Elder Scrolls MMORPG will have subscription fee

  [QUOTE="MBirdy88"] What success? most people getting bored of it because of its AWFUL lack of trinity with no complexity, no good end game, just random stupid temporary content. Oh sure, its a nice optional co-op rpg.... but seriously no..... its far from the best MMO in terms of sales or subs. inb4 link to fastest selling vanilla MMO... big whoop its retention rate has been crap.Ondoval

 I think that EVE Online is the only MMORPG in the whole scene that deserves a montly fee. Is truly a different experience, almost a socio-economic simulator in which the gameplay is constantly evolving due emerges from both the developers and the huge community.

   But what about the other MOOs with montly fees? Not even Blizzard is able to provide content on regular basics to keep the players bussy for more than 2-3 months at year, which is the most time it will take veteran players to complete most of the task in ecah new expansion. 1, 2, 3 months at most.

   You also talk about GW2 having no clue about; trinity exists in GW2, but instead of dps/tank/healer it uses a dps/control/support, and is only required in WvW Guild vs Guild gorups, in which Warriors play the role of control+ support (hammer crowd control skills + warhorn buffs), Guardians are used as support and healers (group stability, group buffs, group healings with F2 and Tome of Valor); Elementalist provide either group healings (water Eles with water fields and finishers) or AoE damage; Necro, Rangerss and Engies provide AoE dps, Mersmers provide logistics and support (mass inviss, mass teleports, bubbles... and Thieves are mostly scouts and marauders to take camps and to cup suplies... So the trinity exists in GW2, is only that you don't need the trinity in dungeons due in dungeons everyone is more than enough to take care for himself -which makes easier to build groups, due you don't need xx% of tanks and %xx of healers-.

  ANET also is patching the game every week and releasing new contents evry two weeks, all for free, whereas tons of MMOs based on monthly fees (WAR, SWTOR, AoC) had utter crapy support and barely new contents after months and months of post-release.

   GW 2 is far from being perfect, but is a solid, robust game with tons of quality which provides contents fot hundreds of hours -I'm personally near to the 2k mark- and doesn't demand a monthly fee nor gives you any advantage no matter how much real money you invest in cosmetics -and you don't ever need to use real money for cosmetics, I have 5 80's well geared and I dind't spent a cent after buying the game-.

    So laugh harder if you can, I'll probably buy TES Online jut to play for a month and then will not care a crap about it. The game looks like a shadow of a true TES game and the monthly fee model means dead on arrival. If Star Wars can't survive as a mf sure TES Online can't, also.

If I were to get TES online, I would rather it have a subscription fee than not. F2P ultimately hurts the quality of the gaming experience in one way or another. That being said. If they have a rocky launch or there simply isn't enough interest, they will eventually go F2P.

Birdy, did you know that GW2's revenue (or profit, though most likely the former) went down 20% from last quarter? Really shows how viable this B2P model is in the end. Even if their players stay, they will still sooner or later reach a point where players have the skins they want. It just isnt a very sustainable model. At least with P2P, the devs will reliably get 15 dollars a month from each player, and if the devs supply their fans with content and good support, it is very sustainable.

That said, I still dont have much hope in this game. Even if it uses a subscription model it still doesnt look to do anything great, why spend a monthly fee on this when there are better mmos out there.

First free month? Lol. The first month is the most expensive cause it cost the gamer $50-60. The first month is free nonsense is always holarious to me.

Pedro

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I don't understand why people make a big deal out of $15 a month.

If you're a pc gamer chances are $15 just is not that much money, to most anyway.

Elann2008

That's like $180 a year though. I can do a lot with $180.

But wait...if you compare the amount of hours if entertainment you get for that $15 it's almost saving money. I used to buy 2 or 3 games a month but when I'm playing WoW I buy none at all.

So you see you get a lot of value out of that $15 really. Besides this $15 a month is like 2 trips to burger king....we all blow way more money than we think but then act like that $15 a month is such a waste of money.

Now sure if you end up not liking the game then you should not pay the sub but when looking at the big picture....that $15 a month is pretty dang negligible.

It will, for a while. Then it'll fail like every single other MMO since WoW took the throne and they'll be forced to adopt a free to play model. The air must be really thin on top of that mountain of MMO corpses upon which the glorious World of Warcraft reigns as king.

It will, for a while. Then it'll fail like every single other MMO since WoW took the throne and they'll be forced to adopt a free to play model. The air must be really thin on top of that mountain of MMO corpses upon which the glorious World of Warcraft reigns as king.

-Unreal-

You're a WoW fan maybe?

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It will, for a while. Then it'll fail like every single other MMO since WoW took the throne and they'll be forced to adopt a free to play model. The air must be really thin on top of that mountain of MMO corpses upon which the glorious World of Warcraft reigns as king.

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You're a WoW fan maybe?

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It will, for a while. Then it'll fail like every single other MMO since WoW took the throne and they'll be forced to adopt a free to play model. The air must be really thin on top of that mountain of MMO corpses upon which the glorious World of Warcraft reigns as king.

KHAndAnime

You're a WoW fan maybe?

Don't get me wrong, I think WoW is an amazing game. :)

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You're a WoW fan maybe?

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Don't get me wrong, I think WoW is an amazing game. :)

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Guild Wars 2's endgame by its community "Level new characters, go back and do quests you missed, explore the world, grind a pointless legendary". Explored the entire world in 2 weeks... effortlessly with no challenge despite apparent "Level scaling = everything is endgame" Level new characters and old quests is NOT engame... its repeat-new-game. Fractals? oh my god ... any window licker that likes this over dungeons/raiding .... UGHMBirdy88

Like I said, you missed the point of GW2 and therefore it's not an MMO for you.

People seem to think ALL MMOs are just about end-game.  And no, not every MMO should be compared to WoW because current MMOs do things differently.  For example GW2 and The Secret World.

And ur wrong about nothing to do, I'm in a Guild who does heaps of things at max level.  Currently they are also going to start Guild Missions.

People need to realise that MMO's are much cheaper at launch than regular games and they also contain 1 free month. I doubt you could name many games that you could get more value for money  and also if after a month you enjoyed it enough and still play it a lot then you have probably sunk more hours into that than pretty much any single player game that costs £40.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I think you missed the whole point of GW2. You can't assume each MMO is going to be WoW.FelipeInside

Like I said, you missed the point of GW2 and therefore it's not an MMO for you.

People seem to think ALL MMOs are just about end-game.  And no, not every MMO should be compared to WoW because current MMOs do things differently.  For example GW2 and The Secret World.

And ur wrong about nothing to do, I'm in a Guild who does heaps of things at max level.  Currently they are also going to start Guild Missions.

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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] Maybe, but what is its point? It keeps getting mentioned in these discussions so I should be comparing it should I not? The game has nothing to do at 80.... because apperently challengless repetitive stuff prior to 80 is now fun, cool and endgame. defies all logic.MBirdy88

Like I said, you missed the point of GW2 and therefore it's not an MMO for you.

People seem to think ALL MMOs are just about end-game.  And no, not every MMO should be compared to WoW because current MMOs do things differently.  For example GW2 and The Secret World.

And ur wrong about nothing to do, I'm in a Guild who does heaps of things at max level.  Currently they are also going to start Guild Missions.

Who said GW2 had something that neither WoW or FFXIV had?

I can't comment on FF cause I never played it, but currently I play GW2 and WoW and they are different beasts.  For example GW2 has a main storyline which WoW sort of misses.  GW2 has map exploration, vistas, massive group events where you don't need to be in a raid to perform.

They are both awesome MMOs, but it's very hard to compare them cause they are very different.

It won't be good enough to justify that price. It will end up going free to play about a year or so from now, and won't compete with the other mmos out there.

It won't be good enough to justify that price. It will end up going free to play about a year or so from now, and won't compete with the other mmos out there.

Deadpool-n

I'll pass but I'll see what Wildstar's model is before I make a full decision.

I'll pass but I'll see what Wildstar's model is before I make a full decision.

WiiMan21

Wildstar is also sub-based but with a system similar to EvE where you can buy game time with in-game currency.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-19-wildstar-picks-subscriptions-but-you-can-trade-gold-for-game-time

lost all interest.

HyperWarlock

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Guild Wars 2's endgame by its community "Level new characters, go back and do quests you missed, explore the world, grind a pointless legendary". Explored the entire world in 2 weeks... effortlessly with no challenge despite apparent "Level scaling = everything is endgame" Level new characters and old quests is NOT engame... its repeat-new-game. Fractals? oh my god ... any window licker that likes this over dungeons/raiding .... UGHMBirdy88

if you have no guild and no friends, maybe there's 'nothing to do'

I'll have my MMO fix with FF14 ARR.

I'll have my MMO fix with FF14 ARR.

Ballroompirate

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I'll have my MMO fix with FF14 ARR.

FelipeInside

the MMOs have nothing to do with the singleplayer games

I really want to try it but I feel FF games are unstable. unstable as in the fact that a new one comes out all the time, so I dont know how long that MMO will last because its part 14.

FelipeInside

Not only do the mmos have nothing to do with the SP FFs. But the single player games usually have little to do with eachother as well, outside of a recurring spells and themes such as chocobos, moogles and a guy called Cid. Each one has its own mechanics, setting and characters.

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I'll have my MMO fix with FF14 ARR.

wis3boi

the MMOs have nothing to do with the singleplayer games

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It won't be good enough to justify that price. It will end up going free to play about a year or so from now, and won't compete with the other mmos out there.

FelipeInside

haha Yeah I was just being cynical. The fanbase might help, but I feel like most of them that are into it because they are normally single player games and don't have a subscription. It will be on the next gen consoles, but I still think the major Elder Scrolls fans are turned off based on what I have seen in many different forums.

Who knows though. I say this now, but I could be playing it with a subscription a year from now for all I know haha Just have to wait and see if it is good or not

They will have a free to play option less then one year.Jd1680a

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It won't be good enough to justify that price. It will end up going free to play about a year or so from now, and won't compete with the other mmos out there.

FelipeInside

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It won't be good enough to justify that price. It will end up going free to play about a year or so from now, and won't compete with the other mmos out there.

FelipeInside

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It won't be good enough to justify that price. It will end up going free to play about a year or so from now, and won't compete with the other mmos out there.

MBirdy88

Ah thanks for clearing that up, I knew one of these new MMOs was crossplatform.

Meh I will buy the game regardless and try it out for a few months and see if it is worth it.