president.

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#30  Edited By blaznwiipspman1
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@Vaasman: yeah because trump is the Pinnacle of altruism. Or bill Clinton who would consistently get his **** wet from his 22 year old intern. On a darker note, bush and Regan, who laid waste to the middle East and central American countries. I'd say none of these people are altruistic and on top of that are just a few steps away from being legit mentally handicapped. Maybe a skills test would bring more decent and qualified people to the table.

Besides that, I didn't say that raw physical and mental apptitude would be the sole deciding factor, just that it would be a points based system where things would be weighted out.

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#31  Edited By BaelNergal
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@Vaasman said:
@blaznwiipspman1 said:

to be honest, the way they pick presidents doesn't make sense. Just going on tv and stumping stupid speeches which literally nobody except the morons in the audience actually believe in the first place. Meanwhile, 80% of people not giving a shit don't believe the crap that comes out of politicians mouths anyways. Politicians are real life snake oil salesmen.

I'd rather have a tournament, 1st round a fitness test (ie American ninja), 2nd round chess, 3rd round general knowledge, etc etc. The final round would be debates, but the first couple of rounds would weed out the morons and the snakes so the debates would be a lot more honest and interesting.

If you prioritize raw physical and mental aptitude over altruistic interest I can only imagine we will inevitably get Thanos for president.

The sad thing is, given the qualities Thanos presented as a leader in the movies, he might be a better choice than Trump or most of the Dem options.

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@judaspete said:

There are a number of reasons and most of the answers people gave so far make sense. Here's my take: I think a lot of people see him as a safe choice. He may not inspire them as much as other candidates, but they think he can win by being inoffensive to moderates and independents. Basically making the same mistake they made in 2016.

Hilary Clinton was supposed to be a safe pick?

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It's because polls represent boomers.

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#34 Xabiss
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I would honestly love to see someone that is not with any damn party at this time. I wish we could get someone that had some sense that didn't have ties. WTH does it have to be either republican or democrat. They have shown they don't accomplish much and it would be nice to see what someone that was not tied to a party could accomplish.

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#37  Edited By texasgoldrush
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@KungfuKitten said:
@judaspete said:

There are a number of reasons and most of the answers people gave so far make sense. Here's my take: I think a lot of people see him as a safe choice. He may not inspire them as much as other candidates, but they think he can win by being inoffensive to moderates and independents. Basically making the same mistake they made in 2016.

Hilary Clinton was supposed to be a safe pick?

yes

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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/joe-biden-gaffe-vice-president-parkland-shooting.html

This guy cannot stop with gaffes.

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@Xabiss said:

I would honestly love to see someone that is not with any damn party at this time. I wish we could get someone that had some sense that didn't have ties. WTH does it have to be either republican or democrat. They have shown they don't accomplish much and it would be nice to see what someone that was not tied to a party could accomplish.

Because a first past the post system inevitable leads to a two party system. Just look at how angry the MSM was at Jill Stein for siphoning votes from Hillary.

In the end, a first past the post system leads to a system where people will vote for the least awful candidate. I know so many Trump and Hillary supporters who supported their candidate not because they liked their leadership or their policies, but because how much they disliked their opposition.

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#40  Edited By BaelNergal
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@KungfuKitten said:
@judaspete said:

There are a number of reasons and most of the answers people gave so far make sense. Here's my take: I think a lot of people see him as a safe choice. He may not inspire them as much as other candidates, but they think he can win by being inoffensive to moderates and independents. Basically making the same mistake they made in 2016.

Hilary Clinton was supposed to be a safe pick?

Wife of a popular President, close associate of another popular President, ties to MLK, and leftist enough to satisfy party hardliners while centrist enough to have a chance at actually winning an election. And she was a seasoned politician and debater up against a racist misogynist suffering multiple accusations of sexual predation with a record of bankruptcies and shooting his mouth off without thinking.

Basically, from the outside, her opponent might as well have been a houseplant for all the chance he should have stood against her.

What nobody expected in selecting her is that her personal connection to a number of sex scandals and people of questionable morals would become part of the political debate, that her history of victimizing rape victims as a lawyer would come back up, that her husband's history of being a sexual predator would resurface in a bad light (a history that now gives her direct ties to a pedophilia ring), that Trump would simply shrug off all of the accusations against him, that the Benghazi scandal wouldn't go away, that she wouldn't even fucking campaign, or that she how she acted during debates was scientifically proven to be simply unlikable.

On paper, she was the safest candidate. In action? She was the worst choice possible.

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#41  Edited By deactivated-6068afec1b77d
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Biden is so clumsy, I hope he doesn't become the primary Democrat candidate. He doesn't know what to say and he is a deer caught in a headlight.

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@headninjadog said:

Corporate Democrats are the best choice for white supremacy.

Pretty sure it's that fake "anti-war progressive" Tulsi Gabbard that's done that more.

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#43  Edited By Zaryia
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@headninjadog said:

Corporate Democrats are the best choice for white supremacy.

This makes no sense. White Supermacists are usually conservatives in conservative voting districts.

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#44  Edited By judaspete
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@KungfuKitten: Compared to Sanders, yes. Democratic establishment types don't like cadidates going too far left economically. It pisses off the corporate donors for one, but they also fear losing swing voters. It's why they focus so heavily on identity politics, so they can offer something to base without losing out on big money donors.

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#45  Edited By Jacanuk
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@warmblur said:

He's a out of touch corporate shill along with being against legalization of Marijuana and saying video games are not healthy remember this is the moron that wanted to tax violent video games lol. I was going to vote for him a couple of months ago but I just can't bring myself to it anymore what do you think about Biden why do the Dems love him so much? looks like it will be 2016 all over again.

So translating the above is "I do not get why everyone else does not agree with me" .....

Biden is in the lead because he speaks to the average normal hardworking American, not just the PETA loving youth who still lacks a fundamental grasp on how the real world is.

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The same liberals trashing him will be loving him, when he is running.

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#47  Edited By deactivated-63d1ad7651984
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@Jacanuk said:
@warmblur said:

He's a out of touch corporate shill along with being against legalization of Marijuana and saying video games are not healthy remember this is the moron that wanted to tax violent video games lol. I was going to vote for him a couple of months ago but I just can't bring myself to it anymore what do you think about Biden why do the Dems love him so much? looks like it will be 2016 all over again.

So translating the above is "I do not get why everyone else does not agree with me" .....

Biden is in the lead because he speaks to the average normal hardworking American, not just the PETA loving youth who still lacks a fundamental grasp on how the real work is.

More like why are the dems acting like right wingers? and why are you so triggered by my statement?

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#48 Jacanuk
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@warmblur said:

More like why are the dems acting like right wingers and why are you so triggered by my statement?

Triggered not at all.

Question though why are you triggered by the democrats picking Biden?

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#49  Edited By deactivated-63d1ad7651984
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@Jacanuk said:
@warmblur said:

More like why are the dems acting like right wingers and why are you so triggered by my statement?

Triggered not at all.

Question though why are you triggered by the democrats picking Biden?

Nah you're triggered dude just straight up attack me out of nowhere I must of hit a nerve or something lol. Anyways my statement was more about how can the dems be so stupid to choose someone almost as bad as Hillary Clinton I thought they would of learned their lesson by now.

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@Jacanuk said:
@warmblur said:

He's a out of touch corporate shill along with being against legalization of Marijuana and saying video games are not healthy remember this is the moron that wanted to tax violent video games lol. I was going to vote for him a couple of months ago but I just can't bring myself to it anymore what do you think about Biden why do the Dems love him so much? looks like it will be 2016 all over again.

So translating the above is "I do not get why everyone else does not agree with me" .....

Biden is in the lead because he speaks to the average normal hardworking American, not just the PETA loving youth who still lacks a fundamental grasp on how the real world is.

Biden has the benefit of being a former vice president.