FBI categorizes Proud Boys as 'extremist', linked to white nationalism

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The FBI considers the far-right hate group the Proud Boys “an extremist group with ties to White Nationalism,” according to a report from a Washington State sheriff’s office.

The designation appeared in an August internal affairs report from the Clark County Sheriff’s Office in Vancouver, posted online Monday by the government transparency non-profit Property of the People.

The Proud Boys, a group of self-described “western chauvinists,” were established by VICE Media co-founder Gavin McInnes in 2016, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Although the SPLC lists them as a hate group, they have repeatedly denied any connection to the “alt-right.”

The document, written by Commander Michael McCabe, states that the Proud Boys were “publically (sic) categorized as an extremist group by the FBI in 2018.”

According to The Guardian, the report marks the first time the group has been publicly labelled as “extremist” by the FBI.

McCabe told the British newspaper that the FBI revealed the classification of the Proud Boys as an extremist group during an Aug. 2 briefing at Clark County’s west precinct.

According to the report, the FBI warned local law enforcement that the group is recruiting in the Pacific Northwest and that they have “contributed to the recent escalation of violence at political rallies held on college campuses, and in cities like Charlottesville, Virginia, Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington.”

The report was not intended to investigate the Proud Boys but rather the membership of a Clark County sheriff’s deputy in the group.

The investigation found that Deputy Sheriff Erin Willey, who worked as a probationary deputy from June 2017 to June 2018, was active with the Proud Boy Girls, “an affiliate group of women who openly support the ideology of the Proud Boys.” She was involved with the group from November 2016 to October 2017, but failed to disclose this information. Her association with the group came to light when The Columbian, a Washington daily newspaper, obtained photos of Willey wearing Proud Boy Girls apparel.

Her affiliation with the group violated two of the sheriff’s office's policies, including the non-discrimination and anti-harassment policy, and may have prevented her from passing the background check necessary to hold any law enforcement position, the report states.

After Willey’s firing, Clark County Sheriff Chuck Atkins released a statement: “Law enforcement officers are peacekeepers whose core mission is to protect and safeguard the community. My expectation is that my employees do not engage in activities or associations that undermine or diminish our role as peacekeepers.”

The timeline constructed during the investigation found that the Proud Boys were not an “official hate group” at their inception, but rather gained attention as their membership grew.

The group found itself in the national spotlight when several members were arrested in connection with a street brawl after McInnes spoke at a New York Republican club in mid-October. Deputy Commissioner John Miller told the New York Times that the NYPD has opened a criminal investigation into the organization itself.

Shortly after the fight, McInnes and the group were banned from Facebook and Instagram because of policies against hate groups.

The FBI could not immediately be reached for comment but released a statement to the Guardian and other outlets saying while “the FBI does not and will not police ideology”, the agency “regularly assesses intelligence regarding possible threats and works closely to share that information with our federal, state and local law enforcement partners.”

GOOD! They and Antifa are two sides of the same coin.

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You were doing so well by posting this and then you had to do that false moral equivalency crap. No the people trying to stop the fascists are not as bad as the fascists. Let me guess, you also think BLM is a hate group?

Antifa gets carried away sometimes, but they are on the right side of things.

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@bigfootpart2 said:

You were doing so well by posting this and then you had to do that false moral equivalency crap. No the people trying to stop the fascists are not as bad as the fascists. Let me guess, you also think BLM is a hate group?

BLM is a hate group.

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@n64dd said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

You were doing so well by posting this and then you had to do that false moral equivalency crap. No the people trying to stop the fascists are not as bad as the fascists. Let me guess, you also think BLM is a hate group?

BLM is a hate group.

How does thinking that black people shouldn't be murdered by cops for no reason make them a hate group? The people who are against them are the ones who are full of hate.

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@bigfootpart2 said:
@n64dd said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

You were doing so well by posting this and then you had to do that false moral equivalency crap. No the people trying to stop the fascists are not as bad as the fascists. Let me guess, you also think BLM is a hate group?

BLM is a hate group.

How does thinking that black people shouldn't be murdered by cops for no reason make them a hate group?

Because it's not the only thing they promote?

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@n64dd said:
@bigfootpart2 said:
@n64dd said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

You were doing so well by posting this and then you had to do that false moral equivalency crap. No the people trying to stop the fascists are not as bad as the fascists. Let me guess, you also think BLM is a hate group?

BLM is a hate group.

How does thinking that black people shouldn't be murdered by cops for no reason make them a hate group?

Because it's not the only thing they promote?

How does being against racism make them a hate group? They are the opposite of a hate group.

Do you think for yourself or just spout bullshit from Breitbart and other alt-right and fascist sources?

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#7  Edited By N64DD
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@bigfootpart2 said:
@n64dd said:
@bigfootpart2 said:
@n64dd said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

You were doing so well by posting this and then you had to do that false moral equivalency crap. No the people trying to stop the fascists are not as bad as the fascists. Let me guess, you also think BLM is a hate group?

BLM is a hate group.

How does thinking that black people shouldn't be murdered by cops for no reason make them a hate group?

Because it's not the only thing they promote?

How does being against racism make them a hate group? They are the opposite of a hate group.

Do you think for yourself or just spout bullshit from Breitbart and other alt-right and fascist sources?

It's not the only thing they promote...

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#8  Edited By Sevenizz
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@bigfootpart2: Because they called for murders of cops and self proclaimed members obliged.

They aren’t even activists anymore - they’re a supremacist group.

Also, if they really cared about black lives, where are they with black on black crime which is a much larger issue that claims many, many more lives? Silent.

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Yeah that never happened. And you just outed yourself as an alt-right idiot who reposts fake news from Breitbart.

KKK, alt-right, and Neo-Nazis =/= BLM and ANTIFA. And anyone who thinks they are the same is a complete fuckin retard.

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@bigfootpart2: So violence, vandalism, and protesting the first amendment are the ‘right side of things’?

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@bigfootpart2: No need for the name calling.

Fry them up, cook them like bacon? Never saw the video?

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@bigfootpart2 said:

You were doing so well by posting this and then you had to do that false moral equivalency crap. No the people trying to stop the fascists are not as bad as the fascists. Let me guess, you also think BLM is a hate group?

Antifa gets carried away sometimes, but they are on the right side of things.

Yeah, getting carried away with extreme things that didn't need to be done. And the Proud Boys do the same thing. Only one is left-wing, the other is right-wing. Just because I'm a liberal, doesn't mean I should like every left-wing organization. And I have a few I do not like.

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SPLC is the authority on hate groups. They say BLM is not a hate group. You are objectively wrong and just regurgitating propaganda spread by actual hate groups on the alt-right.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group

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@bigfootpart2 said:

SPLC is the authority on hate groups. They say BLM is not a hate group. You are objectively wrong and just regurgitating propaganda spread by actual hate groups on the alt-right.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group

Lol. The SPLC is a fucking joke.

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@bigfootpart2 said:

SPLC is the authority on hate groups. They say BLM is not a hate group. You are objectively wrong and just regurgitating propaganda spread by actual hate groups on the alt-right.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group

I watched them on live tv talk about shooting cops.

Sorry man.

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#18  Edited By bigfootpart2
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@Damedius said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

SPLC is the authority on hate groups. They say BLM is not a hate group. You are objectively wrong and just regurgitating propaganda spread by actual hate groups on the alt-right.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group

Lol. The SPLC is a fucking joke.

It's the authority on hate groups. If you disagree, you are wrong. They also don't list Antifa as a hate group. Because guess what, it's not a hate group.

Conservatives have a serious problem with facts so they invent alternative facts.

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@bigfootpart2 said:
@Damedius said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

SPLC is the authority on hate groups. They say BLM is not a hate group. You are objectively wrong and just regurgitating propaganda spread by actual hate groups on the alt-right.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group

Lol. The SPLC is a fucking joke.

It's the authority on hate groups. If you disagree, you are wrong. They also don't list Antifa as a hate group. Because guess what, it's not a hate group.

Conservatives have a serious problem with facts so they invent alternative facts.

Are you 19 and in your first year of college or something?

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#20  Edited By TryIt
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@n64dd said:
@bigfootpart2 said:
@n64dd said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

You were doing so well by posting this and then you had to do that false moral equivalency crap. No the people trying to stop the fascists are not as bad as the fascists. Let me guess, you also think BLM is a hate group?

BLM is a hate group.

How does thinking that black people shouldn't be murdered by cops for no reason make them a hate group?

Because it's not the only thing they promote?

guys!

this goes for everyone.

post the legal definition of a hate group, then post (with links for sources) on exactly how said group falls into that legal definition.

stop jerking off...man up

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@bigfootpart2 said:
@Damedius said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

SPLC is the authority on hate groups. They say BLM is not a hate group. You are objectively wrong and just regurgitating propaganda spread by actual hate groups on the alt-right.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group

Lol. The SPLC is a fucking joke.

It's the authority on hate groups. If you disagree, you are wrong. They also don't list Antifa as a hate group. Because guess what, it's not a hate group.

Conservatives have a serious problem with facts so they invent alternative facts.

Who established it as the authority? By what law/right do they hold this authority?

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#22 bigfootpart2
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@n64dd said:
@bigfootpart2 said:
@Damedius said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

SPLC is the authority on hate groups. They say BLM is not a hate group. You are objectively wrong and just regurgitating propaganda spread by actual hate groups on the alt-right.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group

Lol. The SPLC is a fucking joke.

It's the authority on hate groups. If you disagree, you are wrong. They also don't list Antifa as a hate group. Because guess what, it's not a hate group.

Conservatives have a serious problem with facts so they invent alternative facts.

Are you 19 and in your first year of college or something?

No. I'm someone how doesn't regurgitate fake news from Breitbart and make false moral equivalencies between actual hate groups and people trying to stop hate groups.

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#23  Edited By TryIt
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@Damedius said:
@bigfootpart2 said:
@Damedius said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

SPLC is the authority on hate groups. They say BLM is not a hate group. You are objectively wrong and just regurgitating propaganda spread by actual hate groups on the alt-right.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group

Lol. The SPLC is a fucking joke.

It's the authority on hate groups. If you disagree, you are wrong. They also don't list Antifa as a hate group. Because guess what, it's not a hate group.

Conservatives have a serious problem with facts so they invent alternative facts.

Who established it as the authority? By what law/right to they hold this authority?

the Law does. 'Hate Group' is a legal term, with specific legal meaning and specific legal parameters.

it exist because of a legal bill passed by congress and senate and signed by a president

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#24 TryIt
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this might help you guys get your heads out of your cracks

https://www.justice.gov/crt/hate-crime-laws

its a legal definition, you learn this in the first semester of college for christ sake

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#25 N64DD
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@bigfootpart2 said:
@n64dd said:
@bigfootpart2 said:
@Damedius said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

SPLC is the authority on hate groups. They say BLM is not a hate group. You are objectively wrong and just regurgitating propaganda spread by actual hate groups on the alt-right.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group

Lol. The SPLC is a fucking joke.

It's the authority on hate groups. If you disagree, you are wrong. They also don't list Antifa as a hate group. Because guess what, it's not a hate group.

Conservatives have a serious problem with facts so they invent alternative facts.

Are you 19 and in your first year of college or something?

No. I'm someone how doesn't regurgitate fake news from Breitbart and make false moral equivalencies between actual hate groups and people trying to stop hate groups.

I actually watched the video live on CNN. Spin that how you will.

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#26 Damedius
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@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@bigfootpart2 said:
@Damedius said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

SPLC is the authority on hate groups. They say BLM is not a hate group. You are objectively wrong and just regurgitating propaganda spread by actual hate groups on the alt-right.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group

Lol. The SPLC is a fucking joke.

It's the authority on hate groups. If you disagree, you are wrong. They also don't list Antifa as a hate group. Because guess what, it's not a hate group.

Conservatives have a serious problem with facts so they invent alternative facts.

Who established it as the authority? By what law/right to they hold this authority?

the Law does. 'Hate Group' is a legal term, with specific legal meaning and specific legal parameters.

it exist because of a legal bill passed by congress and senate and signed by a president

What law established the SPLC as the authority on hate groups?

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@tryit: that link looks like its fits antifa and blm.

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#28 TryIt
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@npiet1 said:

@tryit: that link looks like its fits antifa and blm.

its LITERALLY directly from the U.S. Department of Justice

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I didn't know white Nationalist allowed Black and Hispanics in their group..... LMAO!

It's sad are FBI is a bunch of bumbling idiots. But it is government ran so what can you expect.

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#30  Edited By bigfootpart2
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@Damedius said:
@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

It's the authority on hate groups. If you disagree, you are wrong. They also don't list Antifa as a hate group. Because guess what, it's not a hate group.

Conservatives have a serious problem with facts so they invent alternative facts.

Who established it as the authority? By what law/right to they hold this authority?

the Law does. 'Hate Group' is a legal term, with specific legal meaning and specific legal parameters.

it exist because of a legal bill passed by congress and senate and signed by a president

What law established the SPLC as the authority on hate groups?

Do you not know how to use google? Jesus Christ dude. They are considered the authority by most lawmakers. Get your head out of your butt.

From wikipedia

Since the 2000s, the SPLC's classification and listings of hate groups (organizations that, in its assessment, "attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics")[9] and extremists[10] have often been described as authoritative.

Seriously how fuckin hard was that? There are other websites besides Breitbart and Stormfront.

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@blackhairedhero said:

I didn't know white Nationalist allowed Black and Hispanics in their group..... LMAO!

It's sad are FBI is a bunch of bumbling idiots. But it is government ran so what can you expect.

basically if you are going to have a conversation about this subject you should at least understand that its a legal definition that is specifc and from the god damn U.S. Department of Justice.

first talk about it like you have a clue, then worry about other peoples view on the subject.

jesus H

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@bigfootpart2 said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@bigfootpart2 said:

It's the authority on hate groups. If you disagree, you are wrong. They also don't list Antifa as a hate group. Because guess what, it's not a hate group.

Conservatives have a serious problem with facts so they invent alternative facts.

Who established it as the authority? By what law/right to they hold this authority?

the Law does. 'Hate Group' is a legal term, with specific legal meaning and specific legal parameters.

it exist because of a legal bill passed by congress and senate and signed by a president

What law established the SPLC as the authority on hate groups?

Do you not know how to use google? Jesus Christ dude. They are considered the authority by most lawmakers. Get your head out of your butt.

From wikipedia

Since the 2000s, the SPLC's classification and listings of hate groups (organizations that, in its assessment, "attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics")[9] and extremists[10] have often been described as authoritative.

Seriously how fuckin hard was that? There are other websites besides Breitbart and Stormfront.

You still haven't mentioned the law that specifically establishes the SPLC as the authority.

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@bigfootpart2: Lol BLM is a hate group and Antifa is the definition of Facist. Beating people with clubs they disagree with? Silencing anyone they disagree with?

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@blackhairedhero said:

I didn't know white Nationalist allowed Black and Hispanics in their group..... LMAO!

It's sad are FBI is a bunch of bumbling idiots. But it is government ran so what can you expect.

Look we've got ourselves another alt-right dumbass who in this case doesn't trust the FBI.

But the whole world is wrong. Can't be that the alt-right is wrong about everything.

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@tryit: yeah and it fits some of blm and antifas actions.

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@bigfootpart2: Oh look we have a far left NPC who labels everyone they disagree with as a white nationalist neo Nazi.

Heres a hint for your dumbass. White nationalist dont let blacks and Hispanics join their group. This isn't rocket science.

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#37  Edited By bigfootpart2
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@blackhairedhero said:

@bigfootpart2: Oh look we have a far left NPC who labels everyone they disagree with as a white nationalist neo Nazi.

Heres a hint for your dumbass. White nationalist dont let blacks and Hispanics join their group. This isn't rocket science.

The NPC thing is an alt-right meme, so you just outed yourself with that. And yep, the alt-right are a bunch of white nationalist neo-nazis. Not even going to sugar coat it. People who follow that stuff are human trash.

Also that's not even true about hispanics. Some of the whiter ones have ended up in white nationalist groups.

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#38 TryIt
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@Damedius said:
@bigfootpart2 said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:
@Damedius said:

Who established it as the authority? By what law/right to they hold this authority?

the Law does. 'Hate Group' is a legal term, with specific legal meaning and specific legal parameters.

it exist because of a legal bill passed by congress and senate and signed by a president

What law established the SPLC as the authority on hate groups?

Do you not know how to use google? Jesus Christ dude. They are considered the authority by most lawmakers. Get your head out of your butt.

From wikipedia

Since the 2000s, the SPLC's classification and listings of hate groups (organizations that, in its assessment, "attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics")[9] and extremists[10] have often been described as authoritative.

Seriously how fuckin hard was that? There are other websites besides Breitbart and Stormfront.

You still haven't mentioned the law that specifically establishes the SPLC as the authority.

they are not the authority.

the law the refer to is the authority

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#39 TryIt
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@npiet1 said:

@tryit: yeah and it fits some of blm and antifas actions.

what 'fits'?

'how does it 'fit'

come on guys stop being lazy. this is some seriously lame ass shit.

what is 'it' and how does 'it' fit what EXACTLY...be specific, try like you actually want to win a debate or something. at least try for christ sake

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#40 MisterVulpes
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I seem to have logged into the Resetera forums?

How do I get far away?

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#41 Sevenizz
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@n64dd: Another CNN link? Do you only watch fake news?

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#42 Damedius
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@tryit said:

they are not the authority.

the law the refer to is the authority

Laws are not the authority.

Laws are a system of rules that are enforced(or not), by those with authority.

Laws can give people authority but they are not in themselves authority

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#43 MisterVulpes
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@bigfootpart2:

“You questioned me! You’re alt-right!”

Could you be more of a parody/meme/joke?

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#44  Edited By Blackhairedhero
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@bigfootpart2: Its so true though. You have no argument so you just call everyone a Nazi. So please instead of just speaking in slogans try to have a logical debate.

They have black men in their group. After watching the documentary about them on Vice one of the members was an openly gay black man who was sick of PC culture.

So please tell me what white nationalist group have multiple people of color specifically a gay black man in their group?

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@tryit: blm calls for killing cops, atifa stabbing/bashing anyone who disagrees.

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#46  Edited By TryIt
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@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

they are not the authority.

the law the refer to is the authority

Laws are not the authority.

...

lol...

yes they are

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#47 Sevenizz
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The Proud Boys allow anyone to join their ranks regardless of skin colour. I fail to see how this categorizes them as a ‘white nationalist group’.

They’re nationalists yes, but is that such a bad thing? Back in the day that was patriotism which somehow the Left have repurposed the term to mean racists. They’re pub buddies at best.

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#48  Edited By TryIt
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@npiet1 said:

@tryit: blm calls for killing cops, atifa stabbing/bashing anyone who disagrees.

1. you need sources to provide evidence of your claim that they are specifically and explicitly calling for killing cops

2. you need to show specifically which law in question would be in violation that is specifically related to the legal term 'hate crime' and not as some fucking abstraction.

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#49 Damedius
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@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

they are not the authority.

the law the refer to is the authority

Laws are not the authority.

...

lol...

yes they are

Really what authority does the law have without people(authorities) to enforce it?

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#50 TryIt
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@Damedius said:
@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

they are not the authority.

the law the refer to is the authority

Laws are not the authority.

...

lol...

yes they are

Really what authority does the law have without people(authorities) to enforce it?

the law is the authority.

who have the authority to enforce the law is a DIFFERENT question from what you are asking.

but at least we know you feel law has no authority, good to know in the future when talking about things like immigration.