Why has America gained international infamy status?(long read)

I posted a link to a report that explains in detail why America is hated, I see no one read it, cause people still write insane stuff "They hate cause they're jealous that we're free". Read it folks, it's not from some random biased website, it's report from a think tank signed at the end by Paul Wolfowitz, if that isn't enough to convince why America is hated, then I don't know what will.

I posted a link to a report that explains in detail why America is hated, I see no one read it, cause people still write insane stuff "They hate cause they're jealous that we're free". Read it folks, it's not from some random biased website, it's report from a think tank signed at the end by Paul Wolfowitz, if that isn't enough to convince why America is hated, then I don't know what will.

m25105

[QUOTE="m25105"]

I posted a link to a report that explains in detail why America is hated, I see no one read it, cause people still write insane stuff "They hate cause they're jealous that we're free". Read it folks, it's not from some random biased website, it's report from a think tank signed at the end by Paul Wolfowitz, if that isn't enough to convince why America is hated, then I don't know what will.

chris_yz80

idunno the libyans seem to like the US:Pmrbojangles25

The hate we get usually comes from one or more of the following:

1. Jealousy

2. The idea we're always in everyone's business

3. Arrogance that is seen from some Americans

4. Countries who think we want to go to war with everybody (kind of a continuation of number 2)

5. Propaganda

1. Jealousy comes from some countries that aren't as well off as us. Obviously, you have great countries that have no reason to be jealous, such as the UK, Canada, Australia, or any other first world country. On the other hand, you have places like Pakistan, Iran, and others that aren't in the same league in terms of living conditions.

2. You're pretty much damned if you do and damned if you don't when it comes to this one. People are complaining that we're helping attack Libya and a few are even trying to say we're only doing it to get a share of their oil. On the other hand, if we don't help we're called selfish and uncaring.

3. Some Americans act like the US is the only country that matters and everybody else is garbage. This is not the right way to look at things.

4. When we fought in Iraq most people automatically said we were only going in there for oil. They say that every time we have a conflict it's because we're after something.

5. You should hear some of the stuff that is said in North Korea about us. That's only one example.

No country is perfect. But America is an easy country to pick on. You even get people in America who knock the country for various reasons. Not much you can do about it, people will have their opinion.

ad1x2

I strongly agree with these 2 points you stated, every time I play a multiplayer game online 9 out of 10 I'd get racist remarks and you won't believe some of the things they say to me and my friends, but yeah usually we just laugh it off because it makes themselves look stupid.

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The hate we get usually comes from one or more of the following:

1. Jealousy

2. The idea we're always in everyone's business

3. Arrogance that is seen from some Americans

4. Countries who think we want to go to war with everybody (kind of a continuation of number 2)

5. Propaganda

1. Jealousy comes from some countries that aren't as well off as us. Obviously, you have great countries that have no reason to be jealous, such as the UK, Canada, Australia, or any other first world country. On the other hand, you have places like Pakistan, Iran, and others that aren't in the same league in terms of living conditions.

2. You're pretty much damned if you do and damned if you don't when it comes to this one. People are complaining that we're helping attack Libya and a few are even trying to say we're only doing it to get a share of their oil. On the other hand, if we don't help we're called selfish and uncaring.

3. Some Americans act like the US is the only country that matters and everybody else is garbage. This is not the right way to look at things.

4. When we fought in Iraq most people automatically said we were only going in there for oil. They say that every time we have a conflict it's because we're after something.

5. You should hear some of the stuff that is said in North Korea about us. That's only one example.

No country is perfect. But America is an easy country to pick on. You even get people in America who knock the country for various reasons. Not much you can do about it, people will have their opinion.

glenn2709

I strongly agree with these 2 points you stated, every time I play a multiplayer game online 9 out of 10 I'd get racist remarks and you won't believe some of the things they say to me and my friends, but yeah usually we just laugh it off because it makes themselves look stupid.

I find it hilarious that people think jealousy factor into this.. This has to be the most lol inducing reason out there.. sSubZerOo

It's there, whether you want to believe it or not.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I find it hilarious that people think jealousy factor into this.. This has to be the most lol inducing reason out there.. AFBrat77

It's there, whether you want to believe it or not.

But for a lot of other countries, like Britain, Canada, Australia, France, New Zealand, the Netherlands, it sort of points to reasons outside jealously being responsible.

Jealously is, at most, an amplifier.

Well, for some countries it is. Undoubtedly many disadvantaged citizens around the world who have neither the freedom nor the quality of life of Americans are naturally jealous of their people. But for a lot of other countries, like Britain, Canada, Australia, France, New Zealand, the Netherlands, it sort of points to reasons outside jealously being responsible.Danm_999

in regards to the OP...I think yuou have some good points...I would also add that it's just easier to sit and pick at the country doing things when you don't have to be the one getting your hands dirty....ie the classic Monday Morning Quarterbacking.....Omni-Slash

it just comes with the territory of being the most powerful nation. spain was hated when it had a world monopoly and britain is still hated for it

gamedude2020

Exactly, no one else likes the country that is the most powerful and influential. It's just the position the U.S. is in, when another country takes the mantle someday, they will feel the same kind of hate.

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

it just comes with the territory of being the most powerful nation. spain was hated when it had a world monopoly and britain is still hated for it

AFBrat77

Exactly, no one else likes the country that is the most powerful and influential. It's just the position the U.S. is in, when another country takes the mantle someday, they will feel the same kind of hate.

I'm just not really sure what other Western nations have to be jealous of vis a vis the United States. Most live as freely and as well (some, like Norway, Australia and New Zealand live better according to UN HDI rankings), so reasons for infamy must lie outside that. It's not like other Western cultures don't have their own examples of notorious excess and decadence. Danm_999

Half the worlds population haven't even made a phone call, let alone watched T.V. how would they know how life in the U.S. is? This nonsense that America is hated cause it's a free nation is mind blowing. If freedom was hated the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark would be the first countries to be bombed.

The U.S.A is hated cause of hypocrisy. America tells the world that they should be free and democratic, yet they support the dictators (sometimes even help install them). Since no one is going to read the report I linked I'll just copy paste the parts that's relevant.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU READ THE REPORT. Start at page 19 (Arabic numbers) to skip the legal stuff).

2.3 What is the Problem? Who Are We Dealing With?
The information campaign — or as some still would have it, "the war of ideas," or the
struggle for "hearts and minds" — is important to every war effort. In this war it is an
essential objective, because the larger goals of U.S. strategy depend on separating the

vast majority of non-violent Muslims from the radical-militant Islamist-Jihadists. But
American efforts have not only failed in this respect: they may also have achieved the
opposite of what they intended.

American direct intervention in the Muslim World has paradoxically elevated the stature
of and support for radical Islamists, while diminishing support for the United States to
single-digits in some Arab societies.

• Muslims do not "hate our freedom," but rather, they hate our policies. The
overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in
favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the longstanding, even increasing
support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi
Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and the Gulf states.

• Thus when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic
societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy. Moreover, saying that
"freedom is the future of the Middle East" is seen as patronizing, suggesting that
Arabs are like the enslaved peoples of the old Communist World — but Muslims do
not feel this way: they feel oppressed, but not enslaved.

• Furthermore, in the eyes of Muslims, American occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq
has not led to democracy there, but only more chaos and suffering. U.S. actions
appear in contrast to be motivated by ulterior motives, and deliberately controlled in
order to best serve American national interests at the expense of truly Muslim selfdetermination.

• Therefore, the dramatic narrative since 9/11 has essentially borne out the entire
radical Islamist bill of particulars. American actions and the flow of events have
elevated the authority of the Jihadi insurgents and tended to ratify their legitimacy
among Muslims. Fighting groups portray themselves as the true defenders of an
Ummah (the entire Muslim community) invaded and under attack — to broad public
support.

• What was a marginal network is now an Ummah-wide movement of fighting groups.
Not only has there been a proliferation of "terrorist" groups: the unifying context of a
shared cause creates a sense of affiliation across the many cultural and sectarian
boundaries that divide Islam.

• Finally, Muslims see Americans as strangely narcissistic — namely, that the war is all
about us. As the Muslims see it, everything about the war is — for Americans —
really no more than an extension of American domestic politics and its great game.
This perception is of course necessarily heightened by election-year atmospherics, but
nonetheless sustains their impression that when Americans talk to Muslims they are
really just talking to themselves.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] I'm just not really sure what other Western nations have to be jealous of vis a vis the United States. Most live as freely and as well (some, like Norway, Australia and New Zealand live better according to UN HDI rankings), so reasons for infamy must lie outside that. It's not like other Western cultures don't have their own examples of notorious excess and decadence. Omni-Slash

Yeah so that attitude isn't really stemming from jealously then, but more from ire, or dissaproval, or a perception that the US is reckless. These perceptions aren't necessarily true however, but I don't really see, say Britain or Australia, disapproving of the USA's foreign policy as stemming from a jealously.Danm_999

As for the west, they don't hate America, they just find Americans to be controlled stupid. Since they keep electing politicians that screw them over and generally don't know what's going on in the world. However most Europeans fell for the the Obama hype too, especially in Germany.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki, seriously, hear people's account of the incident.

[QUOTE="curono"]***post***mrbojangles25

for starters, most of those are theories.

second, so what if they have oil? There is no shame in a mutually beneficial relationship; one country protects another's population from a cruel dictator, while in exchange perhaps getting a good deal on oil in the future. {Do you realize how terrible this is? It means going to war to get a good deal for oil. It is even worst thinking that you are ok with violating a nation's sovereignty and killing people for a "mutually beneficial relation". I dont know if you realize this, but it is the equivalent of an empire killing its way to domination.} Nobody goes to war simply for the good of it, there are always additional motives.

Third, I find it funny America is singled out in this conflict when A.) people were crying for Western help not more than a month ago "Oh, God, won't someone help the civilians", Of course not. American media may say that, but it is a fallacy. I can't imagine a population saying "We need americans to come and bomb this place around". About europe I wont talk since they are not the issue being discussed. and B.) Europe, specifically France, initiated outside assistance in Libya. The "World" literallyasked for the the US's help, and we were even hesitant to give it, partly because we already know how the world views our "meddling" in that, errrmmmm, screwed up part of the world.

We stayed out of Egypt. They have oil too, you know, but it was a relatively peaceful revolutionREALLY?? It was"Relatively peaceful??" Of course not. It was a violent one. I don't know why US stayed out of it, but let me assure you it is not as if we should praise a country for not meddling when they have no business there. , so no military involvement was needed. Again, sort of funny how no one mentions that similar scenario. Maybe, just maybe, do you think the US actually cares about an oppressive regime killing its own people (in addition to other things, of course) versus a peaceful revolution.

You claim the US is becoming an enemy of the entire globe when in truth we are its best friend.So taking military actions in libya, afhganistan, Iran, Irak Kuwait, Laos, Cambodya, Panama and vietnam and many other places makes us your friend? I'm sorry for my ignorance, but generally sending troops to attack a place TENDS to cause some kind of resentment and creates "enemies" The aid we send to all parts of the world eclipses the combined aid the rest of the world sends out by a huge amount. Our contributions to Japan, for example, in money, aid, and work hours is incredible. Keep in mind that we do this during one of the worst economic times in our history, when unemplyoment is around 10% and our debt is incredible.

Declining education? I beg to differ; people still flock to the US for their college degrees, and our universities are among the best in the world. K-12 is debatable in terms of quality, and it varies way too much to give an accurate idea of what is offered, but college/university-level education is the best there is. And all I can do is "lol" at fascism.Most people may not know where to pin point in the world map Lybia and STILL they think that it should be attacked. If you support attacking some place which you dont even know... well, hope you get where I am going.

Iran "is next?" Last time I checked they also had a brief revolution a few months ago, and we kept out of it. Iran is one of the more progressive Muslim countries in the world; while their leader is a bit crazy, the people are good, and we know this. We still dont know what will happen next.... We had an opportunity to get involved and we stayed out.

Israel might think that, but the US is not a theocracy. We do not believe in a "promised land" despite what a few politicians might say. "Promised land" is what Jewish and Muslim theocracies babble about, fight over, and kill over...the US will do a lot of babbling, fighting, and killing, but never over stupid religious prophecies.

Worrisome? Only if youre the leader of a country and a jerk. People should worry that a country thinks it has the divine right to send troops wherever it thinks it can. It should worry people that a country around the world can attack another that has nothing to do with it in the first place. It is really creepy stuff!

A number of reasons;

1) It's 'cool' amongst the youth of the other developed nations, particularly in Europe, to hate America. I can't begin to tell you the amount of xeonobphobic remarks I heard from kids my age (and several years older) during my five years in England.

2) There's a misconception that America, and its citizens, aren't bound by any rules and can do whatever they want, whenever they want. This has brought forth the notion that Americans are wild, out of control hooligans.

3) Tying in to the above reason, many people (including some users on this board) are singling out America as the sole, or at least primary, cause of any death and misery on the planet. Look at the Libyan debacle. America's involvement was miniscule in comparison to that of France and the UK, and still many people started trashing America for 'starting another war over oil and killing innocents'.

4) America is a nation of excess. Complete, blatant excess. It is a nation that wastes food, energy, money, and other resources that most countries on the globe are rather lacking it. Naturally, this creates bitterness amongst said nations.

A number of reasons;

1) It's 'cool' amongst the youth of the other developed nations, particularly in Europe, to hate America. I can't begin to tell you the amount of xeonobphobic remarks I heard from kids my age (and several years older) during my five years in England.

2) There's a misconception that America, and its citizens, aren't bound by any rules and can do whatever they want, whenever they wants. This has brought forth the notion that Americans are wild, out of control hooligans.

3) Tying in to the above reason, many people (including some users on this board) are singling out America as the sole, or at least primary, reason for any death and misery on the planet. Look at the Libyan debacle. America's involvement was miniscule in comparison to that of France and the UK, and still many people started trashing America for 'starting another war over oil and killing innocents'.

4) America is a nation of excess. Complete, blatant excess. It is a nation that wastes food, energy, money, and other resources that most countries on the globe are rather lacking it. Naturally, this creates bitterness amongst said nations.

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

it just comes with the territory of being the most powerful nation. spain was hated when it had a world monopoly and britain is still hated for it

AFBrat77

Exactly, no one else likes the country that is the most powerful and influential. It's just the position the U.S. is in, when another country takes the mantle someday, they will feel the same kind of hate.

Influential and powerful necessarily imply that they can enforce other countries and that the dominant country will subdue BY FORCE whoever they wantcurono

This is tying in with my second and third point. I'm pretty sure America isn't the most powerful and influential nation on the planet because everyone is afraid the USA is going to wipe them off the face of the earth.

Look: dominance and being N1 require putting down whoever wants to be on par with you.curono

No.

Seriously, the whole "America is a big bully that oppresses the globe so it can stay at No. 1" spiel that I see on this board is borderline xenophobic.

Half the worlds population haven't even made a phone call, let alone watched T.V. how would they know how life in the U.S. is? This nonsense that America is hated cause it's a free nation is mind blowing. If freedom was hated the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark would be the first countries to be bombed.

The U.S.A is hated cause of hypocrisy. America tells the world that they should be free and democratic, yet they support the dictators (sometimes even help install them). Since no one is going to read the report I linked I'll just copy paste the parts that's relevant.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU READ THE REPORT. Start at page 19 (Arabic numbers) to skip the legal stuff).

2.3 What is the Problem? Who Are We Dealing With?
The information campaign - or as some still would have it, "the war of ideas," or the
struggle for "hearts and minds" - is important to every war effort. In this war it is an
essential objective, because the larger goals of U.S. strategy depend on separating the

vast majority of non-violent Muslims from the radical-militant Islamist-Jihadists. But
American efforts have not only failed in this respect: they may also have achieved the
opposite of what they intended.

American direct intervention in the Muslim World has paradoxically elevated the stature
of and support for radical Islamists, while diminishing support for the United States to
single-digits in some Arab societies.

• Muslims do not "hate our freedom," but rather, they hate our policies. The
overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in
favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the longstanding, even increasing
support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi
Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and the Gulf states.

• Thus when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic
societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy. Moreover, saying that
"freedom is the future of the Middle East" is seen as patronizing, suggesting that
Arabs are like the enslaved peoples of the old Communist World - but Muslims do
not feel this way: they feel oppressed, but not enslaved.

• Furthermore, in the eyes of Muslims, American occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq
has not led to democracy there, but only more chaos and suffering. U.S. actions
appear in contrast to be motivated by ulterior motives, and deliberately controlled in
order to best serve American national interests at the expense of truly Muslim selfdetermination.

• Therefore, the dramatic narrative since 9/11 has essentially borne out the entire
radical Islamist bill of particulars. American actions and the flow of events have
elevated the authority of the Jihadi insurgents and tended to ratify their legitimacy
among Muslims. Fighting groups portray themselves as the true defenders of an
Ummah (the entire Muslim community) invaded and under attack - to broad public
support.

• What was a marginal network is now an Ummah-wide movement of fighting groups.
Not only has there been a proliferation of "terrorist" groups: the unifying context of a
shared cause creates a sense of affiliation across the many cultural and sectarian
boundaries that divide Islam.

• Finally, Muslims see Americans as strangely narcissistic - namely, that the war is all
about us. As the Muslims see it, everything about the war is - for Americans -
really no more than an extension of American domestic politics and its great game.
This perception is of course necessarily heightened by election-year atmospherics, but
nonetheless sustains their impression that when Americans talk to Muslims they are
really just talking to themselves.

m25105

I agree, for many americans it is very hard to understand that their foreign policies suck and people criticize them not because they are jealous but because what they do internationally suck. I would rather have a nation that does all that and it's straightforward with it "We are going to invade this country because primarily is beneficial to us, afterwards, if innocent people are helped, good but our primary goal is not that". That's why we need more Wikileaks!! but we also need better communicators at transmiting these kinds of truth.

America is like the rich arrogant guy who lives on your road and always has to tell you how to do things and how great he is. You don't really hate him, he's just really annoying.

[QUOTE="curono"] Look: dominance and being N1 require putting down whoever wants to be on par with you.Verge_6

No.

Seriously, the whole "America is a big bully that oppresses the globe so it can stay at No. 1" spiel that I see on this board is borderline xenophobic.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="curono"] Look: dominance and being N1 require putting down whoever wants to be on par with you.curono

No.

Seriously, the whole "America is a big bully that oppresses the globe so it can stay at No. 1" spiel that I see on this board is borderline xenophobic.

[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

No.

Seriously, the whole "America is a big bully that oppresses the globe so it can stay at No. 1" spiel that I see on this board is borderline xenophobic.

Verge_6

Not any nation, I don't see Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Costa Rica or even Japan wanting to be at the top.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="curono"] Yes IT HAPPENS. What you are saying is the equivalent of. "You know, we are N1 economy and power in the world, but if someone tries to take our spot we will gladly allow it".kuraimen

Not any nation, I don't see Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Costa Rica or even Japan wanting to be at the top.

Half the worlds population haven't even made a phone call, let alone watched T.V. how would they know how life in the U.S. is? This nonsense that America is hated cause it's a free nation is mind blowing. If freedom was hated the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark would be the first countries to be bombed.

The U.S.A is hated cause of hypocrisy. America tells the world that they should be free and democratic, yet they support the dictators (sometimes even help install them). Since no one is going to read the report I linked I'll just copy paste the parts that's relevant.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU READ THE REPORT. Start at page 19 (Arabic numbers) to skip the legal stuff).

2.3 What is the Problem? Who Are We Dealing With?
The information campaign - or as some still would have it, "the war of ideas," or the
struggle for "hearts and minds" - is important to every war effort. In this war it is an
essential objective, because the larger goals of U.S. strategy depend on separating the

vast majority of non-violent Muslims from the radical-militant Islamist-Jihadists. But
American efforts have not only failed in this respect: they may also have achieved the
opposite of what they intended.

American direct intervention in the Muslim World has paradoxically elevated the stature
of and support for radical Islamists, while diminishing support for the United States to
single-digits in some Arab societies.

• Muslims do not "hate our freedom," but rather, they hate our policies. The
overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in
favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the longstanding, even increasing
support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi
Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and the Gulf states.

• Thus when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic
societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy. Moreover, saying that
"freedom is the future of the Middle East" is seen as patronizing, suggesting that
Arabs are like the enslaved peoples of the old Communist World - but Muslims do
not feel this way: they feel oppressed, but not enslaved.

• Furthermore, in the eyes of Muslims, American occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq
has not led to democracy there, but only more chaos and suffering. U.S. actions
appear in contrast to be motivated by ulterior motives, and deliberately controlled in
order to best serve American national interests at the expense of truly Muslim selfdetermination.

• Therefore, the dramatic narrative since 9/11 has essentially borne out the entire
radical Islamist bill of particulars. American actions and the flow of events have
elevated the authority of the Jihadi insurgents and tended to ratify their legitimacy
among Muslims. Fighting groups portray themselves as the true defenders of an
Ummah (the entire Muslim community) invaded and under attack - to broad public
support.

• What was a marginal network is now an Ummah-wide movement of fighting groups.
Not only has there been a proliferation of "terrorist" groups: the unifying context of a
shared cause creates a sense of affiliation across the many cultural and sectarian
boundaries that divide Islam.

• Finally, Muslims see Americans as strangely narcissistic - namely, that the war is all
about us. As the Muslims see it, everything about the war is - for Americans -
really no more than an extension of American domestic politics and its great game.
This perception is of course necessarily heightened by election-year atmospherics, but
nonetheless sustains their impression that when Americans talk to Muslims they are
really just talking to themselves.

m25105

As for the west, they don't hate America, they just find Americans to be controlled stupid. Since they keep electing politicians that screw them over and generally don't know what's going on in the world. However most Europeans fell for the the Obama hype too, especially in Germany.

m25105

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] No, what I'm saying is that you're knowingly excluding basic international practices and examples. How does saying "America doesn't oppress anyone who wants to advance in the world" equate to "America would gladly lower itself because another nation wants to"? China disproves your statement, as its clearly trying to become the world's next superpower, and guess what America is doing? It's not oppressing it militarily, politically, or economically. Rather, the USA is willingly STRENGTHENING its position. Yes, American wants to stay in position of dominance. Guess what? ANY nation would want to stay at the top. Verge_6

Not any nation, I don't see Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Costa Rica or even Japan wanting to be at the top.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Not any nation, I don't see Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Costa Rica or even Japan wanting to be at the top.

kuraimen

In the USA, we don't WANT a lot of social services.

their policies don't indicate they want to be at the top.kuraimen

I think it is because there are alot of ignorant americans that shout stuff like:

''WE WON WW2 YES!!!!''

or

''USA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD''

wich is just... so stupid. Imagine a guy coming to work everyday shouting that hes the best one there and that all the others depend on him. You would kill him within a week. I have nothing against the US (I like the place) but ppl there should travel more.

[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

No.

Seriously, the whole "America is a big bully that oppresses the globe so it can stay at No. 1" spiel that I see on this board is borderline xenophobic.

Verge_6

Ok. Let's take it to a more basic level, boy a and play a game: Try to guess of who am I talking about: Ancient Rome (empire) or Current US

1.Is extremely active militarily.

2. Has bases outside its territory to ensure his position as an imperial Leader

3. Tends to impose its currency, language and culture.

4. Its people think that they are doing a favor by imposing its political system and culture.

5. After military actions over a territory followed a commercial relation, which was clearly beneficial to the Imerial-like group.

6. Imposes its market and market conditions which are beneficial to the "empire-like group". Either by consuming natural resources cheap, or using in a "pawn-like" way other populations.

7. Tends to see foreign populations as barbaric.

uess who am I talking about?

guess who am I talking about?

curono

[QUOTE="curono"]guess who am I talking about?

Verge_6

[QUOTE="m25105"]

As for the west, they don't hate America, they just find Americans to be controlled stupid. Since they keep electing politicians that screw them over and generally don't know what's going on in the world. However most Europeans fell for the the Obama hype too, especially in Germany.

BMD004

Which is why I wrote at the end "Most Europeans fell for the Obama hype too".

[ Will you admit now that I'm right?curono