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#1 slowpokebro
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Which matters to you the most: the economy or social issues like gay rights/marriage, social security, public education, etc? Is your vote determined by either one of these things?
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#2 ScorpionTroll
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Economy. Gays cant get married if they cant even afford a marriage licence.

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#3 l4dak47
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They all matter to me. I'm not an idiot that thinks Congress can't focus on both economic and social issues.
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#4 worlock77
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I think they're pretty much equally important.

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#5 Pirate700
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Economy and it's not even close.

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#6 pero2008
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Economy and jobs

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#7 slowpokebro
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They all matter to me. I'm not an idiot that thinks Congress can't focus on both economic and social issues. l4dak47
The problem I have is that there are people out there who consider social issues unworthy of discussion (mostly cons/reps). Both are important, but I think fixing the social issues is better because the well-being of people in a nation is greatly affected by how they are treated during their lives.
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#8 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Both. Stupid question.

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#9 MrPraline
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Economy. Though if I lived in USA, where -in f*cking 2012- things like euthanasia, abortion and gay rights are still somehow "controversial" subjects, social issues would be more important.
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"]They all matter to me. I'm not an idiot that thinks Congress can't focus on both economic and social issues. slowpokebro
The problem I have is that there are people out there who consider social issues unworthy of discussion (mostly cons/reps). Both are important, but I think fixing the social issues is better because the well-being of people in a nation is greatly affected by how they are treated during their lives.

Oh, I know. They're idiots. Not to mention that economic and social issues are often intertwined.
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#11 Zeviander
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Economical issues. But with the way religious nutjobs are threatening social values these days (even in Canada), that is becoming a bigger problem.
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#13 CreasianDevaili
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Do we base our answer on our preferred imagination or based on which could actually get fixed faster, and thus, comes first?
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#14 Wasdie  Moderator
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The economy for me, which sucks becuase every polician's views on the economy in this world are terrible.

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#15 CHOASXIII
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Economy

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#16 famicommander
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I don't think the issues can even be separated. My stance on both matters is the same: minimize government interference and influence, and abolish it wherever possible. The government has no right to tell people whom they can or cannot associate with or what they can or cannot do on voluntary, non-violent terms. That applies to issues such as gay marriage, drug laws, the economy, foreign policy, etc. The only legitimate function of government is to protect citizens from force or fraud. It is not for the government to provide people with jobs, education, health care, or anything else. It is not for the government to protect people from themselves or dictate to them what the best way is for them to live. It is for the government to attempt to ensure that people can be free to interact and exchange to obtain these things themselves without the threat of force or fraud.
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#17 slowpokebro
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Both. Stupid question.

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I don't think it's a stupid question. Some people are voting based solely on Obama's less than stellar handling of the economy even though he is clearly on the better side when it comes to changing and rebuilding social issues. People say Mitt's business experience will help fix our economy so they will vote for him. But, then they forget he and his platform are against abortions, against same-sex marriage, cutting aid for the middle and poor class, cutting taxes for the rich when that has never helped, and against women's health choices. Reps are losing the woman and youth vote because of this. Surely this means most people care about the social issues more than the economy. But maybe the economy isn't even as bad as people are saying...hmmmm.
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#18 slowpokebro
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Both. Stupid question.

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I don't think it's a stupid question. Some people are voting based solely on Obama's less than stellar handling of the economy even though he is clearly on the better side when it comes to changing and rebuilding social issues. People say Mitt's business experience will help fix our economy so they will vote for him. But, then they forget he and his platform are against abortions, against same-sex marriage, cutting aid for the middle and poor class, cutting taxes for the rich when that has never helped, and against women's health choices. Reps are losing the woman and youth vote because of this. Surely this means most people care about the social issues more than the economy. But maybe the economy isn't even as bad as people are saying...hmmmm.
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#19 slowpokebro
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So to the people saying the economy... Are you voting for Romney? Obama has a bad record with the economy so why does he get a second chance? Romney is a business man. Sure some of his platforms ideas are ridiculous, but he could supposedly fix the economy. The problem is that as president, Romney could push his backwards belief system and put the US back in time mentally. I can't vote for someone like that. :?
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So to the people saying the economy... Are you voting for Romney? Obama has a bad record with the economy so why does he get a second chance? Romney is a business man. Sure some of his platforms ideas are ridiculous, but he could supposedly fix the economy. The problem is that as president, Romney could push his backwards belief system and put the US back in time mentally. I can't vote for someone like that. :?slowpokebro
I think some who say economy might say it because on most social issues the absolutes on either end are a minority. The majority of people on the social issues are the "I dont give a **** either way" crowd. But when that crowd is unhappy they obviously want to be happy again. If the economy is bad it effects almost everyone. If you want gay marriage to happen then the majority of the nation needs to not be pissy and you will see support for it shoot back up. Fix the economy, make people happy, they don't care cause they are all high and hippy, and opposition to equality loses strength.
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#21 Ace6301
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Economy I guess. Prior to Ryan being a factor in the race I would say social issues since both Obama and Romney have pretty much the same economic stances. Ryan's budget though is absolute crap and should be kept as far away from any economy as possible. Financial responsibility my ass. Here there's some real difference between the parties both socially and economically so I tend to go by both equally.
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#22 ScorpionTroll
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So to the people saying the economy... Are you voting for Romney? Obama has a bad record with the economy so why does he get a second chance? Romney is a business man. Sure some of his platforms ideas are ridiculous, but he could supposedly fix the economy. The problem is that as president, Romney could push his backwards belief system and put the US back in time mentally. I can't vote for someone like that. :?slowpokebro
Despite what Romney says during his campaign, socially he's pretty moderate.

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#23 l4dak47
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[QUOTE="slowpokebro"]So to the people saying the economy... Are you voting for Romney? Obama has a bad record with the economy so why does he get a second chance? Romney is a business man. Sure some of his platforms ideas are ridiculous, but he could supposedly fix the economy. The problem is that as president, Romney could push his backwards belief system and put the US back in time mentally. I can't vote for someone like that. :?ScorpionTroll

Despite what Romney says during his campaign, socially he's pretty moderate.

Eh...................
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#24 jun_aka_pekto
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Economy first and foremost. I didn't vote for Obama last time. I did give him the benefit of the doubt during the last few years (like I did with Clinton, who I voted for on his reelection bid). So far, the best I can say is if there ever was a recovery, it was a jobless recovery. I don't think Obama got the job done. So, it's time for someone else to give it a shot.

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#25 deactivated-6016f2513d412
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Both are important, of course. There are also some important issues which have roots in both economical and social problems...like poverty, for example. Social issues and the economy can often tie in together with a lot of significant problems that a country may face.

However, I think I'm personally more inclined to feel passion for social issues, especially since I highly disagree with the way a lot of social issues have been handled in this country (USA) and I dislike the sad, decrepit state of some of our institutions.

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#26 slowpokebro
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[QUOTE="slowpokebro"]So to the people saying the economy... Are you voting for Romney? Obama has a bad record with the economy so why does he get a second chance? Romney is a business man. Sure some of his platforms ideas are ridiculous, but he could supposedly fix the economy. The problem is that as president, Romney could push his backwards belief system and put the US back in time mentally. I can't vote for someone like that. :?ScorpionTroll

Despite what Romney says during his campaign, socially he's pretty moderate.

I used to not really mind the idea of him being president, but in the end it does matter what he says. What he says energizes people... to think the wrong way. The president of the United States shouldn't do that. He would win and then start going back on the things he said.
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#27 juden41
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Economy is so much more important. Social issues are something that the average joe has a greater access to and impact on. If you want to change the social issue, simply change your behavior. Economic issues are more things to do with taxes/red tape that an average person can't get their hands on, which makes it much more crucial to get it right.
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#28 TwoFace-BS
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At the moment,economy. If it wasnt so bad,social issues
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#29 TopTierHustler
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I'm not sure but I am sure paul is the worst candidate from either party.

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#30 branketra
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[QUOTE="slowpokebro"]Which matters to you the most: the economy or social issues like gay rights/marriage, social security, public education, etc? Is your vote determined by either one of these things?

Both are crucial important aspects of society. In my opinion, the social issues of countries are ultimately the most important aspects. They are how someone can tell about a nation's ethics.
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#31 Aquat1cF1sh
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If I had to pick just one, the economy.
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#32 HoolaHoopMan
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I weigh on both equally.
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#33 SolidSnake35
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If you don't have both, you might as well roll over into a ditch somewhere.
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#34 IdioticIcarus
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Both are important, but I think on a personal level, social issues matter more to me.

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#35 SUD123456
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Social security is an economic issue.

Public education is largely an economic issue.

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#36 Audacitron
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Both. Stupid question.

slowpokebro

I don't think it's a stupid question. Some people are voting based solely on Obama's less than stellar handling of the economy even though he is clearly on the better side when it comes to changing and rebuilding social issues. People say Mitt's business experience will help fix our economy so they will vote for him.

Stop buying into the lies. Obama is not to blame for the sorry state of the economy. He inherited a once in a century collapse which is still in the process of unfolding across the globe.

In the long run, Obama's policies will work for the economy.

Romney's policies will work, but only for guys like him.

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#37 GC4ever
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economy
i would like to have a job please...

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Economy first and foremost. I didn't vote for Obama last time. I did give him the benefit of the doubt during the last few years (like I did with Clinton, who I voted for on his reelection bid). So far, the best I can say is if there ever was a recovery, it was a jobless recovery. I don't think Obama got the job done. So, it's time for someone else to give it a shot.

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I don't think you understand how the economy works....one man doesn't have much power compared to international monitary forces that are what are really at work.

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#39 chessmaster1989
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On the whole I care more about economic issues, but in the current political environment where I don't particularly agree with either party on economic issues, I tend to side with Democrats simply because I generally find social conservatism to be disgusting.

Honestly if there were a party that were somewhat economically conservative (not as far as libertarians) and socially liberal, they'd win my vote easily. I keep hoping in vain that that's where one of the major parties will tend to...

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Both, anyone who says economy far and away isn't really thinking straight. If excessive social injustices are happening, what's the point of a good economy?

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#42 mattbbpl
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On the whole I care more about economic issues, but in the current political environment where I don't particularly agree with either party on economic issues, I tend to side with Democrats simply because I generally find social conservatism to be disgusting.

Honestly if there were a party that were somewhat economically conservative (not as far as libertarians) and socially liberal, they'd win my vote easily. I keep hoping in vain that that's where one of the major parties will tend to...

chessmaster1989
What type of economically conservative policies do you have in mind?
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#43 SteveTabernacle
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I won't vote for a party that has as part of it's platform both the oppression of gays, and women. No matter what else it promises, that alone taints everything they do for me. (not that I think the GOP has a good economic plan, they don't)
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#44 Barbariser
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So to the people saying the economy... Are you voting for Romney? Obama has a bad record with the economy so why does he get a second chance? Romney is a business man. Sure some of his platforms ideas are ridiculous, but he could supposedly fix the economy. The problem is that as president, Romney could push his backwards belief system and put the US back in time mentally. I can't vote for someone like that. :?slowpokebro

Running the economy of a country is nothing like running a corporation as a C.E.O., and if you've been paying attention to Bain Capital's track record you'd notice that Romney was either not an active C.E.O. or was a C.E.O. who oversaw the offshoring of thousands of Bain jobs. There is no reason to think that a Romney presidency would be better at improving the economy than President Obama, who has, if not as much as he could have, reduced the unemployment rate and has turned economic contraction into economic growth.

Romney has only put forth pieces of a tax plan which would need to create a ridiculous tax burden on lower-income Americans to create a solvent United States government, and Ryan proposed a budget plan which would increase the deficit by a huge amount and create a ridiculous tax burden on lower-income individuals. Honestly, it doesn't matter if you want a stronger economy or a stronger social framework, either way you'd be best off voting for anyone not Republican.

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#45 PernicioEnigma
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they're both important. Though I consider anything related to gay marriage to be pretty low on the list of important social issues.
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Economy because I will do whatever I want anyway.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

On the whole I care more about economic issues, but in the current political environment where I don't particularly agree with either party on economic issues, I tend to side with Democrats simply because I generally find social conservatism to be disgusting.

Honestly if there were a party that were somewhat economically conservative (not as far as libertarians) and socially liberal, they'd win my vote easily. I keep hoping in vain that that's where one of the major parties will tend to...

mattbbpl

What type of economically conservative policies do you have in mind?

Not all of these are strictly conservative policies and I'm mostly describing in fairly non-specific ways, but...

Reforming of the tax code to a mildly progressive income tax, with no deductions or exemptions. Possible implementation of a national consumption tax. Elimination of corporate tax. Elimination of estate tax. Overhaul of and cuts to social welfare, cuts to military spending, reform of social security (privitization is another interesting issues which I've been considering in some depth of late, and have not yet reached a decision on). These are a few of the main ones at least.

A large part of where I disagree with libertarians is on the Federal Reserve/monetary policy and on Keynesianism.

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#48 SteveTabernacle
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Honestly if there were a party that were somewhat economically conservative (not as far as libertarians) and socially liberal, they'd win my vote easily. I keep hoping in vain that that's where one of the major parties will tend to...chessmaster1989
That would be a great thing, but we shouldn't hold our breath. I weep for the fact that I cannot even consider the Republicans.
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#49 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

On the whole I care more about economic issues, but in the current political environment where I don't particularly agree with either party on economic issues, I tend to side with Democrats simply because I generally find social conservatism to be disgusting.

Honestly if there were a party that were somewhat economically conservative (not as far as libertarians) and socially liberal, they'd win my vote easily. I keep hoping in vain that that's where one of the major parties will tend to...

chessmaster1989

What type of economically conservative policies do you have in mind?

Not all of these are strictly conservative policies and I'm mostly describing in fairly non-specific ways, but...

Reforming of the tax code to a mildly progressive income tax, with no deductions or exemptions. Possible implementation of a national consumption tax. Elimination of corporate tax. Elimination of estate tax. Overhaul of and cuts to social welfare, cuts to military spending, reform of social security (privitization is another interesting issues which I've been considering in some depth of late, and have not yet reached a decision on). These are a few of the main ones at least.

A large part of where I disagree with libertarians is on the Federal Reserve/monetary policy and on Keynesianism.

I can't say I agree with them all, but thanks for elaborating.
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#50 kfjl
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The economy; I'm not a values voter and would prefer that a lot of things that fall under that category be left out of politics/government completely