I've been making a list of everything i want to get at the doctors when I go.
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Does your list involve a certain kind of pump being applied to a certain area of the body?Acemaster27the fist kind?
Yes. and when the government wants to pay for it, they're called socialist. Smart nation we live inIs it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
pengo93
Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
pengo93
Yes, and many many people go bankrupt because of it.
You won't be denied them if you can't pay. And you pay for them no matter where you live in the world - "free health care" is funded by taxes which are paid by people. Unless you don't work or pay taxes (i.e. be a liberal :P), then you're paying for your health care and that of others as well.Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
pengo93
I've been making a list of everything i want to get at the doctors when I go.
Poz_McAids
Um do you not follow the news? Way back when this whole ordeal was actually happening, the Senate removed the public option from the bill before allowing it to pass... All it did was expand medicaid/medicare... So unless you are older than 65 and qualify for social security, or are impoverished/living on welfare... You don't qualify.
No, you pay for insurance. They pay for the surgery. Same as automobile, homeowners, etc insurance.Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
pengo93
I dont think it will work like that.I've been making a list of everything i want to get at the doctors when I go.
Poz_McAids
[QUOTE="pengo93"]You won't be denied them if you can't pay. And you pay for them no matter where you live in the world - "free health care" is funded by taxes which are paid by people. Unless you don't work or pay taxes (i.e. be a liberal :P), then you're paying for your health care and that of others as well. You're not denied the operation, but you drop down on hospitals' priority lists (if it comes down to a choice on their part whether to give you the surgery or someone else who has insurance, tough luck for you), and once you get the operation, you'll be hounded by debt collectors every single day until every cent is paid. When paying taxes for healthcare, you pay significantly less and everyone receives healthcare, rather than just the people with money. You eliminate debt that lasts for generations for an operation you needed to survive and you eliminate hospital politics.Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
sonicare
When paying taxes for healthcare, you pay significantly less and everyone receives healthcare, rather than just the people with money. You eliminate debt that lasts for generations for an operation you needed to survive and you eliminate hospital politics. TheokhothThat makes so much sense to me and as much as the NHS in the UK gets slated I wouldnt want it any other way. I dont understand why so many people are against health care like this.
[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="pengo93"]You won't be denied them if you can't pay. And you pay for them no matter where you live in the world - "free health care" is funded by taxes which are paid by people. Unless you don't work or pay taxes (i.e. be a liberal :P), then you're paying for your health care and that of others as well. You're not denied the operation, but you drop down on hospitals' priority lists (if it comes down to a choice on their part whether to give you the surgery or someone else who has insurance, tough luck for you), and once you get the operation, you'll be hounded by debt collectors every single day until every cent is paid. When paying taxes for healthcare, you pay significantly less and everyone receives healthcare, rather than just the people with money. You eliminate debt that lasts for generations for an operation you needed to survive and you eliminate hospital politics. Buh-buh-buh-but death panels!Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
Theokhoth
Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
You won't be denied them if you can't pay. And you pay for them no matter where you live in the world - "free health care" is funded by taxes which are paid by people. Unless you don't work or pay taxes (i.e. be a liberal :P), then you're paying for your health care and that of others as well. You're not denied the operation, but you drop down on hospitals' priority lists (if it comes down to a choice on their part whether to give you the surgery or someone else who has insurance, tough luck for you), and once you get the operation, you'll be hounded by debt collectors every single day until every cent is paid. When paying taxes for healthcare, you pay significantly less and everyone receives healthcare, rather than just the people with money. You eliminate debt that lasts for generations for an operation you needed to survive and you eliminate hospital politics. That's all conjecture. You don't drop down the list on a hospital's priority list - please show me where that is the case. The only lists they have are for organ transplants where the supply of organs is limited. If you need urgent triple bypass surgery, you get urgent triple bypass surgery. The cost is usually written off by the hospital and passed on to the other paying patients. As far as paying taxes for healthcare, you are comparing other countries systems. Our healthcare system is not nationalized. It is a collecction of independent doctors groups and hospitals. Countries with national health care typically have more centralized care. That is why they can deliver care cheaper.[QUOTE="pengo93"]
Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
Yes, and i would rather not pay for someone elses surgeries.
So you don't have health insurance? If you need surgery, then I assume that you have tens of thousands of dollars saved up to pay for it?[QUOTE="pengo93"]You won't be denied them if you can't pay. And you pay for them no matter where you live in the world - "free health care" is funded by taxes which are paid by people. Unless you don't work or pay taxes (i.e. be a liberal :P), then you're paying for your health care and that of others as well.Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
sonicare
I'd sooner pay 500 bucks a year for universal healthcare for all than pay thousands a year and screw over other people.
The amount of people I know who would be bankrupted by simple surgery is staggering; it is our duty as Americans to help eachother out in these situations, I'd gladly pay a small amount more in taxes to ensure they, and I, are taken care of.
[QUOTE="edinsftw"][QUOTE="pengo93"]
Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
Engrish_Major
Yes, and i would rather not pay for someone elses surgeries.
So you don't have health insurance? If you need surgery, then I assume that you have tens of thousands of dollars saved up to pay for it?Yes, i actually do. Multiple bank accounts too so its covered by FDIC
[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="pengo93"]
Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
You won't be denied them if you can't pay. And you pay for them no matter where you live in the world - "free health care" is funded by taxes which are paid by people. Unless you don't work or pay taxes (i.e. be a liberal :P), then you're paying for your health care and that of others as well.I'd sooner pay 500 bucks a year for universal healthcare for all than pay thousands a year and screw over other people.
The amount of people I know who would be bankrupted by simple surgery is staggering; it is our duty as Americans to help eachother out in these situations, I'd gladly pay a small amount more in taxes to ensure they, and I, are taken care of.
You're assuming that it would be a small amount more in taxes. It's difficult - with our current system - to simply cover more people, without massively increasing the cost. Most people are OK with paying more taxes if they believe they'd be paying less for health care, but that's not the case. The whole system needs to be reformed - we have too many resources and care is too convenient. It would have to be rationed - which is fine, but that would be the only way to control costs. The wait time for an MRI in this country is about 1 day. In most other first world countries, the time can be months depending on need. Cost over convenience. It's just convincing some people that better societal health is more important to them than their own individual needs.[QUOTE="pengo93"]Yes. and when the government wants to pay for it, they're called socialist. Smart nation we live inIs it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
ManifestoJoe
yeah, the nation isn't too smart when people think the money government uses to pay for it is different than money people use to pay for it.
So you don't have health insurance? If you need surgery, then I assume that you have tens of thousands of dollars saved up to pay for it?[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="edinsftw"]
Yes, and i would rather not pay for someone elses surgeries.
edinsftw
Yes, i actually do. Multiple bank accounts too so its covered by FDIC
So you are saying you actually have hundreds of thousands of dollars, just sitting around in banks waiting for you to get sick...
[QUOTE="edinsftw"]
[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] So you don't have health insurance? If you need surgery, then I assume that you have tens of thousands of dollars saved up to pay for it?Guybrush_3
Yes, i actually do. Multiple bank accounts too so its covered by FDIC
So you are saying you actually have hundreds of thousands of dollars, just sitting around in banks waiting for you to get sick...
Not hundreds of thousands, around 250k.
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="sonicare"] You won't be denied them if you can't pay. And you pay for them no matter where you live in the world - "free health care" is funded by taxes which are paid by people. Unless you don't work or pay taxes (i.e. be a liberal :P), then you're paying for your health care and that of others as well. sonicare
I'd sooner pay 500 bucks a year for universal healthcare for all than pay thousands a year and screw over other people.
The amount of people I know who would be bankrupted by simple surgery is staggering; it is our duty as Americans to help eachother out in these situations, I'd gladly pay a small amount more in taxes to ensure they, and I, are taken care of.
You're assuming that it would be a small amount more in taxes. It's difficult - with our current system - to simply cover more people, without massively increasing the cost. Most people are OK with paying more taxes if they believe they'd be paying less for health care, but that's not the case. The whole system needs to be reformed - we have too many resources and care is too convenient. It would have to be rationed - which is fine, but that would be the only way to control costs. The wait time for an MRI in this country is about 1 day. In most other first world countries, the time can be months depending on need. Cost over convenience. It's just convincing some people that better societal health is more important to them than their own individual needs.you cover more people by making more people pay into the system.
[QUOTE="pengo93"]
Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
edinsftw
Yes, and i would rather not pay for someone elses surgeries.
I'd rather not pay for other peoples police but unfortunately I have to.
Not my fault if they live in a bad neighborhood!
[QUOTE="edinsftw"]
[QUOTE="pengo93"]
Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
Pixel-Pirate
Yes, and i would rather not pay for someone elses surgeries.
I'd rather not pay for other peoples police but unfortunately I have to.
Not my fault if they live in a bad neighborhood!
or the roads that I don't drive on, or the schools that I don't go to, or for the firefighters that have never come to my house.
[QUOTE="pengo93"]No, you pay for insurance. They pay for the surgery. Same as automobile, homeowners, etc insurance.Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
FragStains
Thats if you HAVE insurance, and the insurance doesn't cover it all.. Health Insurance is infamous for trying deny numerous surgeries to not covering it or at very least only covering a fraction of it.
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="sonicare"] You won't be denied them if you can't pay. And you pay for them no matter where you live in the world - "free health care" is funded by taxes which are paid by people. Unless you don't work or pay taxes (i.e. be a liberal :P), then you're paying for your health care and that of others as well. sonicare
I'd sooner pay 500 bucks a year for universal healthcare for all than pay thousands a year and screw over other people.
The amount of people I know who would be bankrupted by simple surgery is staggering; it is our duty as Americans to help eachother out in these situations, I'd gladly pay a small amount more in taxes to ensure they, and I, are taken care of.
You're assuming that it would be a small amount more in taxes. It's difficult - with our current system - to simply cover more people, without massively increasing the cost. Most people are OK with paying more taxes if they believe they'd be paying less for health care, but that's not the case. The whole system needs to be reformed - we have too many resources and care is too convenient. It would have to be rationed - which is fine, but that would be the only way to control costs. The wait time for an MRI in this country is about 1 day. In most other first world countries, the time can be months depending on need. Cost over convenience. It's just convincing some people that better societal health is more important to them than their own individual needs. Someone who understands why universal health care is a joke. We get prompt and top of the line health care in this country, but, like all things, it costs money. If I don't pay for it, why should I get it? If I work and you don't (say, you are lazy and don't care to find a job), why should you and your 12 kids get treated the same as me and my kids when I actually PAY to go see a doctor. In other words, I pay more than you, I expect better service.[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]You're assuming that it would be a small amount more in taxes. It's difficult - with our current system - to simply cover more people, without massively increasing the cost. Most people are OK with paying more taxes if they believe they'd be paying less for health care, but that's not the case. The whole system needs to be reformed - we have too many resources and care is too convenient. It would have to be rationed - which is fine, but that would be the only way to control costs. The wait time for an MRI in this country is about 1 day. In most other first world countries, the time can be months depending on need. Cost over convenience. It's just convincing some people that better societal health is more important to them than their own individual needs. Someone who understands why universal health care is a joke. We get prompt and top of the line health care in this country, but, like all things, it costs money. If I don't pay for it, why should I get it? If I work and you don't (say, you are lazy and don't care to find a job), why should you and your 12 kids get treated the same as me and my kids when I actually PAY to go see a doctor. In other words, I pay more than you, I expect better service.I'd sooner pay 500 bucks a year for universal healthcare for all than pay thousands a year and screw over other people.
The amount of people I know who would be bankrupted by simple surgery is staggering; it is our duty as Americans to help eachother out in these situations, I'd gladly pay a small amount more in taxes to ensure they, and I, are taken care of.
seabiscuit8686
A) The most effective care is preventive care.. Our current system leads to have large amounts of people not going for preventive care every so often.. Hence why we rank so low on the system.. If our health care was so top of the line, we would not be ranked so low..
B) Gee why stop there.. I don't want to pay for the military thats only protecting one part of my country I am not at.. I don't care about other police departments, public education, roads..
You won't be denied them if you can't pay. And you pay for them no matter where you live in the world - "free health care" is funded by taxes which are paid by people. Unless you don't work or pay taxes (i.e. be a liberal :P), then you're paying for your health care and that of others as well.[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="pengo93"]
Is it true that in America you have to pay for life saving surgeries?
mrbojangles25
I'd sooner pay 500 bucks a year for universal healthcare for all than pay thousands a year and screw over other people.
The amount of people I know who would be bankrupted by simple surgery is staggering; it is our duty as Americans to help eachother out in these situations, I'd gladly pay a small amount more in taxes to ensure they, and I, are taken care of.
I refuse to pay any money to help other people in this sort of situation. I take care of myself and you take care of yourself and we both go on our way. I won't pay a single dollar of a tax that I know will be a part of this... than again I refuse to pay taxes already anywaysI refuse to pay any money to help other people in this sort of situation. I take care of myself and you take care of yourself and we both go on our way. I won't pay a single dollar of a tax that I know will be a part of this... than again I refuse to pay taxes already anywaystestfactor888So you don't pay taxes... yet you say you take care of yourself? I hope you live on some sort of isolated island where there is no infrastructure or services, or else you should realize you are benefitting from other people's money.
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="sonicare"] You won't be denied them if you can't pay. And you pay for them no matter where you live in the world - "free health care" is funded by taxes which are paid by people. Unless you don't work or pay taxes (i.e. be a liberal :P), then you're paying for your health care and that of others as well. testfactor888
I'd sooner pay 500 bucks a year for universal healthcare for all than pay thousands a year and screw over other people.
The amount of people I know who would be bankrupted by simple surgery is staggering; it is our duty as Americans to help eachother out in these situations, I'd gladly pay a small amount more in taxes to ensure they, and I, are taken care of.
I refuse to pay any money to help other people in this sort of situation. I take care of myself and you take care of yourself and we both go on our way. I won't pay a single dollar of a tax that I know will be a part of this... than again I refuse to pay taxes already anywaysBetter hope you don't get caught... Tax evasion is a crime sir.
You can get up to three years in prison, large fees, and you have to pay all the back taxes...
Better hope you don't get caught... Tax evasion is a crime sir.
You can get up to three years in prison, large fees, and you have to pay all the back taxes...
And in the meantime, we'll be paying for testfactor's health care while in prison :PI refuse to pay any money to help other people in this sort of situation. I take care of myself and you take care of yourself and we both go on our way. I won't pay a single dollar of a tax that I know will be a part of this... than again I refuse to pay taxes already anyways[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]
I'd sooner pay 500 bucks a year for universal healthcare for all than pay thousands a year and screw over other people.
The amount of people I know who would be bankrupted by simple surgery is staggering; it is our duty as Americans to help eachother out in these situations, I'd gladly pay a small amount more in taxes to ensure they, and I, are taken care of.
Buttons1990
Better hope you don't get caught... Tax evasion is a crime sir.
You can get up to three years in prison, large fees, and you have to pay all the back taxes...
I don't really care anymore as I have been avoiding it for awhile now. If they catch me I will take my jail time. Last time I did my taxes was in I think 2005 but I could be off. I should have been doing it since 2000 but I skipped the majority of the years and decided in the long run I just am not going to bother anymoreBetter hope you don't get caught... Tax evasion is a crime sir.
You can get up to three years in prison, large fees, and you have to pay all the back taxes...
And in the meantime, we'll be paying for testfactor's health care while in prison :P True enough lol, plus my meals and what not[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="sonicare"] You won't be denied them if you can't pay. And you pay for them no matter where you live in the world - "free health care" is funded by taxes which are paid by people. Unless you don't work or pay taxes (i.e. be a liberal :P), then you're paying for your health care and that of others as well. testfactor888
I'd sooner pay 500 bucks a year for universal healthcare for all than pay thousands a year and screw over other people.
The amount of people I know who would be bankrupted by simple surgery is staggering; it is our duty as Americans to help eachother out in these situations, I'd gladly pay a small amount more in taxes to ensure they, and I, are taken care of.
I refuse to pay any money to help other people in this sort of situation. I take care of myself and you take care of yourself and we both go on our way. I won't pay a single dollar of a tax that I know will be a part of this... than again I refuse to pay taxes already anywaysUmm...Have fun in prison?
[QUOTE="testfactor888"] I refuse to pay any money to help other people in this sort of situation. I take care of myself and you take care of yourself and we both go on our way. I won't pay a single dollar of a tax that I know will be a part of this... than again I refuse to pay taxes already anywaysEngrish_MajorSo you don't pay taxes... yet you say you take care of yourself? I hope you live on some sort of isolated island where there is no infrastructure or services, or else you should realize you are benefitting from other people's money. I don't mind the idea of taking other peoples money. Nom nom nom nom I live in a small town that isn't incorporated and the local government is corrupt as hell.
I don't really care anymore as I have been avoiding it for awhile now. If they catch me I will take my jail time. Last time I did my taxes was in I think 2005 but I could be off. I should have been doing it since 2000 but I skipped the majority of the years and decided in the long run I just am not going to bother anymoretestfactor888So, basically you are leaching off of society, yet in the same breath complain about having to help pay for other's health care?
I refuse to pay any money to help other people in this sort of situation. I take care of myself and you take care of yourself and we both go on our way. I won't pay a single dollar of a tax that I know will be a part of this... than again I refuse to pay taxes already anyways[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]
I'd sooner pay 500 bucks a year for universal healthcare for all than pay thousands a year and screw over other people.
The amount of people I know who would be bankrupted by simple surgery is staggering; it is our duty as Americans to help eachother out in these situations, I'd gladly pay a small amount more in taxes to ensure they, and I, are taken care of.
Pixel-Pirate
Umm...Have fun in prison?
That is if they ever catch me. I know a few other people who ignore their taxes as well and never had an issue *knock on wood Most of them are family members though so could all be caught in one fell swoop someday :o[QUOTE="testfactor888"]I don't really care anymore as I have been avoiding it for awhile now. If they catch me I will take my jail time. Last time I did my taxes was in I think 2005 but I could be off. I should have been doing it since 2000 but I skipped the majority of the years and decided in the long run I just am not going to bother anymoreEngrish_MajorSo, basically you are leaching off of society, yet in the same breath complain about having to help pay for other's health care? lol yep I am a hypocrite and loving every second of it :)
I refuse to pay any money to help other people in this sort of situation. testfactor888Yet you use other peoples money to benefit yourself? Nice one.
[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]And in the meantime, we'll be paying for testfactor's health care while in prison :PBetter hope you don't get caught... Tax evasion is a crime sir.
You can get up to three years in prison, large fees, and you have to pay all the back taxes...
Engrish_Major
Not just his healthcare, we will pay for his electricity, his water, his food, his guards and their salaries/retirement/insurance, the maintenance of the building, HIS EDUCATION if he chooses (in some states)... Hell until 1996 Prisoners could recieve pell grants and stafford loans meant for college kids to pay for their education while in prison lol, prisons are expensive...
What is the average now, $20,800 a year per prisoner to keep them incarcerated...
I was watching a documentary where homeless people go out of their way to break the law just to be thrown in prison, as it is nicer in prison than in a homeless shelter...
In my opinion, it should be:
You get incarcerated, you are given bread and water plus a nutrient pill/shot every day, your cell is big enough to get in and lay down, not to be comfortable, you will have no contact with other prisoners, you see psychiatrists to help rehabilitate, if that can't be accomplished, you sit in your hole forever, end of story.
And murders/rapes, etc... No question, if it was premeditated and the evidence is solid, the death penalty for all, and no more of that putting it off for 10 years with appeals, you get the death penalty, you die.
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] I refuse to pay any money to help other people in this sort of situation. I take care of myself and you take care of yourself and we both go on our way. I won't pay a single dollar of a tax that I know will be a part of this... than again I refuse to pay taxes already anywaystestfactor888
Umm...Have fun in prison?
That is if they ever catch me. I know a few other people who ignore their taxes as well and never had an issue *knock on wood Most of them are family members though so could all be caught in one fell swoop someday :oDo they go around admitting it on non-anonymous boards?
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