Another school shooting in Texas

@LordQuorthon: no..it's trump paid to have sec with a pond tar with campaign money.

@JimB: bs. The Democrats did put in gun regulations in 2007 to 2012. Trump rolled all those back.

And in 2010 and 2012, the focus was on health care...which the Republicans fought tooth and nail to try and block.

And don't think they would do that with gun control?

Since we all know how this event and the upcoming debate is going to go into the same circle as all the previous times, How about one just make Body armor and ballistic helmets nationwide mandatory school uniform.

At least then, if you follow risk assessment matrix, you lower the consequences of the risk.

Spot on JimB

But you can´t convince some people since they are part of the "only truth there is"

It sure does, so does deflecting the problem onto the "mentally ill".

Man, I feel safer already.

@Jacanuk: Yep, spot on for both you and JimB. Cause you are both for more gun control, correct? LMAO

Your political system is a cesspool, your politicians are gutless, your special interest groups especially the NRA are way too powerful, your entire cultural attachment to the 2nd amendment is the kind of dogmatic response found in many sick cults throughout history, and your gun culture in general is a great big mess and fascinating insight into a society in decay.

But it is alright because politicians on both sides haven't and won't take material action? LOL

Nope, nothing to see here except loons like you turning a blind eye to the problem and focusing instead on who is to blame for the problem. Guess what...you are to blame.

@mrbojangles25: Jaysus and the asylums have our back!

Nothing will happen with gutless politicians too afraid to challenge the NRA on anything. The gun culture in this country is absolutely sick.

They can't challenge them when the NRA is paying for their political campaigns. And with money coming from gun/ammo manufacturing corporations, there is an endless supply of cash. Especially now that American's for the most part believe with their entire beings that owning a gun of any kind is an inalienable human right that One that people have been for years trying to use the Bible even to justify.

It still astounds me to no end that people blame inanimate object for the actions from a generation that eats Tide Pods for fun.

@n64dd: no one blames the guns. We are just saying not so many people should have such easy availability to them.

If gun don't kill people and people do...then just don't give guns to people.

It is possible to blame more than one thing for these shootings. Most of the blame absolutely goes to the easy availability of guns.

Behavior is the issue. The crusade is against guns here. You know exactly what i'm talking about. Lets ignore the fact that kids are told they're special, to get offended about everything, need safe spaces, get drugged up on meds for every disorder everybody is heard of, then they hit the real world...and people wonder why they snap? This generation is pure shit.

@n64dd: I follow you. It's like this nuclear thing with Iran and NK. Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people with nuclear weapons do. It's a behavioural problem.

TBH i've been up working for 34 hours straight so I don't think my response is too coherent above me. I'll make more sense tommorow gents. Nighters.

I am not for gun control. I also don't say one thing and do another.

Calling guns inanimate objects ignores that they're instruments designed explicitly for killing. A 2x4 is an inanimate object as well, but you don't see us sending our soldiers to war armed with planks of wood, why is that? This is why phrases 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people', are so hollow and shallow.

On the contrary, I think this is a perfect example of how even responsible gun owners can be irresponsible. The dad may not have been a crazed psychopath, but he let his guns fall into the hands of one. How? Were they stored securely? Were they locked? Was the ammo stored separately? Did the son know where the guns were kept? Did he have access to the key, if there was one? Were there any signs that the son should not have had access to guns that he might have missed? I'm not saying that we know the answer to all of these or that gun control definitely could have stopped this, but it is certainly possible and worth asking.

This is factually incorrect. The Democrats only had a supermajority from July 2009 until February 2010. Before that, Al Franken's seat was open for seven months (seven MONTHS), one Republican switched parties mid-term, and one Democrat was functionally not voting due to health issues. That's not to even mention Ted Kennedy, who basically cast his vote for Obamacare from his deathbed.

We live in a country where owning a gun is considered a basic right but healthcare is not. Ponder for a second how fucked up and backwards our priorities are as a society. Everyone needs healthcare. Nobody needs a gun.

I'm at the point where I'd like to see the parents of these school shooters be tried as accessories to murder.

School shootings don't happen 1-3 times a month in other first world countries. There are 101 guns for every 100 US citizens.

Norway, the next first world country with guns, has only 31.3 guns per 100 citizens.

America has a gun problem.

I don’t really care anymore. Someone else’s kids and I’m all “prayed” out. You put a candidate in front of me who will take away all these guns, I’ll vote for them. Until then, meh... you reap what you sow.

Give it five years or so, and repealing the second amendment will be a mainstream position for Democrats. Right now, they're too unpopular and too close to an election to take that kind of risk.

@theone86: What about the home made bombs they had? gun control wouldn't of fixed that either. Yeah maybe guns should be locked up but that's not the kind of gun control everyone is asking for.

And yet I see republicans talk about keeping their guns locked up because they're "responsible gun owners" who would never break the law. Why aren't they advocating for laws saying that people need to keep their guns locked up in a safe?

America has a violence problem.

Not really. We have nearly half of the worlds privately owned firearms and we're not even in the top 15 in firearm homicides. There are countries with less than a tenth of firearms per capita than the US, yet have a firearms homicide rate ten times higher.

Because both sides are completely against or for, instead of working together.

crazy thing is we actually DO do things to address those causes of death.

why should being murdered in school be the one thing we CAN'T work on?

That is what I said. Even so the Democrats offered no bill for gun control. They use gun control as a talking point. all talk and no action.

the kids who are growing up in schools w/ this crap will eventually become the voter and legislators so it isn't a stretch to think they'll do something about it.

@comp_atkins: Oh, I'm well aware of that, and so are Democrats, and that's kind of my point, these things take time. Debbie Wasserman was on the phone with Parkland survivors the day of the shooting, not to offer condolences or encourage grief counseling, but to put them into contact with legislators, community organizers, and media. After the March in..March, people realized that Democrats were using traumatized children to advance an agenda. The Democrats popularity took a hit, and they started to back off.

my point wasn't about potential manipulation by political parties. future generations inherit the country and have every right to change it as they see fit.

"We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors"

If we think of it as a behavior problem. Could perhaps required gun courses help? This will drive the cost of weapons up I expect.

Note I don't expect a quick fix on this problem, rather something that will take a decade or more.

@comp_atkins: Cool, but it's not gonna happen anytime soon. People like to think advocacy of gun control is going up which is only true if you compare it to recent years. Compared to previous generations, it's a lot more split.

i imagine it would help. i don't see how additional education on anything is a bad thing.

i also found it funny that when the talk about arming teachers in classrooms was going around a part of it was "oh, they'll be required to take courses, be certified, etc..."
so you admit untrained people having access to firearms is a bad idea ( for teachers ) but for the general population it's A-OK?

I bolded the question that stood out to me.

My answer is a resounding no.

Last night I was watching The Red Dragon, well Hannibal in that movie is restricted from access to various things for a reason.

Various things like various tools, tools that have specific purposes like killing....like guns....are tools

That is not what you said. You said they had a supermajority for two years, when in fact they only had one for seven months. You even quoted yourself saying it.

Why are you twisting the facts?

"Starting January 2009, at the beginning of the 111th Congress, in the month that Barack Obama was inaugurated, the president, the House of Representatives was made up of 257 Democrats and 178 Republicans. There is no question that Democrats had total control in the House from 2009-2011. and had 59 Senate seats from 2008 to 2011 And they even had the maximum majority 60 seats in the Senate from Sept 2009 to Feb. of 2010

Meaning that if Obama or any other democrat really wanted to change the gun laws they had ample time to do so.

And remember this was only a short time after VT the deadliest school shooting in us history and they had control during Fort Hood and Binghamton and Geneva County shootings.

Hopefully more gun control is passed, something far more democratic politicans are for compared to republicans.

Studies show it works. Polls show over 70% of Americans want it.

The vast majority of Americans are not gun owners and want gun control. Just looking at the number of guns in America is misleading. 3% of the population owns 50% of the guns. Most of the country is being held hostage by a relatively small number of gun nuts, the NRA, and some bought and paid for politicians. If the politicians actually represented the people and not the gun lobby, we would already have gun control.

@bigfootpart2: There's so much wrong in your post I honestly wouldn't know where to begin.

you're new here aren't you?

That 3% are mainly the distributors, which are a bunch of different small businesses that probably sell camping supplies and tennis rackets. You're sounding more paranoid than the straw man you've just built.

The NRA's influence on politicians is pretty small compared to other lobbies such as finance, pharma, and unions. NRA doesn't come close to being a top contributor, and believe me, they want to. They're constantly getting their robots to call me for more money.

And no, we wouldn't have gun control if politicians were all leftists. The government can't even keep guns out of the hands of convicts and the mentally ill. The laws we already have on the books aren't being enforced.

@vl4d_l3nin:

If guns are selling so well to so many people please explain why Remington just went bankrupt.

The market for guns is shrinking and dying off. Average gun owner is a 60+ year old white male who owns 20 or more guns and is tapped out on gun buying. The younger generations have little interest in gun ownership.

The NRA and gun lobby are acting ridiculous because they know they are part of a dying industry with no future beyond the baby boomer generation.

45 years with 8 guns.

How daft are you? Gun sales having a slow start to a year and one manufacturer going bankrupt is not a "dying industry". You realize how much we spend on military, right? Why don't you read up on this stuff before you make silly arguments that a dying industry is buying politicians.

The military gun industry isn’t going anywhere obviously. The civilian gun industry will probably be mostly gone within two decades if not sooner. Younger people just aren’t buying guns. And no I don’t consider 45 young. The civilian gun industry is selling to an elderly, shrinking consumer base. And even most of those people aren’t buying guns because they already have everything they want.

And Remington isn’t just “a” gun manufacturer. It’s America’s oldest gun manufacturer. It would be like if Ford went bankrupt, or McDonalds went out of business, or Sony stopped selling game consoles. It’s a huge deal and a sign of things to come. The gun industry is in decline. And they are desperate. These mass shootings and calls for gun control are coming at a time of slumping gun sales.

https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=131017&page=1

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/27/589061976/thanks-to-trump-slump-shops-have-more-guns-than-buyers

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/money/5182584/gun-maker-says-sales-are-plunging

The fact remains they did not pass any gun control laws or even introduce any gun control laws in the nineteen months when they had a super majority. They still had a majority until 2012. You have to realize they do not give a hoot about safety of the children in schools. They run to the microphone to denounce Republicans every chance they get on the Republican stand on gun control, but when they cn do something about they do nothing. It wouldn't matter if they had super majorities for eight years and the presidency the result would be the same.

@bigfootpart2: Well ford didnt go bankrupt, but chevy and dodge did, does that mean in 20 years people wont be buying cars. Your whole theory and line of thinking is kinda whack.