Why the hell is black ops so bad???

Why is COD: black ops so bad compared to COD 4 and MW 2????

Your opinion.

I personally think its laughable to call MW2 superior to anything.

CoD4 was definitely better, even though I wasn't a fan of it either. But Black Ops is hundreds of times better than MW2, in my opinion.

Blops is made by an inferior company, and they weren't able to put the proper feel into the game that was in MW1 and MW2. MW2 had tons of problems, sure.. but I liked the weapons, weapon feel, maps, killstreak rewardsand overall style of gameplay much more than Black Ops. And we never had to wait months to get a decent framerate in MW2.

Not as good as COD4 I agree, but I personally think MW2 is much worse then Black Ops and one of the worst in the series (COD3 is the only one that might be as bad).

MW2 is one of the worst games ive played this gen.

I definitely don't agee. I think Black Ops is not only a great game, but also the best Call of Duty game since COD2. BO is an excellently-balanced multiplayer game that is very intense, complex and engaging, and yet doesn't take itself too seriously, which keeps the emphasis squarely on fun. Best of all, it has a ton of content, making it probably the only FPS so far to be, in my opinion, worth a $60 price tag.

I never played MW2 because of the lack of dedicated servers, but for what it's worth, I actually thought COD4 was pretty bad overall. No comparison to Black Ops at all in my opinion.

All that said, I have heard about some people having a great deal of technical problems with Black Ops, and in those instances, I definitely sympathize. I love Bad Company 2 as a game, but my experience with it has been absolutely broken from beginning to end, which drops its score in my personal review book down to about zero. I completely agree with someone disliking a game because of a technically difficult experience with it.

Anyway, hooray Blops! Hehe :D

I definitely don't agee. I think Black Ops is not only a great game, but also the best Call of Duty game since COD2. BO is an excellently-balanced multiplayer game that is very intense, complex and engaging, and yet doesn't take itself too seriously, which keeps the emphasis squarely on fun. Best of all, it has a ton of content, making it probably the only FPS so far to be, in my opinion, worth a $60 price tag.

I never played MW2 because of the lack of dedicated servers, but for what it's worth, I actually thought COD4 was pretty bad overall. No comparison to Black Ops at all in my opinion.

All that said, I have heard about some people having a great deal of technical problems with Black Ops, and in those instances, I definitely sympathize. I love Bad Company 2 as a game, but my experience with it has been absolutely broken from beginning to end, which drops its score in my personal review book down to about zero. I completely agree with someone disliking a game because of a technically difficult experience with it.

Anyway, hooray Blops! Hehe :D

JN_Fenrir

What??? maybe in clas..es but the map design is awful. It's basically no fun to play HQ since every map has like 5-6 doors to get into each HQ so holding a defensive position is useless.

Did you play COD4 when it came out? MP? or play it after when MW and Black Ops were out?

All that the new COD games are is COD4 with added elements to make it more noob friendly. Thats how i see it, no on will change my mind.Nick3306

The formula is a year older. The scenarios lack imagination and the story is highly convoluted with some really awful dialogue. lol most of the script is this yahoo screaming. The numbers you clod! :P Its also terribly optimised, it doesn't look any better than MW2, the multiplayer frequently crashes and you can't get a ping below 40. I paid like $80 for that. YES! I have a right to complain! Let our voices be heard!

Also, I was talking on System Wars about how savage this COD is. Its always been a violent series but there are some really nasty things you're asked to do, like putting glass in a blokes mouth and punching him in the face. I don't find that fun or "cool" "dudes". I thought that was really primitive. Their image of Castro is laughable. It really makes you question the direction (and agenda) of the series.

[QUOTE="Nick3306"]All that the new COD games are is COD4 with added elements to make it more noob friendly. Thats how i see it, no on will change my mind.FelipeInside

I just want a CoD: Future Warfare. Not necessarily lasers (tho PEW PEW PEWing friends would be fun), but something futuristic, you know, somethign that required alittle creativity.

Largest issue for me is that it lags like hell despite running all the past games with higher settings and a steady framerate. That aside, the weapons feel crumby and weak, the maps are garbage and the kill streaks just aren't interesting. Using the friends list is a pain and just plain stupid when it already uses steam, not being able to switch teams and the unchanged knifing is just silly. Most of the servers only run nuketown and the ones that are not usually have alot of people whining to change it to nuketown. Headshots are pointless, sniping sucks and the other weapons are either really good or really bad leading to very little variety.

Wager matches are almost interesting except the amount you can bet on is very limited. Still they have the most interesting game modes.

Barebones is the only saving grace for this game imho.

The formula is a year older. The scenarios lack imagination and the story is highly convoluted with some really awful dialogue. lol most of the script is this yahoo screaming. The numbers you clod! :P Its also terribly optimised, it doesn't look any better than MW2, the multiplayer frequently crashes and you can't get a ping below 40. I paid like $80 for that. YES! I have a right to complain! Let our voices be heard!

Also, I was talking on System Wars about how savage this COD is. Its always been a violent series but there are some really nasty things you're asked to do, like putting glass in a blokes mouth and punching him in the face. I don't find that fun or "cool" "dudes". I thought that was really primitive. Their image of Castro is laughable. It really makes you question the direction (and agenda) of the series.

biggest_loser

But the airplane level in MW2 was ok? Where they ask you to kill innocents? :roll:

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

The formula is a year older. The scenarios lack imagination and the story is highly convoluted with some really awful dialogue. lol most of the script is this yahoo screaming. The numbers you clod! :P Its also terribly optimised, it doesn't look any better than MW2, the multiplayer frequently crashes and you can't get a ping below 40. I paid like $80 for that. YES! I have a right to complain! Let our voices be heard!

Also, I was talking on System Wars about how savage this COD is. Its always been a violent series but there are some really nasty things you're asked to do, like putting glass in a blokes mouth and punching him in the face. I don't find that fun or "cool" "dudes". I thought that was really primitive. Their image of Castro is laughable. It really makes you question the direction (and agenda) of the series.

kozzy1234

But the airplane level in MW2 was ok? Where they ask you to kill innocents? :roll:

It's not? It's not as good as CoD 4 but it's far better than W@W and MW2.

Ugh the optimization kills me. I just beat COD5 on high settings, and this game won't get a decent framerate when I put every setting on minimum except res. Maybe I need a patch or something, I don't know.

It's favorite COD, the SP is quite fun and the multiplayer is obviously great (Sure it's not balanced but it's still playable)

Not as good as COD4 I agree, but I personally think MW2 is much worse then Black Ops and one of the worst in the series (COD3 is the only one that might be as bad).

MW2 is one of the worst games ive played this gen.

kozzy1234

I dont understand all the love forCOD 4, nothing but nade spam.

I dont understand all the love forCOD 4, nothing but nade spam.

Cranler

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

I dont understand all the love forCOD 4, nothing but nade spam.

FelipeInside

Blops is made by an inferior company, and they weren't able to put the proper feel into the game that was in MW1 and MW2.

MyopicCanadian

agreed. also the sp was woeful; i know cod games arent known for their complexity but this was as simple and shallow and uninspiring as they come. a massive disappointment

Also, I was talking on System Wars about how savage this COD is. Its always been a violent series but there are some really nasty things you're asked to do, like putting glass in a blokes mouth and punching him in the face. I don't find that fun or "cool" "dudes". I thought that was really primitive. Their image of Castro is laughable. It really makes you question the direction (and agenda) of the series.

biggest_loser

>how savage this CoD is

>implying that Black Ops is the most savage CoD

>hmm, let's think about MW2, shall we?

>scene where you gun down numerous civilians

>scene where torture of Rojas is implied, and then the dude is left to die tied to a grate

>yep, Black Ops - definitely the most savage CoD

I mean, I understand not liking the game, but please, MW2 was twice as worse in this regard.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Cranler"]

I dont understand all the love forCOD 4, nothing but nade spam.

the_ChEeSe_mAn2

I never encountered that much grenade spamming online in 4. Especially compared to Blops and, to a lesser extent MW2.

Because unlike 4 (black ops's performance is utterly laughable)

phenom II 945, 4gigs of RAM, GTX570, and the game still chugs worse than any COD game I have ever played! (while not looking much better at all)

IT IS UNOPTIMIZED, and OVER ADVERTISED/OVER MARKETED.

- performs terribly on the ps3 and PC, which is shameful considering its the same game engine has CoD2 with a few tweaks. It just looks bad overall

- Same damn MP component every year, with killstreaks to award good players and make them do even better

- maps are smaller than my front yard

- waves of useless DLC, but no patches to fix glaring issues

- Very inconsistent use of MP community. Peer 2 peer one game, then dedicated, then restricted dedicated. They can't make up their mind

- Devs show no interest in the market outide milking consoles. Statements like "BUt the PC has exclusive options like mouse control, text chat, and resolution setings" come to mind.

- Each game has less than a year dev time

- MW3 has a bunch of studios working on the game at the same time. Smells like rushed cash grab as typical of Activision

And yet people buy this series of games by the billions

It doesn't run as well, but the fact WAW runs better really makes me wonder what they were thinking when they make this game.

You have to mess with the configs to make it playable.

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] It's like that with every CoD these days.... but vanilla COD4 wasn't. It was more about group tactics and skill. I wish the next CoD doesn't have this...Phoenix534

I never encountered that much grenade spamming online in 4. Especially compared to Blops and, to a lesser extent MW2.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"] To be fair, Cranler is right, one of the biggest faults of COD4, both online and offline, is the amount of grenades the bots and the players throw. This just throws a lot of tactics and skill out the window.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

I never encountered that much grenade spamming online in 4. Especially compared to Blops and, to a lesser extent MW2.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Also, I was talking on System Wars about how savage this COD is. Its always been a violent series but there are some really nasty things you're asked to do, like putting glass in a blokes mouth and punching him in the face. I don't find that fun or "cool" "dudes". I thought that was really primitive. Their image of Castro is laughable. It really makes you question the direction (and agenda) of the series.

psn8214

>how savage this CoD is

>implying that Black Ops is the most savage CoD

>hmm, let's think about MW2, shall we?

>scene where you gun down numerous civilians

>scene where torture of Rojas is implied, and then the dude is left to die tied to a grate

>yep, Black Ops - definitely the most savage CoD

I mean, I understand not liking the game, but please, MW2 was twice as worse in this regard.

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Also, I was talking on System Wars about how savage this COD is. Its always been a violent series but there are some really nasty things you're asked to do, like putting glass in a blokes mouth and punching him in the face. I don't find that fun or "cool" "dudes". I thought that was really primitive. Their image of Castro is laughable. It really makes you question the direction (and agenda) of the series.

biggest_loser

>how savage this CoD is

>implying that Black Ops is the most savage CoD

>hmm, let's think about MW2, shall we?

>scene where you gun down numerous civilians

>scene where torture of Rojas is implied, and then the dude is left to die tied to a grate

>yep, Black Ops - definitely the most savage CoD

I mean, I understand not liking the game, but please, MW2 was twice as worse in this regard.

I think game devs are going down the road of music artists.... desperate music artists like KEI$HA.

They need to SHOCK and be all SEXY and SEXUAL to make up for their crap music...

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Also, I was talking on System Wars about how savage this COD is. Its always been a violent series but there are some really nasty things you're asked to do, like putting glass in a blokes mouth and punching him in the face. I don't find that fun or "cool" "dudes". I thought that was really primitive. Their image of Castro is laughable. It really makes you question the direction (and agenda) of the series.

biggest_loser

>how savage this CoD is

>implying that Black Ops is the most savage CoD

>hmm, let's think about MW2, shall we?

>scene where you gun down numerous civilians

>scene where torture of Rojas is implied, and then the dude is left to die tied to a grate

>yep, Black Ops - definitely the most savage CoD

I mean, I understand not liking the game, but please, MW2 was twice as worse in this regard.

Nice excuses I must admit :P

Like PSN said, I dont have an issue with people hating Black Ops but to act like it was more GRUESOME then MW2's airpot scene is laughable. That airpot scene was one of the most violent parts I have seen in any videogame. Didnt bother me personally, but if gruesome stuff did bother me I would be much more offended about bgeing forced to shoot hundreds of innocents in an airpot then putting glass in a dudes mouth or that they made Castro seem like a cowardly murderor.

Oh well, to each there own :P

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"][QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

I never encountered that much grenade spamming online in 4. Especially compared to Blops and, to a lesser extent MW2.

FelipeInside

I am confused about your post, since you mention that name spam was a problem in COD4 and in vanilla version it was less about spam and more about skill.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"] As someone who played COD 4 for almost 2 years, I noticed a LOT of grenade spam. When the frag x3 perk is available to anyone, it becomes problematic on medium-small maps.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

I am confused about your post, since you mention that name spam was a problem in COD4 and in vanilla version it was less about spam and more about skill.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

>how savage this CoD is

>implying that Black Ops is the most savage CoD

>hmm, let's think about MW2, shall we?

>scene where you gun down numerous civilians

>scene where torture of Rojas is implied, and then the dude is left to die tied to a grate

>yep, Black Ops - definitely the most savage CoD

I mean, I understand not liking the game, but please, MW2 was twice as worse in this regard.

kozzy1234

Nice excuses I must admit :P

Like PSN said, I dont have an issue with people hating Black Ops but to act like it was more GRUESOME then MW2's airpot scene is laughable. That airpot scene was one of the most violent parts I have seen in any videogame. Didnt bother me personally, but if gruesome stuff did bother me I would be much more offended about bgeing forced to shoot hundreds of innocents in an airpot then putting glass in a dudes mouth or that they made Castro seem like a cowardly murderor.

Oh well, to each there own :P

One thing I would like to say about Black Ops is this: it has prone and lean. 'Nuff said. :D

One thing I would like to say about Black Ops is this: it has prone and lean. 'Nuff said. :D

JN_Fenrir

Prone only encourages camping and IMO should not exist in multiplayer mode.

[QUOTE="JN_Fenrir"]

One thing I would like to say about Black Ops is this: it has prone and lean. 'Nuff said. :D

mkaliaz

Prone only encourages camping and IMO should not exist in multiplayer mode.

Both are gruesome but which one moves closer to glorifying its act?

biggest_loser

Modern Warfare 2, by far. How anyone can argue otherwise mystifies me. Like, I can totally see disliking Black Ops more for any number (numbers lol) of reasons, but as to which glorifies murder/torture more? C'mon... :roll:

Again, the airport scene is part of the plot and I don't think you actually have to shoot the first lot of civilians. I don't think. I need to check that. Implied torture is nowhere near as bad as forcing a player to participate in through a quicktime event, making a game of it. Black Ops: You put glass in a blokes mouth to torture him, you have a quick time event to strangle someone, they make Castro out to be this cowardly murderer, you cut someones throat in slow motion I think. Those first two points: you can't even skip them.

biggest_loser

Just because it's part of the plot doesn't justify it. The Black Ops scenes were very much part of the plot as well. Clarke was the only link to an overarching plot threatening the safety of an entire nation, of course they want to get the info out of him by any means necessary. Castro was merely trying to impress Dragovich - I don't think anyone thinks it was, or was supposed to be an accurate portrayal. This, just never happened. There was throating cutting, but slo mo? :roll:

Can't say I never really got to play since it runs horribly on my Pc but modern warfare 2 runs great go figure.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Again, the airport scene is part of the plot and I don't think you actually have to shoot the first lot of civilians. I don't think. I need to check that. Implied torture is nowhere near as bad as forcing a player to participate in through a quicktime event, making a game of it. Black Ops: You put glass in a blokes mouth to torture him, you have a quick time event to strangle someone, they make Castro out to be this cowardly murderer, you cut someones throat in slow motion I think. Those first two points: you can't even skip them.

psn8214

Just because it's part of the plot doesn't justify it. The Black Ops scenes were very much part of the plot as well. Clarke was the only link to an overarching plot threatening the safety of an entire nation, of course they want to get the info out of him by any means necessary. Castro was merely trying to impress Dragovich - I don't think anyone thinks it was, or was supposed to be an accurate portrayal. This, just never happened. There was throating cutting, but slo mo? :roll:

What I'm saying is that by making you do that in a quick time event its almost like they're justifying it. I don't find that fun to watch or play. Its barbaric. The same with torturing a bloke in a quick time event. Its just horrible to participate in. Not "cool" as its probably meant to look.

With the airport, you don't have to shoot in the early section if you don't want to. Its meant to look horrific, not like they're saying 'oh this is great'. It actually shows you want your enemy is capable of.

Its not accurate but its still the developers representation that annoys me. Its a very American outlook and with the number of people playing this game you have to be careful with things like that.

Slo-mo or not I don't find it appealing to watch.

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] It's like that with every CoD these days.... but vanilla COD4 wasn't. It was more about group tactics and skill. I wish the next CoD doesn't have this...Phoenix534

I never encountered that much grenade spamming online in 4. Especially compared to Blops and, to a lesser extent MW2.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"] To be fair, Cranler is right, one of the biggest faults of COD4, both online and offline, is the amount of grenades the bots and the players throw. This just throws a lot of tactics and skill out the window.Cranler

I never encountered that much grenade spamming online in 4. Especially compared to Blops and, to a lesser extent MW2.