changing the res. to 1680x1050 from 1024x768-what will be the fps decrease?

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#1 onuruca
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hi, right now i have a 17' flat philips crt screen which i use at 1024*768 and i'm thinking of buying a Samsung 226BW. But my only concern is my performance at games might fall. my rig: 2gigs of ram,c2d e4500, and a 8800 GT.

i'm getting a stable 60 fps at most games maxed out (Stranglehold,Call of Duty,NFS-PS,Kane&Lynch;MohA),30-60 fps at Crysis at high and 40 fps at Dirt on ultra.

my question is if i'll buy the 226BW for example will i get a stable 60fps again or will it fall down at 40-50? and what about crysis? probably i won't be running on high any more right? :(

thanks in advance! :)

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#2 inyourface_12
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sorry didnt read, yeah your fps will decrease pretty bad.
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#3 Indestructible2
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60FPS is for the most part,overkill unless the minimum FPS is around 30,but yeah there will be a pretty huge drop in performance,mainly for Crysis though,you should get close to 60FPS in most of the other games.
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#4 kodex1717
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You'll probably still get 60 in CoD and MoHA, but probably 30-40 in the other games. I'd expect around 20 FPS in Crysis, probably lower.
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#5 onuruca
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is it possible to get the 226 BW and use a lower resolution than 1680x1050
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#6 kodex1717
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Yes, but it wouldn't look right. It would either be streached or text would be unreadable due to a low resolution.
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#7 onuruca
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seems like i won't change my monitor :S
Yes, but it wouldn't look right. It would either be streached or text would be unreadable due to a low resolution.kodex1717
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#8 kodex1717
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I'd certainly change your monitor, but I'd go with a 19" widescreen with a resolution of 1440x900. You'll get slightly better performance than if you playing at 1280x1024. I recently changed from an 11 year old IBM P50 (16", 1024x768 ) to my LG Flatron L196WTQ (19", 1440x900, 2ms resopnse time, 3000:1 contrast ratio) and the difference is night and day. Where the colors were bleached-out on the CRT, they're vivid and life-like on the LCD. Things even blur less with motion, if you can believe that. I highly recommend that you get a 19" widescreen monitor, as it's far better than what you have.
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#9 2006toohuman
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just do it, the resolution change is worth it. i have the 206BW and it is an amazing gaming monitor. i don't have crysis yet since im waiting for my new 8800GTS 512mb card to arrive, but when i played the demo on my old 8800gts 320mb, i prefered taking a performace hit at higher resolution to playing at a muggy looking 1024 X 768. just search thes forums, there is a great thread on what setting cause u to take the greatest performace hit, i think it was water effects and shadows.
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#10 nagol726
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If you have a decent comp it will still decrease alot but may not cause you trouble. on my old comp my res was 800 by 600 "sucks" i turned it up to 1440 by 900 fps went from 65 to 8
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#11 onuruca
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right know i'm playing at 1024*768.

your idea of 'buying a 19' instead of 22' came ideal to me :)

I'd certainly change your monitor, but I'd go with a 19" widescreen with a resolution of 1440x900. You'll get slightly better performance than if you playing at 1280x1024. I recently changed from an 11 year old IBM P50 (16", 1024x768 ) to my LG Flatron L196WTQ (19", 1440x900, 2ms resopnse time, 3000:1 contrast ratio) and the difference is night and day. Where the colors were bleached-out on the CRT, they're vivid and life-like on the LCD. Things even blur less with motion, if you can believe that. I highly recommend that you get a 19" widescreen monitor, as it's far better than what you have.kodex1717

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The difference in size between a 19" and a 22" is rather substantial, but either is far better than an old 17" CRT. You should be very satisfied if that's the route you take.
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#13 Baselerd
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You will get a substantial decrease, but with that graphics card (assuming it's the 512MB one) you will be fine for pretty much any game other than crysis. And the NVIDIA control panel actually lets you change your monitor to scale instead of stretch, so you can play at lower resolutions and use letterboxing.
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The difference in size between a 19" and a 22" is rather substantial, but either is far better than an old 17" CRT. You should be very satisfied if that's the route you take.kodex1717
I know i'm satisfied with my Samsung 206BW,don't plan on going back to Dell E773 CRT again! :D
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#15 shearMario
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With that card you should be able to max out every game at 1650x1050 res with very good frame rates, I have the 226bw monitor and play bioshock and unreal tournament 3 perfectly at that res with the 8800GTS 640MB card. Crysis I play everything at high with a resolution of 1280x768 and average 20-30fps.

To tell you the truth dropping resolutions isn't as bad as everybody says it is, I find it hard to really see the major quality drop when using nvidia scaling with fixed-aspect ratio.

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#16 Gog
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1680*1050 is 2.25 more pixels than 1024*768. Your framerate will crumble to less than 50% of what you have now in more recent games.
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#17 onuruca
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i tried a few games with 1280x1024 res. and my fps was between 45-50 at CoD 4,Stranglehold,K&l so it means like there is a 10 fps decrease. if i buy a 19' wide lcd and use the 1440x900 res. fps decrease will be a bit lower than this,right?

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#18 Thinker_145
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If you are worried about these things so much why dont you buy a good 19" CRT?

Seriously think about it you will be really restricted to one resolution.And crysis is not the only game out there that has a bad performance.I play dirt in 10x7 cuz the performance in 12x10 is acceptable but it's like low 30's most of the time whereas in 10x7 it's good in the 40's.I am pretty sure that the 8800GT cannot smoothly max out dirt in 16x10.

And whoever says that he upgraded from a CRT to LCD and thought the diference is night and day in picture quality must have a really crappy CRT to begin with.And i am pretty sure that your current monitor is also crappy that's why you cant play in 12x10 due to the refresh rate.When buying a CRT the most important thing to look at is the refresh rates on different resolutions.

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If you are worried about these things so much why dont you buy a good 19" CRT?

Seriously think about it you will be really restricted to one resolution.And crysis is not the only game out there that has a bad performance.I play dirt in 10x7 cuz the performance in 12x10 is acceptable but it's like low 30's most of the time whereas in 10x7 it's good in the 40's.And whoever says that he upgraded from a CRT to LCD and thought the diference is night and day in picture quality must have a really crappy CRT to begin with.And i am pretty sure that your current monitor is also crappy that's why you cant play in 12x10 due to the refresh rate.When buying a CRT the most important thing to look at is the refresh rates on different resolutions.

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Why must you always start a flame war between CRT and LCD (At least the TN panel ones) whenever theres a topic that has the words 'resolution' 'LCD' and 'CRT'?
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#20 2006toohuman
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If you are worried about these things so much why dont you buy a good 19" CRT?

Seriously think about it you will be really restricted to one resolution.And crysis is not the only game out there that has a bad performance.I play dirt in 10x7 cuz the performance in 12x10 is acceptable but it's like low 30's most of the time whereas in 10x7 it's good in the 40's.And whoever says that he upgraded from a CRT to LCD and thought the diference is night and day in picture quality must have a really crappy CRT to begin with.And i am pretty sure that your current monitor is also crappy that's why you cant play in 12x10 due to the refresh rate.When buying a CRT the most important thing to look at is the refresh rates on different resolutions.

Thinker_145

Im really starting to hate this guy, all he talks about are CRT monitors. every thread that i see him post on he manages to slip in crt into the conversation. Get with the times, LCD is the future.

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#21 Thinker_145
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WTF is wrong!!!A guy is worried about buying a LCD due to obvious reasons and is asking for opinion and you are telling me that i am starting a flame war???I am just giving him my thoughts on this and am trying to help him.And i didnt even say that LCD's suck or something.I dont know why people get offended by this.You like LCD's fine,i like CRT's and have every right to express my opinion to anybody who makes a thread regarding monitors.
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#22 onuruca
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my Q remains;

i tried a few games with 1280x1024 res. and my fps was between 45-50 at CoD 4,Stranglehold,K&l so it means like there is a 10 fps decrease. if i buy a 19' wide lcd and use the 1440x900 res. fps decrease will be a bit lower than this,right?

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#23 Thinker_145
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my Q remains;

i tried a few games with 1280x1024 res. and my fps was between 45-50 at CoD 4,Stranglehold,K&l so it means like there is a 10 fps decrease. if i buy a 19' wide lcd and use the 1440x900 res. fps decrease will be a bit lower than this,right?

onuruca

Ya maybe a difference of 1-2 fps.

And you do have the 512MB 8800GT right?

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#24 onuruca
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[QUOTE="onuruca"]

my Q remains;

i tried a few games with 1280x1024 res. and my fps was between 45-50 at CoD 4,Stranglehold,K&l so it means like there is a 10 fps decrease. if i buy a 19' wide lcd and use the 1440x900 res. fps decrease will be a bit lower than this,right?

Thinker_145

Ya maybe a difference of 1-2 fps.

And you do have the 512MB 8800GT right?

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#25 onuruca
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yep it's the 512 one.
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#26 Thinker_145
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My advice will still be a 19" CRT.But if you still want to buy a LCD then definitely get the one with 14x9 native.If you are aware of the cons of TN LCD then you will be fine.
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#27 Thinker_145
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If you have the money then a 720p HDTV is the best thing you can get.Should cost around $600.
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#28 waza000
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i did it .. it's almost nothing

i played tf2 at 1024x768 ... maybe was at 60 fps
1680x1050 didn't even drop to 50 ... the average is 55 and a lot in 60

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#29 fivex84
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You will see a drop but I don't think any games will become unplayable or anything.
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#30 onuruca
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another Q, if i oc my 8800 GT (memory clock maybe) will it stop the fps decrease a little bit?

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#31 Thinker_145
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another Q, if i oc my 8800 GT (memory clock maybe) will it stop the fps decrease a little bit?

onuruca

Overclocking a GPU brings mixed results.Sometimes your performance is almost the same as before and sometimes it increases by a significant margin.

But i think you would really be ok with a 14x9 LCD.It's basically the second lowest playable resolution after 10x7.

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#32 SearchMaster
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For my opinion instead of getting 720p HDTV, get 22' widescreen and get another 8800GT for SLI mode in this case you can show off by having SLI :P + Advantage having such screne with aresultion without being worried for the FPS going down.
Anyway as couple guys mentioed, you wont lose that much. You will probably wont have any unplayabe game even Crysis, so with SLI, its like 100% you wont espcially that we are talking about new games which all support SLI with amajor difference between Single GPU and SLI.
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#33 onuruca
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i see but the only think that bugs me is when i tried 1280*1024 res. at a few game some of them were playing between 30-60 fps. (before a stable 60 fps) but cod4 was running at a stable 50fps (before 60)

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#34 Thinker_145
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For my opinion instead of getting 720p HDTV, get 22' widescreen and get another 8800GT for SLI mode in this case you can show off by having SLI :P + Advantage having such screne with aresultion without being worried for the FPS going down.
Anyway as couple guys mentioed, you wont lose that much. You will probably wont have any unplayabe game even Crysis, so with SLI, its like 100% you wont espcially that we are talking about new games which all support SLI with amajor difference between Single GPU and SLI.SearchMaster
Horrible idea.Did you just say 100% performance increase with SLI?:?

Anyways SLI is worthless and totally inefficient.Alot of times you have to wait for new drivers or pathes or hotfixes before you can play your game with SLI support which sucks IMO.

And besides a HDTV destroys a TN LCD.

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#35 Thinker_145
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i see but the only think that bugs me is when i tried 1280*1024 res. at a few game some of them were playing between 30-60 fps. (before a stable 60 fps) but cod4 was running at a stable 50fps (before 60)

onuruca

Dude if you are so worried about it than what is stopping you from buying a 19" CRT?

You wont have any of these issues with that.

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#36 SearchMaster
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[QUOTE="SearchMaster"]For my opinion instead of getting 720p HDTV, get 22' widescreen and get another 8800GT for SLI mode in this case you can show off by having SLI :P + Advantage having such screne with aresultion without being worried for the FPS going down.
Anyway as couple guys mentioed, you wont lose that much. You will probably wont have any unplayabe game even Crysis, so with SLI, its like 100% you wont espcially that we are talking about new games which all support SLI with amajor difference between Single GPU and SLI.Thinker_145

Horrible idea.Did you just say 100% performance increase with SLI?:?

Anyways SLI is worthless and totally inefficient.Alot of times you have to wait for new drivers or pathes or hotfixes before you can play your game with SLI support which sucks IMO.

And besides a HDTV destroys a TN LCD.

First of all read well, i said you wont have 100% unplayable game and it wasnt for performace.
Second of all as high resultion you go, SLI will have better perforamce. like in 1280x1026 you wouldnt see that much but for higher you will see the benifits.
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#37 Thinker_145
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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

[QUOTE="SearchMaster"]For my opinion instead of getting 720p HDTV, get 22' widescreen and get another 8800GT for SLI mode in this case you can show off by having SLI :P + Advantage having such screne with aresultion without being worried for the FPS going down.
Anyway as couple guys mentioed, you wont lose that much. You will probably wont have any unplayabe game even Crysis, so with SLI, its like 100% you wont espcially that we are talking about new games which all support SLI with amajor difference between Single GPU and SLI.SearchMaster

Horrible idea.Did you just say 100% performance increase with SLI?:?

Anyways SLI is worthless and totally inefficient.Alot of times you have to wait for new drivers or pathes or hotfixes before you can play your game with SLI support which sucks IMO.

And besides a HDTV destroys a TN LCD.

First of all read well, i said you wont have 100% unplayable game and it wasnt for performace.
Second of all as high resultion you go, SLI will have better perforamce. like in 1280x1026 you wouldnt see that much but for higher you will see the benifits.

Is playing in a high resolution worth it to begin with.I dont think so but you have the right to your opinion on this.:)

But if TC gets a CRT than he will be able to play most current games in a high resolution and will still be able to play the more demanding games like DIRT and crysis in a lower resolution.Best of both worlds if you ask me.

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#38 X360PS3AMD05
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It's a crime to have that card and run 10*7 :?
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It's a crime to have that card and run 10*7 :?X360PS3AMD05
Possbily yeah, because this card can give you alot alot more if you can break this limitation.
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#40 onuruca
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well that card sucked when i tried on 1280X1024.

It's a crime to have that card and run 10*7 :?X360PS3AMD05

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#41 Thinker_145
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well that card sucked when i tried on 1280X1024.

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]It's a crime to have that card and run 10*7 :?onuruca

Exactly.People just assume that a card is consistent in every game.I dont know why they dont see how quickly hardware especially GPU's become obsolete.I mean crysis is not the only demanding game out there.Dirt is a very demanding game and i am sure there are many other not so popular games like it as well.

But actually these are the only 2 games so far that i had to run in 10x7 on my PC.However playing all of your games in 10x7 with an 8800GT is not right after all cuz you could be playing in a higher res like 12x10 the not so demanding games.

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#42 onuruca
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ok;

cod 4,everythinh max at 1024x768 : 60 FPS

cod 4 everything max at 1280x1024: 50-55 FPS

Kane&Lynch at max 1024x768: 60 FPS

kane&lynch at max 1280x1024 : 60 FPS again

CMR-DiRT at everthing ultra 1024x768: 32-43 fps

CMR-DiRT at everthng ultra 1280x1024: 22-33 fps

Stranglehold-max 10x7 60 fps

stranglehold-max 12-10 60 fps again sometimes drops at 50

so seems likei won't be loosing too much if i go to an 19' lcd wide? :)

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#43 Gog
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If the game is CPU-bound, increasing the resolution won't net a big performance loss. With recent games that rely more on the GPU (cfr Dirt), fps will go down a lot when increasing the res.

Looks like your games are capped at 60 fps (vsync on?) so they could actually perform better - and thus, decrease fps more when you increase the res.

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#44 onuruca
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yes v-sync is on. that's are the fps's that i get while every option is max :D
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#45 X360PS3AMD05
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12*10 is still not high res................:|
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#46 Thinker_145
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12*10 is still not high res................:|X360PS3AMD05
So......:|
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#47 X360PS3AMD05
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Why waste your money on an 8800GT :|
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#48 Thinker_145
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Why waste your money on an 8800GT :|X360PS3AMD05
Yes 8800GT is overkill for that resolution when it cant even max crysis in 8x6.:roll:

And did you not notice his performance in dirt.:|

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#49 Thinker_145
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The 8800GT cant max out gears in 16x12 either.
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#50 Thinker_145
Member since 2007 • 2546 Posts
TC dont let anyone fool you into buying a high res LCD.If you want to play in crazy resolutions(which is not really worth it) go with CRT ONLY.