Why isn't Healthcare and Education free in America?

Hello, i wanted to hear some opinions on why healthcare and education is not free in America. Do you think it should? Why or Why Not?

I live in canada where we have free healthcare and somewhat free eduction. University education is greatly subsidized but not all the way. I personally would like to see it covered by taxes all the way. here we pay $5000 a year for tuition. But in many european countries such as Finland, university is free, med school, law school etc. All covered by taxes for the citizens.

Here is my opinion: I am for free healthcare and free education. When someone gets injured it affects all of society, not just that person. That person cannot work and thus cannot contribute. It is society's responsibility to get that person back on their feet and working again, as its society that benefits from his or her work. The opposite seems quite immoral to me. You can only get your leg fixed if your rich, or you can only get your cancer treated if your rich seems down right evil to me. Keep in mind, my definition of evil is: A lack of empathy. As in you don't care for your fellow human beings. In regards to education it should also be free for two reasons. One an educated person benefits all of society, just not themselves as above. Secondly, it avoids wasted talent. Lets say there is a brilliant young girl who wants to go to medical school but can't affort it. Why should society waste her talent just because she was not born into a wealthy family? This way its the best students of all that get into university, not just the best of the ones who can afford it.

Lets hear your thoughts.

We like it this way.

Because we're under the epidemic fear of anything that smells of socialism, and prefer to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for necessary medical operations and put thousands of people in massive debt for the rest of their lives rather than enforce our right to seek treatment and be healthy.

The reason i like the NHS

If only we had this system in Britain. I hate having the bill for the the hobo who drunk a little too much come straight out of my Taxes.lucky326

Would you prefer either being denied necessary treatment altogether because you don't have ten thousand dollars to pay or being put into a hole of debt so huge that only winning the lottery could pull you out?

The reason i like the NHS

gameofthering

[QUOTE="lucky326"]If only we had this system in Britain. I hate having the bill for the the hobo who drunk a little too much come straight out of my Taxes.-_Rain_-

Would you prefer either being denied necessary treatment altogether because you don't have ten thousand dollars to pay or being put into a hole of debt so huge that only winning the lottery could pull you out?

Education is free until you get to college. Healthcare needs to not be free.

Because politicians love their money.

[QUOTE="lucky326"]If only we had this system in Britain. I hate having the bill for the the hobo who drunk a little too much come straight out of my Taxes.-_Rain_-

Would you prefer either being denied necessary treatment altogether because you don't have ten thousand dollars to pay or being put into a hole of debt so huge that only winning the lottery could pull you out?

Because we're under the epidemic fear of anything that smells of socialism, and prefer to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for necessary medical operations and put thousands of people in massive debt for the rest of their lives rather than enforce our right to seek treatment and be healthy.

-_Rain_-

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

[QUOTE="lucky326"]If only we had this system in Britain. I hate having the bill for the the hobo who drunk a little too much come straight out of my Taxes.lucky326

Would you prefer either being denied necessary treatment altogether because you don't have ten thousand dollars to pay or being put into a hole of debt so huge that only winning the lottery could pull you out?

If you can't get your service, you either die or live a miserable life. People have a right to be healthy if they seek healthcare.

Canadian and British public healthcare are both absolutely terrible. I would never impose such a system on Americans. Lack of resources, poor funding,andeven poorer access to care and technology.

I know far too many docs that have worked in both environments and they will readily admit that the American system is broken, but the other systems are far worse off.

because they want people like me dead.

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

[QUOTE="lucky326"]If only we had this system in Britain. I hate having the bill for the the hobo who drunk a little too much come straight out of my Taxes.Spicy-McHaggis

Would you prefer either being denied necessary treatment altogether because you don't have ten thousand dollars to pay or being put into a hole of debt so huge that only winning the lottery could pull you out?

Who said anything about giving peoples' money to you? You can't pay ten dollars a month so lower-cIass citizens can have access to necessary medicine? There's a line between wanting to make your own money and being a glutton.

[QUOTE="lucky326"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

Would you prefer either being denied necessary treatment altogether because you don't have ten thousand dollars to pay or being put into a hole of debt so huge that only winning the lottery could pull you out?

-_Rain_-

If you can't get your service, you either die or live a miserable life. People have a right to be healthy if they seek healthcare.

No, they don't. People have a right to live their life to the best of their own ability. That right should not be shouldered by other individuals.

Canadian and British public healthcare are both absolutely terrible. I would never impose such a system on Americans. Lack of resources, poor funding,andeven poorer access to care and technology.

I know far too many docs that have worked in both environments and they will readily admit that the American system is broken, but the other systems are far worse off.

drj077

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

[QUOTE="lucky326"]If only we had this system in Britain. I hate having the bill for the the hobo who drunk a little too much come straight out of my Taxes.lucky326

Would you prefer either being denied necessary treatment altogether because you don't have ten thousand dollars to pay or being put into a hole of debt so huge that only winning the lottery could pull you out?

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

Would you prefer either being denied necessary treatment altogether because you don't have ten thousand dollars to pay or being put into a hole of debt so huge that only winning the lottery could pull you out?

-_Rain_-

Who said anything about giving peoples' money to you? You can't pay ten dollars a month so lower-cIass citizens can have access to necessary medicine? There's a line between wanting to make your own money and being a glutton.

Again, health care for lower, middle class citizens should not be free. Healthcare should be income based and a percentage of everyone income should go to the healthcare system. 10% across the board, for instance, would be reasonable. Everyone in America should have to pay including the inner city mom with no husband, 9 kids, and works a prostatute for money.

[QUOTE="lucky326"] Yes, it's a little thing called the running of the economy. If I can't pay then I don't get my service.Famiking

Yeah, free health care should be the norm

Since you are for them.....will you be funding them?

I'd rather we had more affordable insurance than that monster that is socialized medicine. Somehow I find it wrong to make people wait like they do in the UK and Canada for care.

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

[QUOTE="lucky326"] Yes, it's a little thing called the running of the economy. If I can't pay then I don't get my service.drj077

If you can't get your service, you either die or live a miserable life. People have a right to be healthy if they seek healthcare.

No, they don't. People have a right to live their life to the best of their own ability. That right should not be shouldered by other individuals.

If a person is sick and near death, they have a right to live.

If they need medical treatment to live, they have a right to that medical treatment.

If a person is sick or just otherwise living an unhealthy lifestyIe, they have the right to seek medical help. But they cannot do this if the medical help in question is so ridiculously expensive that they can't afford it.

It is the duty of society to protect the lives of its individuals, or else it falls apart.

Godless Communists ruining our country! Yeehaw!!

[QUOTE="lucky326"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

Would you prefer either being denied necessary treatment altogether because you don't have ten thousand dollars to pay or being put into a hole of debt so huge that only winning the lottery could pull you out?

-Sun_Tzu-

Hello, i wanted to hear some opinions on why healthcare and education is not free in America. Do you think it should? Why or Why Not?

I live in canada where we have free healthcare and somewhat free eduction. University education is greatly subsidized but not all the way. I personally would like to see it covered by taxes all the way. here we pay $5000 a year for tuition. But in many european countries such as Finland, university is free, med school, law school etc. All covered by taxes for the citizens.

Here is my opinion: I am for free healthcare and free education. When someone gets injured it affects all of society, not just that person. That person cannot work and thus cannot contribute. It is society's responsibility to get that person back on their feet and working again, as its society that benefits from his or her work. The opposite seems quite immoral to me. You can only get your leg fixed if your rich, or you can only get your cancer treated if your rich seems down right evil to me. Keep in mind, my definition of evil is: A lack of empathy. As in you don't care for your fellow human beings. In regards to education it should also be free for two reasons. One an educated person benefits all of society, just not themselves as above. Secondly, it avoids wasted talent. Lets say there is a brilliant young girl who wants to go to medical school but can't affort it. Why should society waste her talent just because she was not born into a wealthy family? This way its the best students of all that get into university, not just the best of the ones who can afford it.

Lets hear your thoughts.

STAR_Admiral

I hope you are sincere with this Star_Admiral, because this is going to troll real quick!

This is probably the biggest question that USA citizens are asking now (other than what laptop should I buy).

Socializing medicine would be a good thing (maybe) but that involves pretty high taxing. "it only works until everyone else runs out of money"is the argument against it. We understand taxing, but hate having them grow each paycheck. We are a government of taxpayers that are allowed to say where our money goes. And if only our government is calling the shots on where the money goes-well- we often mistrust that kind of thing.

To not socialize medicine is where we are now-no change yet. This is where it gets dicey-what are we supposed to do then?

My idea is to have some kind of price fixing on the medical bills, but the medical people don't want any of that.

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

Would you prefer either being denied necessary treatment altogether because you don't have ten thousand dollars to pay or being put into a hole of debt so huge that only winning the lottery could pull you out?

Who said anything about giving peoples' money to you? You can't pay ten dollars a month so lower-cIass citizens can have access to necessary medicine? There's a line between wanting to make your own money and being a glutton.

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] I'd rather earn my own damn moneydrj077

Who said anything about giving peoples' money to you? You can't pay ten dollars a month so lower-cIass citizens can have access to necessary medicine? There's a line between wanting to make your own money and being a glutton.

Again, health care for lower, middle class citizens should not be free. Healthcare should be income based and a percentage of everyone income should go to the healthcare system. 10% across the board, for instance, would be reasonable. Everyone in America should have to pay including the inner city mom with no husband, 9 kids, and works a prostatute for money.

When somebody talks about "free" healthcare, they typically mean "healthcare that is paid for by taxes rather than entirely out of the pocket of the individual."

[QUOTE="drj077"]

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

If you can't get your service, you either die or live a miserable life. People have a right to be healthy if they seek healthcare.

-_Rain_-

No, they don't. People have a right to live their life to the best of their own ability. That right should not be shouldered by other individuals.

If a person is sick and near death, they have a right to live.

If they need medical treatment to live, they have a right to that medical treatment.

If a person is sick or just otherwise living an unhealthy lifestyIe, they have the right to seek medical help. But they cannot do this if the medical help in question is so ridiculously expensive that they can't afford it.

It is the duty of society to protect the lives of its individuals, or else it falls apart.

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] I'd rather earn my own damn moneySpicy-McHaggis

Who said anything about giving peoples' money to you? You can't pay ten dollars a month so lower-cIass citizens can have access to necessary medicine? There's a line between wanting to make your own money and being a glutton.

Not if the disease you have is debilitating, not if nobody will hire you, not if you only have a certain amount of time before treatment is impossible, not if whatever job you find pays too little, and especially in this economy where getting and keeping a job is a miracle in itself, especially for *gasp* lower-cIass citizens.

[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"]

Hello, i wanted to hear some opinions on why healthcare and education is not free in America. Do you think it should? Why or Why Not?

I live in canada where we have free healthcare and somewhat free eduction. University education is greatly subsidized but not all the way. I personally would like to see it covered by taxes all the way. here we pay $5000 a year for tuition. But in many european countries such as Finland, university is free, med school, law school etc. All covered by taxes for the citizens.

Here is my opinion: I am for free healthcare and free education. When someone gets injured it affects all of society, not just that person. That person cannot work and thus cannot contribute. It is society's responsibility to get that person back on their feet and working again, as its society that benefits from his or her work. The opposite seems quite immoral to me. You can only get your leg fixed if your rich, or you can only get your cancer treated if your rich seems down right evil to me. Keep in mind, my definition of evil is: A lack of empathy. As in you don't care for your fellow human beings. In regards to education it should also be free for two reasons. One an educated person benefits all of society, just not themselves as above. Secondly, it avoids wasted talent. Lets say there is a brilliant young girl who wants to go to medical school but can't affort it. Why should society waste her talent just because she was not born into a wealthy family? This way its the best students of all that get into university, not just the best of the ones who can afford it.

Lets hear your thoughts.

chathuranga

We are now :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

Who said anything about giving peoples' money to you? You can't pay ten dollars a month so lower-cIass citizens can have access to necessary medicine? There's a line between wanting to make your own money and being a glutton.

-_Rain_-

Not if the disease you have is debilitating, not if nobody will hire you, not if you only have a certain amount of time before treatment is impossible, not if whatever job you find pays too little, and especially in this economy where getting and keeping a job is a miracle in itself, especially for *gasp* lower-cIass citizens.

Since you are for them.....will you be funding them?

I'd rather we had more affordable insurance than that monster that is socialized medicine. Somehow I find it wrong to make people wait like they do in the UK and Canada for care.

LJS9502_basic

Healthcare should be free and government provided. And we do have free education up to 12th grade. But College should not be free, it'll devalue the worth of an education.

[QUOTE="drj077"]

Canadian and British public healthcare are both absolutely terrible. I would never impose such a system on Americans. Lack of resources, poor funding,andeven poorer access to care and technology.

I know far too many docs that have worked in both environments and they will readily admit that the American system is broken, but the other systems are far worse off.

Famiking

What part of our country are you referring to?

Where I live, the midwest, the average expectancy for males is 76.3 years and for females it is 80.4 years, which is very similar to both Canada and Britain with our life expectancy for males beating Britain and our expectancy for females only a year shorter. In the U.S., it depends upon what part of the country you are from and your socioeconomic status. In the Midwest, we receive incredibly high quality care, because we really don't have many poor areas other than the really poor areas of the reservations and our access to technology is very, very good with even the smallest of town having CT scanners.

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

[QUOTE="drj077"]

No, they don't. People have a right to live their life to the best of their own ability. That right should not be shouldered by other individuals.

LJS9502_basic

If a person is sick and near death, they have a right to live.

If they need medical treatment to live, they have a right to that medical treatment.

If a person is sick or just otherwise living an unhealthy lifestyIe, they have the right to seek medical help. But they cannot do this if the medical help in question is so ridiculously expensive that they can't afford it.

It is the duty of society to protect the lives of its individuals, or else it falls apart.

The help they get costs thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands, of dollars. Yes, they have the right to treatment. But then they still have to pay, and if they can't (which they rarely can), they're put into a hole of debt that they will literally never get out of, and then when they die their debt is passed on to their heirs, and on and on. This debt also demolishes their credit and affects the rest of their lives, all because they wanted to not be sick in the 21st century.

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] I'd rather earn my own damn moneySpicy-McHaggis

Who said anything about giving peoples' money to you? You can't pay ten dollars a month so lower-cIass citizens can have access to necessary medicine? There's a line between wanting to make your own money and being a glutton.

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

Who said anything about giving peoples' money to you? You can't pay ten dollars a month so lower-cIass citizens can have access to necessary medicine? There's a line between wanting to make your own money and being a glutton.

Not if the disease you have is debilitating, not if nobody will hire you, not if you only have a certain amount of time before treatment is impossible, not if whatever job you find pays too little, and especially in this economy where getting and keeping a job is a miracle in itself, especially for *gasp* lower-cIass citizens.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="lucky326"] Yes, it's a little thing called the running of the economy. If I can't pay then I don't get my service.lucky326

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Since you are for them.....will you be funding them?

I'd rather we had more affordable insurance than that monster that is socialized medicine. Somehow I find it wrong to make people wait like they do in the UK and Canada for care.

-Sun_Tzu-

And since this issue is ALWAYS such a big deal.....I will reiterate what I've stated in others threads on this topic. The biggest group without insurance are young single males that don't want to pay for insurance because they aren't sick. That would be a problem they will face when they are. Not a reason to enact socialized healthcare on the rest of the country that is doing the right thing.

[QUOTE="lucky326"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

Would you prefer either being denied necessary treatment altogether because you don't have ten thousand dollars to pay or being put into a hole of debt so huge that only winning the lottery could pull you out?

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] If I wanted to get healthcare that bad and I came from a poor family, there are many ways to rise up in the ranks and become a hard working money earning man. LJS9502_basic

Not if the disease you have is debilitating, not if nobody will hire you, not if you only have a certain amount of time before treatment is impossible, not if whatever job you find pays too little, and especially in this economy where getting and keeping a job is a miracle in itself, especially for *gasp* lower-cIass citizens.

The "poor" are not the only people struggling with asinine medical bills, and the "poor" are not the only people with rights.

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] If I wanted to get healthcare that bad and I came from a poor family, there are many ways to rise up in the ranks and become a hard working money earning man. Spicy-McHaggis

Not if the disease you have is debilitating, not if nobody will hire you, not if you only have a certain amount of time before treatment is impossible, not if whatever job you find pays too little, and especially in this economy where getting and keeping a job is a miracle in itself, especially for *gasp* lower-cIass citizens.

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

[QUOTE="drj077"]

No, they don't. People have a right to live their life to the best of their own ability. That right should not be shouldered by other individuals.

LJS9502_basic

If a person is sick and near death, they have a right to live.

If they need medical treatment to live, they have a right to that medical treatment.

If a person is sick or just otherwise living an unhealthy lifestyIe, they have the right to seek medical help. But they cannot do this if the medical help in question is so ridiculously expensive that they can't afford it.

It is the duty of society to protect the lives of its individuals, or else it falls apart.

Exactly, everyone ALWAYS has access to care in the U.S. Not only to hospitals often establish charity care, but they often use payment programs, as well. In America, we do payment plans for houses, cars, tvs, etc. I don't see why our well-being shouldn't be payed for as such.

Besides, for many of us, it would be more expensive to institute a national healthcare system than it would to continue to pay insurance companies, because the tax increases will be outrageous.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="lucky326"] Yes, it's a little thing called the running of the economy. If I can't pay then I don't get my service.LJS9502_basic

A society is nothing but a bunch of individuals. Take this flu epidemic for example. A few individuals got sick, then a few more individuals, then a few more, and now. . . . take a look at our economic crisis; a few individuals lost some money, a few individuals lost some stock, and now. . . .a society that does not protect the lives and health of its individuals is destined to fall apart, because that's all a society is: a bunch of individuals.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]

Not if the disease you have is debilitating, not if nobody will hire you, not if you only have a certain amount of time before treatment is impossible, not if whatever job you find pays too little, and especially in this economy where getting and keeping a job is a miracle in itself, especially for *gasp* lower-cIass citizens.

-_Rain_-

The "poor" are not the only people struggling with asinine medical bills, and the "poor" are not the only people with rights.

Second....if they bought insurance they won't have medical bills to that extent. It's called being responsible. Drive a 30K sedan instead of a 60K SUV. Don't buy a PS3 on the first day.