GTX 970 and 980 to have 4GB initally and 8GB models later

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#1 Posted by Coseniath (3183 posts) -

From Guru3D:

Well, we've been saying that for a while now. But loose lips from an employee over at Overclockers in the UK claim that NVIDIA's GeForce 980 and GeForce GTX 970 reference cards will feature 4GB GDDR5 memory. SKUs with custom coolers and 8GB GDDR5 memory will follow at a later date and claims the 980 will be faster than the GeForce GTX 780.

According to OCUK the GTX 970 and GTX 980 with 8GB models are expected somewhere between November and December. They did not comment on GM204 performance, but did mention that GTX 980 replaces GTX 780, not GTX 780 Ti (ooh shocking news)

OCUK:

980 / 970 4GB reference cards with 8GB coming at a later date with custom coolers. Can’t say any more but don’t expect a huge leap in performance over current single GPU stuff.

OCUK:

They replace 780, not 780Ti.

Performance wise, my lips are sealed on how it compares to 780Ti, but of course 980 is quicker than 780 for sure!

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#2 Posted by GTR12 (12725 posts) -

@Coseniath:

What an idiot...

980 is faster than 780, OMFG, someone tell this guy that water is wet, what a moron.

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#3 Posted by Coseniath (3183 posts) -
@GTR12 said:

@Coseniath:

What an idiot...

980 is faster than 780, OMFG, someone tell this guy that water is wet, what a moron.

Yeah, I think they cannot speak about performance and he just said the retarded obvious... at least he shared the info about 8GB...

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#4 Posted by GTR12 (12725 posts) -

@Coseniath:

I don't believe the 8GB, maybe they guy cant read either, I'm assuming 6GB for now.

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#5 Posted by Coseniath (3183 posts) -

@GTR12: Well there were consumer samples of 8GB VRAM, and Nvidia was always letting companies to offer double VRAM for their's latest GTXx80 models...

So apart from the fact he just again confirmed the obvious (:P), we will see these 8GB models soon like we did with GTX680 4GB models.

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#6 Posted by couly (6147 posts) -

He's saying the GTX980 is faster than the GTX780, this is obvious yes, but he's hinting at the fact that it is NOT faster than the 780ti or at least on a par.

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#8 Posted by Lach0121 (10941 posts) -

I will wait for the 8gb version, or even the card that actually replaces the 780ti. However, I don't much care for custom coolers, unless they only blow air out the back of the case, like most reference coolers. Most of the time when I see a custom cooler on a gpu, its just blowing all that hot air around in the case, and not out the back of it.

The 980 will have to easily beat the 780ti for me to get it. Otherwise I am waiting until Nvidia brings out a gpu that does.

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#9 Posted by mep69 (1926 posts) -

As soon as the 8gb model is out, my shopping spree begins.

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#10 Posted by stizzal13 (609 posts) -

The more rumors I hear about the early 900 series, the more convinced I become about waiting for the full release of the series. If the 980 does not outperform a 780ti by a good margin, then I will definitely wait.

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#11 Posted by ShepardCommandr (4844 posts) -

I don't believe any of that.I will wait for the reviews.

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#12 Edited by SevenzFlow (378 posts) -

@stizzal13 said:

The more rumors I hear about the early 900 series, the more convinced I become about waiting for the full release of the series. If the 980 does not outperform a 780ti by a good margin, then I will definitely wait.

Sums it up, though I feel 8gb models are a tad high. 5-6 would be perfect for a long time.

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#13 Edited by The_Stand_In (882 posts) -

The 980 doesn't outperform the 780 Ti? That would be really disappointing if true...

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#14 Posted by insane_metalist (7786 posts) -

I don't understand why they didn't make 780 Ti 4GB... As of right now 4GB will be plenty for quiet sometime. 8GB is for those who are running 3+ monitors.

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#15 Edited by pyro1245 (3282 posts) -

@GTR12 said:

@Coseniath:

What an idiot...

980 is faster than 780, OMFG, someone tell this guy that water is wet, what a moron.

Seems like a obvious thing, right? History has shown that higher numbers don't always mean faster though. The GeForce 8800 was more powerful than its budget 9000 series successor. Just saying.....

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#16 Posted by RyviusARC (5657 posts) -

Some more info was supposedly leaked that shows the GTX 980 having 2560 shader units and 64 rops.

If this is true then the GTX 980 should be around 25% better than the GTX 780 ti.

And if the GTX 980 is anything like the 750ti then the 980 should be an awesome overclocker as well.

The 980 is said to have a 256 bit bus but to counter the lower bus width the 980 comes with a much larger L2 cache and is much more efficient so it should be able to handle higher resolutions without much of an issue.

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#17 Edited by GTR12 (12725 posts) -

@pyro1245 said:

@GTR12 said:

@Coseniath:

What an idiot...

980 is faster than 780, OMFG, someone tell this guy that water is wet, what a moron.

Seems like a obvious thing, right? History has shown that higher numbers don't always mean faster though. The GeForce 8800 was more powerful than its budget 9000 series successor. Just saying.....

What?

The 9800GT is => than the 8800GT, higher numbers mean faster...

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#18 Edited by Bikouchu35 (8201 posts) -

@GTR12 said:

@pyro1245 said:

@GTR12 said:

@Coseniath:

What an idiot...

980 is faster than 780, OMFG, someone tell this guy that water is wet, what a moron.

Seems like a obvious thing, right? History has shown that higher numbers don't always mean faster though. The GeForce 8800 was more powerful than its budget 9000 series successor. Just saying.....

What?

The 9800GT is => than the 8800GT, higher numbers mean faster...

9800pro Ati will smoke everything out thar I har.

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#19 Edited by Coseniath (3183 posts) -
@RyviusARC said:

Some more info was supposedly leaked that shows the GTX 980 having 2560 shader units and 64 rops.

If this is true then the GTX 980 should be around 25% better than the GTX 780 ti.

And if the GTX 980 is anything like the 750ti then the 980 should be an awesome overclocker as well.

The 980 is said to have a 256 bit bus but to counter the lower bus width the 980 comes with a much larger L2 cache and is much more efficient so it should be able to handle higher resolutions without much of an issue.

Yeah I read that. I would linked it here but the same source that was saying about 2560/160/64, was also saying "GM104".

That's why I thought not to link it...

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#20 Posted by Horgen (116620 posts) -

@RyviusARC said:

Some more info was supposedly leaked that shows the GTX 980 having 2560 shader units and 64 rops.

If this is true then the GTX 980 should be around 25% better than the GTX 780 ti.

And if the GTX 980 is anything like the 750ti then the 980 should be an awesome overclocker as well.

The 980 is said to have a 256 bit bus but to counter the lower bus width the 980 comes with a much larger L2 cache and is much more efficient so it should be able to handle higher resolutions without much of an issue.

GM204 then? If so I am not interested. Anyway it is still 28nm so that's puts me off the purchase as well.

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#21 Posted by GTR12 (12725 posts) -

@Bikouchu35 said:

@GTR12 said:

@pyro1245 said:

@GTR12 said:

@Coseniath:

What an idiot...

980 is faster than 780, OMFG, someone tell this guy that water is wet, what a moron.

Seems like a obvious thing, right? History has shown that higher numbers don't always mean faster though. The GeForce 8800 was more powerful than its budget 9000 series successor. Just saying.....

What?

The 9800GT is => than the 8800GT, higher numbers mean faster...

9800pro Ati will smoke everything out thar I har.

Oh you lol, you know what I meant.

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#22 Edited by mastershake575 (8489 posts) -

@couly said:

He's saying the GTX980 is faster than the GTX780, this is obvious yes, but he's hinting at the fact that it is NOT faster than the 780ti or at least on a par.

I don't know why he would hint at that (the 780 ti is only like 12-16% faster than a regular 780).

The 780 to 980 jump should easily surpass the 12-16% gap

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#23 Posted by R4gn4r0k (27121 posts) -

@Coseniath said:

[...] and claims the 980 will be faster than the GeForce GTX 780.

Hyped !

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#24 Posted by deactivated-59d151f079814 (47239 posts) -

Are people still interested in news like this? In less your pushing for 4k displays or multi monitor displays at very high resolutions, you can get by with cards as old as the ATI 78xx series or Nvidia 6xx series.. I mean I can't think of any games out there that is driving systems down to their knees unless they are horribly optemized..

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#25 Posted by KHAndAnime (17565 posts) -

@sSubZerOo said:

Are people still interested in news like this? In less your pushing for 4k displays or multi monitor displays at very high resolutions, you can get by with cards as old as the ATI 78xx series or Nvidia 6xx series.. I mean I can't think of any games out there that is driving systems down to their knees unless they are horribly optemized..

I like running the newest games at highest settings, 1200P, with 4x AA, and I don't like dual-card setups. So yes, I'm interested. 2Gb of VRAM isn't enough for 1080P/1200P anymore if you like the high end of things.

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#27 Edited by Lach0121 (10941 posts) -

@Motokid6: I think Nvidia decided to name the series coming out the 9 series instead of the 8 series.

Some of us hope they did this because there is a significant performance jump from GTX7 series to the GTX9 series. But we will all find out soon.

@KHAndAnime I feel ya man, I want basically the same thing but I am going 1440p, and want a single gpu that will allow me to max/high for a while to come.

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#28 Posted by deactivated-579f651eab962 (5404 posts) -

If the GTX 980 isn't at least 20% faster than a 780Ti I will look like this....

Reaction GIF: what?, not impressed, Whitney Houston
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#29 Posted by Lach0121 (10941 posts) -

@klunt_bumskrint:

I completely agree with you!

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#30 Posted by Tabris91 (7779 posts) -

@klunt_bumskrint said:

If the GTX 980 isn't at least 20% faster than a 780Ti I will look like this....

Same. I'm hoping to pick two up but might just get a 295X2 if they're not faster than the 780 ti.

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#31 Posted by glez13 (9761 posts) -

@pyro1245 said:

@GTR12 said:

@Coseniath:

What an idiot...

980 is faster than 780, OMFG, someone tell this guy that water is wet, what a moron.

Seems like a obvious thing, right? History has shown that higher numbers don't always mean faster though. The GeForce 8800 was more powerful than its budget 9000 series successor. Just saying.....

But that had a good reason and is not the norm. G8x 8800 are slower than 9600, G9x 8800 are faster than 9600 because in essence they are 9800 but for some reason Nvidia decided to still call them the same as the old series.

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#32 Edited by Coseniath (3183 posts) -
@klunt_bumskrint said:

If the GTX 980 isn't at least 20% faster than a 780Ti I will look like this....

I am not sure if people at Guru3D are trolling but according to information they have, GTX980 is 11% faster than GTX780ti in Firestrike.

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#33 Posted by GTR12 (12725 posts) -

@Coseniath:

Theres 3 980GTX's in that pic, stock, boost and boost+, lol?

They are soooo trolling.

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#34 Edited by Coseniath (3183 posts) -
@GTR12 said:

@Coseniath:

Theres 3 980GTX's in that pic, stock, boost and boost+, lol?

They are soooo trolling.

Judging by 780ti clocks (928 is the boost clock), they are only refering to boost clocks. I guess the 100% is the stock boost clock, and the other 2 are overclocked.

What really amazes me (if the numbers are real) is that the memory clock remains the same and despite that increasing the core clock by 6% they are getting 5% performance which means one thing.

256bit GDDR5 does not bottleneck this GPU! :O

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#35 Posted by RyviusARC (5657 posts) -

@Coseniath said:
@GTR12 said:

@Coseniath:

Theres 3 980GTX's in that pic, stock, boost and boost+, lol?

They are soooo trolling.

Judging by 780ti clocks (928 is the boost clock), they are only refering to boost clocks. I guess the 100% is the stock boost clock, and the other 2 are overclocked.

What really amazes me (if the numbers are real) is that the memory clock remains the same and despite that increasing the core clock by 6% they are getting 5% performance which means one thing.

256bit GDDR5 does not bottleneck this GPU! :O

The new maxwell cards have 8x the L2 cache compared to the Kepler cards so there is less need on a high bus width.

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#36 Posted by Horgen (116620 posts) -

@Coseniath said:
@klunt_bumskrint said:

If the GTX 980 isn't at least 20% faster than a 780Ti I will look like this....

I am not sure if people at Guru3D are trolling but according to information they have, GTX980 is 11% faster than GTX780ti in Firestrike.

I do wonder what we can expect from the GM210 now...

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#37 Posted by Coseniath (3183 posts) -
@RyviusARC said:

The new maxwell cards have 8x the L2 cache compared to the Kepler cards so there is less need on a high bus width.

Well we knew about the larger cache, but we didn't have results of high end products. Although I believed that it will not have a problem due to the same architecture based GPU GTX750/GTX750ti performance with low 128bit memory, other people were not so optimistic.

If its true, this is a clear result that memoroy doesn't bottlenck the GTX980.

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#38 Posted by Horgen (116620 posts) -

@Coseniath said:
@RyviusARC said:

The new maxwell cards have 8x the L2 cache compared to the Kepler cards so there is less need on a high bus width.

Well we knew about the larger cache, but we didn't have results of high end products. Although I believed that it will not have a problem due to the same architecture based GPU GTX750/GTX750ti performance with low 128bit memory, other people were not so optimistic.

If its true, this is a clear result that memoroy doesn't bottlenck the GTX980.

I do wonder if Volta cards will keep or increase the L2 cache... Given that they are supposed to stack the RAM pieces or something to allow bandwidth of 1TB/s or so.

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#39 Edited by Coseniath (3183 posts) -
@horgen said:

I do wonder if Volta cards will keep or increase the L2 cache... Given that they are supposed to stack the RAM pieces or something to allow bandwidth of 1TB/s or so.

I think they will do what's cheaper for them... And maybe that's the reason why Volta is being delayed (instead of high bandwidth they find a cheaper way to solve the VRAM bandwidth problem by increasing the cache)...

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#40 Posted by Horgen (116620 posts) -

It is being delayed @Coseniath? It wasn't expect before 2016/2017 anyway I think.

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#41 Posted by glez13 (9761 posts) -

@horgen said:

It is being delayed @Coseniath? It wasn't expect before 2016/2017 anyway I think.

Remember that Pascal replaced Volta, and yes the estimated release is 2016.

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#42 Edited by Coseniath (3183 posts) -
@glez13 said:

@horgen said:

It is being delayed @Coseniath? It wasn't expect before 2016/2017 anyway I think.

Remember that Pascal replaced Volta, and yes the estimated release is 2016.

This. Volta was supposed to be released after Maxwell.

But this year (coincidence?) Nvidia decided not to release stacked VRAM architecture Volta after Maxwell and release Pascal after Maxwell.

Also like the last roadmap says I expect Volta in 2018, not earlier...

edit: I forgot that I already have read about Pascal at Anandtech and that pascal will have 3D memory (maybe same tech like Samsung's 3D NAND) and Jen-Hsun Huang, already revealed a Pascal GPU oO.

Named for 17th century French mathematician Blaise Pascal, our next-generation family of GPUs will include three key new features: stacked DRAM, unified memory, and NVLink.

  • 3D Memory: Stacks DRAM chips into dense modules with wide interfaces, and brings them inside the same package as the GPU. This lets GPUs get data from memory more quickly – boosting throughput and efficiency – allowing us to build more compact GPUs that put more power into smaller devices. The result: several times greater bandwidth, more than twice the memory capacity and quadrupled energy efficiency.
  • Unified Memory: This will make building applications that take advantage of what both GPUs and CPUs can do quicker and easier by allowing the CPU to access the GPU’s memory, and the GPU to access the CPU’s memory, so developers don’t have to allocate resources between the two.
  • NVLink: Today’s computers are constrained by the speed at which data can move between the CPU and GPU. NVLink puts a fatter pipe between the CPU and GPU, allowing data to flow at more than 80GB per second, compared to the 16GB per second available now.
  • Pascal Module: NVIDIA has designed a module to house Pascal GPUs with NVLink. At one-third the size of the standard boards used today, they’ll put the power of GPUs into more compact form factors than ever before.

So what will Volta bring? oO

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#43 Edited by glez13 (9761 posts) -

@Coseniath: Nvidia wasn't clear on this, but for all we know Pascal completely replaces Volta, as in Volta is no more. They could use the name but it will be a new project.

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#44 Posted by deactivated-57d307c5efcda (1302 posts) -

Honestly I need a gpu with lots of VRAM. As I use my rig more for 3d modeling in 3ds max. My 680 does a decent job but it's 2gb of vram is holding it back. I will be disappointed if the 980 doesn't beat a 780 ti though. Even if they release a 8gb 980, if it still lags behind a 780 ti in performance then I will just continue on waiting or just grab a GTX 780 6gb model if its decently cheaper.

We won't know until the full story comes out, but I'm hoping a new architecture means a significant performance boost that easily beats a 780 Ti. I want the next 8800 GTX honestly. And I'm stuck buying Nvidia for Cuda since Autodesk supports Nvidia more than they do AMD. But also for games Nvidia has always done better with support though so I'm always willing to pay the nvidia tax over AMD, but I want a large jump, not a tiny one.

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#45 Edited by Coseniath (3183 posts) -
@glez13 said:

@Coseniath: Nvidia wasn't clear on this, but for all we know Pascal completely replaces Volta, as in Volta is no more. They could use the name but it will be a new project.

Yeah, that's what I read too. Volta will be after Pascal but we don't know anything...

@horgen said:

I do wonder what we can expect from the GM210 now...

Well if a near 2550 cores GPU can beat a previous gen near 2900 cores GPU by 11% (maybe more, we will wait and see about the clocks), I can Imagine a maxwell gen over 4500 core GM210 GPU (number is comparing the GK210/204 to GM204) could do... Maybe a little less than Titan Z / R9 295X2 performance...

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#46 Posted by harry_james_pot (11399 posts) -

Are those things dx12?

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#47 Posted by Coseniath (3183 posts) -
@harry_james_pot said:

Are those things dx12?

Yeap. The first Nvidia DX12 fully enabled GPUs.

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#48 Posted by harry_james_pot (11399 posts) -

@Coseniath said:
@harry_james_pot said:

Are those things dx12?

Yeap. The first Nvidia DX12 fully enabled GPUs.

Great. I'm gonna wait to see how my PC handles The Witcher 3 though before upgrading.

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#49 Edited by glez13 (9761 posts) -

@harry_james_pot said:

@Coseniath said:
@harry_james_pot said:

Are those things dx12?

Yeap. The first Nvidia DX12 fully enabled GPUs.

Great. I'm gonna wait to see how my PC handles The Witcher 3 though before upgrading.

Supposedly all DX11 cards are DX12 compatible. AMD is already advertising the new r9 285 and basically any of their GCN GPUs as DX12 compatible, but if you take a look at the footnote it reveals that not even AMD is sure what the final DX12 specification will be so I can only assume that Nvidia doesn't know either.

http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/r9#

"11. Based on our review of the Microsoft DirectX(r) 12 specification dated July 23, 2014, we are confident that devices based on our GCN architecture will be able to support DirectX(r) 12 graphics when available. We recommend that you check AMD.com prior to purchase to confirm that a particular device will support DirectX(r) 12 graphics. Note however, any changes to the DirectX(r) 12 specification after this date could impact or completely eliminate this ability – and AMD disclaims all liability resulting therefrom."

"13. Based on preliminary DirectX 12 specifications as of July, 2014, AMD’s GCN-based products are expected to support DirectX 12 upon its release. The DirectX 12 specification and support for it are subject to change without notice."

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#50 Posted by Coseniath (3183 posts) -
@glez13 said:

@harry_james_pot said:

@Coseniath said:
@harry_james_pot said:

Are those things dx12?

Yeap. The first Nvidia DX12 fully enabled GPUs.

Great. I'm gonna wait to see how my PC handles The Witcher 3 though before upgrading.

Supposedly all DX11 cards are DX12 compatible. AMD is already advertising the new r9 285 and basically any of their GCN GPUs as DX12 compatible, but if you take a look at the footnote it reveals that not even AMD is sure what the final DX12 specification will be so I can only assume that Nvidia doesn't know either.

http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/r9#

"11. Based on our review of the Microsoft DirectX(r) 12 specification dated July 23, 2014, we are confident that devices based on our GCN architecture will be able to support DirectX(r) 12 graphics when available. We recommend that you check AMD.com prior to purchase to confirm that a particular device will support DirectX(r) 12 graphics. Note however, any changes to the DirectX(r) 12 specification after this date could impact or completely eliminate this ability – and AMD disclaims all liability resulting therefrom."

"13. Based on preliminary DirectX 12 specifications as of July, 2014, AMD’s GCN-based products are expected to support DirectX 12 upon its release. The DirectX 12 specification and support for it are subject to change without notice."

All AMD 7xxx series and after are DX12 combatible. 6xxx and 5xxx are NOT compatible according to AMD.

Nvidia has a wider range since all Nvidia 4xx, 5xx, 6xx and 7xx are compatible.

DX12 GPUs will have more features from DX11/DX12 compatible GPUs.