@JimB said:
@theone86 said:
Doesn't matter if Trump isn't removed, he's going to go down as the worst president in history thanks to this. One of only three to be formally impeached, even Nixon had the sense to realize when he had lost and get out first.
I don't know if it matters whether or not he can get foreign governments to interfere. Between gerrymandering, vote suppression, voter purges, and the electoral college and Senate representing an insurmountable hurdle we're not likely to take power back any time soon. Best we can hope for in any case is the massive disapproval of him being enough to unseat so that we can at least stave off Republican's activist takeover of the Supreme Court (thanks to all the liberals who said that sending a message was more important than getting a Democrat in the White House, BTW).
Will foreign governments be able to meddle with impunity? Probably not. One of two things will happen. By some small miracle we'll claw the country back from Trump, start making government work again, and a large segment of Republicans will wake up and start realizing how batshit insane these last four years have been and resolve not to cross the lines that he crossed. Two is that Trump holds on and in his second term begins to drastically remake our government so that it better resembles Putin's Russia or Erdogan's Turkey. In that case he won't need election meddling anymore, he'll assert much more direct control over the voting process. Frankly, I'd argue that process of asserting direct control is already in motion and has been for a long time. Basically, we'll either create an environment that is free of meddling or we'll get dragged into one that doesn't require meddling to corrupt our voting system. But yeah, right now it looks like we're probably screwed. When he got elected I said that we had a nice democracy there for a couple hundred years and people scoffed at me. I'd rather not say I told you so, but...
Where do live, you can't be living in the United States to make the statements you made. Donald Trump has done more for this country on his own despite all the powers being used against him because he won an election. The Democrats and the media have been trying to impeach him before he was the Republican nominee. Lets see he has negotiated better trade deals for The United States, told the Europeans to pay their fair share to support NATO, opened negotiations with North Korea, got imprisoned American back from all over the planet with out having to pay airplane loads of cash to do it, rebuilt the military, defeated ISIS, Reduced taxes and restrictions to jump start the economy, criminal reform, seven million people off of food stamps, created seven million new jobs, brought back manufacturing that Obama said were lost and there was no magic wand to bring them back, Trump did. Yea go back to the good old days when politicians made deals to take care of everyone except the American citizens.
Democrats have not been trying to impeach Trump since day one, in fact we've been avoiding it. Robert Mueller was all but telling Democrats that they should attempt to impeach him over his findings, and Democrats avoided it because they didn't want to be divisive. Instead of insulting us why don't you try to actually respond to the content of the letters of impeachment? Oh yeah, that's right, because trying to blackmail a foreign government into investigating your political opponents is completely indefensible.
Trump's trade deal is basically NAFTA. It's hilarious how he railed against NAFTA for so long, and then signed a deal that looked almost exactly the same. The only thing it really changes is protection for unions and workers' wages, and if enforcement of those clauses is as weak as it was for NAFTA (which is looking to be the case) then it won't make a difference anyway. By the way, those worker protection clauses weren't in the original draft that Trump negotiated and were included at the insistence of congressional Democrats. But yeah, sure, Trump's the one who cares about workers when he has to have worker protection clauses shoehorned into his trade deals by Democrats.
Trump's cutting NATO funding at a time when Russia is becoming increasingly aggressive towards NATO-aligned countries and you see that as a win? Just shows how delusional you are, and how blind you are to how detrimental the Putin-Trump relationship is to our foreign policy. And Trump opened a dialogue with North Korea, what did he do after that? Oh right, absolutely nothing. I guess we can give him a participation trophy for trying, right?
He didn't rebuild the military, he didn't defeat ISIS. You have to be pretty delusional to think he did anything to defeat ISIS when in fact he was reducing engagement. In fact, ISIS was pretty much driven back by Kurdish militias, who Trump abandoned to Turkey's authoritarian whims.
He didn't jump start the economy, the economy has been steadily increasing since President Obama's tenure. In fact, his tax cut (which primarily benefited the rich) took millions of dollars OUT of the economy and allowed wealthy individuals to stockpile it at a time when greater spending was needed. The economy might look great from the perspective of Wall Street, but people on main street are hurting like never before, and Trump has ignored them in favor of his corporate cronies. On the wasted recovery:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/we-squandered-major-economic-recovery-harvard-professor-142245851.html
He also hasn't brought back manufacturing, in fact manufacturing is struggling and experts think the sector might be headed for recession. And kicking seven million people off food stamps isn't an accomplishment, it's just plain cruel.
So yeah, everything you think you know about Trump is wrong. Stop getting your news from a Trump propaganda outlet.
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