What do people see in Obama?

He's charismatic. He's fairly young. He excites the "cool" young adult crowd with this hope and "Change" rhetoric. So, he must be the next great President... Hmm?

He promises socialized government programs. Hey, at least he won't garnish your wages if you don't buy government health care like Hillary would!

In all seriousness, what do you cool people actually see in Barack Obama?

He could be an elitist, you know. He has a racist, radical pastor from a "Christian" church. Oh, and he has a Muslim heritage. His middle name is Hussein!

Hey, if you all can bash Geroge W. Bush about his strong Christian values, then what's wrong with me bringing up Obama's islamic connections?

I see that a lot of people would support Ron Paul OR Barack Obama. Well, Ron Paul does make some sense, because some of his ideas are in line with pure Republican ideals. Obama? BIG GOVERNMENT CENTRAL! Modern day liberalism is about control for the sake of "teh shared prosperity."

So, why support Ron Paul, a libertarian? Then Obama? A liberal? There's a sharp contrast between Ron Paul and Obama even though both don't support the war in Iraq.

So, why is Obama so cool? He's only been a Senator for about 3 years, and you expect him to live up to all of this "Change" crap?

Because his father was Muslim and his middle name is Hussein, that makes him a bad choice for President?

I'll stop seeing something in Obama when people come up with a real reason to dislike him

Because his father was Muslim and his middle name is Hussein, that makes him a bad choice for President?

I'll stop seeing something in Obama when people come up with a real reason to dislike him

Bad_Mofo_Gamer

He is spewing out too much bs to take him seriously?

oh no, let's just keep it all the same. it's totally working.thecaper77

More government programs. More government spending. More apathy on nation security (not necessarily about just Iraq).

It's not yet broken, let's not brake it.

Many Republicans in congress lost their way... Because they spent too much money like liberals.

I wouldn't mind him, it'd be nice to have an intellgent person in office.

I think it is reasonable to assume that he is an islamic sympathizer, albiet not islamic anymore. I just signed a petition two days ago against the removal of pictures of the prophet mohammed on Wikipedia. There's all these radical muslims in the US that want wikipedia to remove all pictures of the prophet mohammed or blank his face out. They need to get a grip IMO. They're not requesting either, they're ****ing demanding it, and they just doon't get it. The US does not accomodate to any religion. Muslims think they're special. When they do things like demand people to accomodate to their religion, they're disregarding basic human rights.

The second Obama starts accomodating to muslims, I go to the gun shop for personal security from muslim fascists.

Why do people keep lying about Obama being muslim, as if that were any reason not to vote for him? Are they just dumb and believe that, or do they want to play off of the racism, fear and ignorence that exists in our society?JackMcSexbeard

Well, it actually would be reason not to vote for him because Islam breaks many US laws that were created with freedom from religous oppression in mind. Muslims are required by the q'uran to do certain things that break US laws, so don't expect to see a pronounced muslim be running for US pres any time soon.

I think it is reasonable to assume that he is an islamic sympathizer, albiet not islamic anymore. I just signed a petition two days ago against the removal of pictures of the prophet mohammed on Wikipedia. There's all these radical muslims in the US that want wikipedia to remove all pictures of the prophet mohammed or blank his face out. They need to get a grip IMO. They're not requesting either, they're ****ing demanding it, and they just doon't get it. The US does not accomodate to any religion. Muslims think they're special. When they do things like demand people to accomodate to their religion, they're disregarding basic human rights.

The second Obama starts accomodating to muslims, I go to the gun shop for personal security from muslim fascists.

n_kors

Yeah, and have you read some of the things from the Koran? I posted some stuff that called for killing "infidels."

Radical islam is extremely dangerous. Oh, though these liberals want to pick on "teh intolerant" Christians! The Christians don't encourage their children to blow themselves up to kill people!

I wouldn't mind him, it'd be nice to have an intellgent person in office.

the_leet_kid

Actually, Obama's ignorant.

[QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]

I wouldn't mind him, it'd be nice to have an intellgent person in office.

n_kors

Actually, Obama's ignorant.

I think it is reasonable to assume that he is an islamic sympathizer, albiet not islamic anymore. I just signed a petition two days ago against the removal of pictures of the prophet mohammed on Wikipedia. There's all these radical muslims in the US that want wikipedia to remove all pictures of the prophet mohammed or blank his face out. They need to get a grip IMO. They're not requesting either, they're ****ing demanding it, and they just doon't get it. The US does not accomodate to any religion. Muslims think they're special. When they do things like demand people to accomodate to their religion, they're disregarding basic human rights.

The second Obama starts accomodating to muslims, I go to the gun shop for personal security from muslim fascists.

n_kors

How can we assume he is an "islamic sympathizer?

"Muslims think they're special" nice how you generalize an entire religion.

"The u.s. does not accomodate to any religon" What about creationism in schools or christian fundamentalism. What about these ultra radical christian schools which indoctrinate kids with similar miltantism like that in a madrassa?

Personally im kind of up in the air about the whole picture of Muhammod thing but I can understand their reasonings.

[QUOTE="Bad_Mofo_Gamer"]

Because his father was Muslim and his middle name is Hussein, that makes him a bad choice for President?

I'll stop seeing something in Obama when people come up with a real reason to dislike him

Ilived

He is spewing out too much bs to take him seriously?

Hillary cant make up her mind on a decision.

Next!

[QUOTE="n_kors"]

I think it is reasonable to assume that he is an islamic sympathizer, albiet not islamic anymore. I just signed a petition two days ago against the removal of pictures of the prophet mohammed on Wikipedia. There's all these radical muslims in the US that want wikipedia to remove all pictures of the prophet mohammed or blank his face out. They need to get a grip IMO. They're not requesting either, they're ****ing demanding it, and they just doon't get it. The US does not accomodate to any religion. Muslims think they're special. When they do things like demand people to accomodate to their religion, they're disregarding basic human rights.

The second Obama starts accomodating to muslims, I go to the gun shop for personal security from muslim fascists.

MayorJohnny

Yeah, and have you read some of the things from the Koran? I posted some stuff that called for killing "infidels."

Radical islam is extremely dangerous. Oh, though these liberals want to pick on "teh intolerant" Christians! The Christians don't encourage their children to blow themselves.

Oh don't I know it. Liberals just don't get it. or don't care. I bet they think the whole radical islam thing is a conspiracy!! Sad to say the least. You really don't have to look far to find out how many people have suffered because of muslims thinking they need to go out and kill infidels for their prophet. It just makes me want to go to the mIddle East and gun them down myself.

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"]Why do people keep lying about Obama being muslim, as if that were any reason not to vote for him? Are they just dumb and believe that, or do they want to play off of the racism, fear and ignorence that exists in our society?n_kors

Well, it actually would be reason not to vote for him because Islam breaks many US laws that were created with freedom from religous oppression in mind. Muslims are required by the q'uran to do certain things that break US laws, so don't expect to see a pronounced muslim be running for US pres any time soon.

Not really. Islam does not provoke the breaking of any US laws anymore than any other religion. I have many muslim friends that i Have grown up with and they have never done anything out of their religion to break the law.

Islam is not some backwards restrictive religion, its the extrmeist who twist it as a means of controling people and using them for their own means. What are these things required by the koran that cause muslims to break the law b/c all the muslims I know are law abiding people.

I am all for small government, but I think its more important to vote in someone who isn't a fanatical "retoad"(I got in troouble twice for using another word). So I got the democratic choices hilary who i hate with a passion or obama, who is a socialist but besides that I agree with him in every other way. and as far as socialists are concerned, he seems pretty realistic. (I read his book so I'm not just talking out my "behind")

As for the republicans, McCain ispretty moderate so i'm chill with him. except the whole "wanting to overturn roe v. wade" thing.

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="Bad_Mofo_Gamer"]

Because his father was Muslim and his middle name is Hussein, that makes him a bad choice for President?

I'll stop seeing something in Obama when people come up with a real reason to dislike him

Bad_Mofo_Gamer

He is spewing out too much bs to take him seriously?

Hillary cant make up her mind on a decision.

Next!

oh but bad mofo you are forgetting all of her experiance F***ing up NYS! oh and her experiance as the wife of a president...she already knows her way around the white house and all.

[QUOTE="n_kors"]

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"]Why do people keep lying about Obama being muslim, as if that were any reason not to vote for him? Are they just dumb and believe that, or do they want to play off of the racism, fear and ignorence that exists in our society?JackMcSexbeard

Well, it actually would be reason not to vote for him because Islam breaks many US laws that were created with freedom from religous oppression in mind. Muslims are required by the q'uran to do certain things that break US laws, so don't expect to see a pronounced muslim be running for US pres any time soon.

Not really. Islam does not provoke the breaking of any US laws anymore than any other religion. I have many muslim friends that i Have grown up with and they have never done anything out of their religion to break the law.

Islam is not some backwards restrictive religion, its the extrmeist who twist it as a means of controling people and using them for their own means. What are these things required by the koran that cause muslims to break the law b/c all the muslims I know are law abiding people.

Sharia Law. Recently, the Arch Bishop of Cantebury said that the UK will need to recgonize it. At least some aspects of it, because there are a lot of Muslims in Great Britain.

[QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]

I wouldn't mind him, it'd be nice to have an intellgent person in office.

bman784

Actually, Obama's ignorant.

I got my rationale right here. Right next to my freakin' insight stick!!!!

He's a liberal for one, which covers the general ignorance part.

He thinks a troop withdrawal is the right direction to take. Anyone who sees that as a solution is ignorant, at least on the war.

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="n_kors"]

I think it is reasonable to assume that he is an islamic sympathizer, albiet not islamic anymore. I just signed a petition two days ago against the removal of pictures of the prophet mohammed on Wikipedia. There's all these radical muslims in the US that want wikipedia to remove all pictures of the prophet mohammed or blank his face out. They need to get a grip IMO. They're not requesting either, they're ****ing demanding it, and they just doon't get it. The US does not accomodate to any religion. Muslims think they're special. When they do things like demand people to accomodate to their religion, they're disregarding basic human rights.

The second Obama starts accomodating to muslims, I go to the gun shop for personal security from muslim fascists.

n_kors

Yeah, and have you read some of the things from the Koran? I posted some stuff that called for killing "infidels."

Radical islam is extremely dangerous. Oh, though these liberals want to pick on "teh intolerant" Christians! The Christians don't encourage their children to blow themselves.

Oh don't I know it. Liberals just don't get it. or don't care. I bet they think the whole radical islam thing is a conspiracy!! Sad to say the least. You really don't have to look far to find out how many people have suffered because of muslims thinking they need to go out and kill infidels for their prophet. It just makes me want to go to the mIddle East and gun them down myself.

Wow you want to go to the middle east and gun down innocent people. You are a sick human being. Do you know anything about Islam? Do you know anything about society and culture in the middle east? I want to see you set up an argument based on FACTS.

[QUOTE="n_kors"]

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"]Why do people keep lying about Obama being muslim, as if that were any reason not to vote for him? Are they just dumb and believe that, or do they want to play off of the racism, fear and ignorence that exists in our society?JackMcSexbeard

Well, it actually would be reason not to vote for him because Islam breaks many US laws that were created with freedom from religous oppression in mind. Muslims are required by the q'uran to do certain things that break US laws, so don't expect to see a pronounced muslim be running for US pres any time soon.

Not really. Islam does not provoke the breaking of any US laws anymore than any other religion. I have many muslim friends that i Have grown up with and they have never done anything out of their religion to break the law.

Islam is not some backwards restrictive religion, its the extrmeist who twist it as a means of controling people and using them for their own means. What are these things required by the koran that cause muslims to break the law b/c all the muslims I know are law abiding people.

This is from a previous post in this thread you obviously didn't read, or ignored.

think it is reasonable to assume that he is an islamic sympathizer, albiet not islamic anymore. I just signed a petition two days ago against the removal of pictures of the prophet mohammed on Wikipedia. There's all these radical muslims in the US that want wikipedia to remove all pictures of the prophet mohammed or blank his face out. They need to get a grip IMO. They're not requesting either, they're ****ing demanding it, and they just doon't get it. The US does not accomodate to any religion. Muslims think they're special. When they do things like demand people to accomodate to their religion, they're disregarding basic human rights.

The second Obama starts accomodating to muslims, I go to the gun shop for personal security from muslim fascists.

And because I'm nice and want people to know what the issues are: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328966,00.html

And if you say anything about it being from fox news then you have no argument because everything in the article is true.

[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]

I wouldn't mind him, it'd be nice to have an intellgent person in office.

n_kors

Actually, Obama's ignorant.

I got my rationale right here. Right next to my freakin' insight stick!!!!

He's a liberal for one, which covers the general ignorance part.

He thinks a troop withdrawal is the right direction to take. Anyone who sees that as a solution is ignorant, at least on the war.

You are one of the most uninformed person I have ever encountered on "teh intertubes". You claim Obama is ignorant because he is liberal.... how in God's name does that make sense. You hate Muslims because of the actions of a few bad apples and yet you propose senseless violence yourself. I don't know why people like you exist, but I guess this is why Bust got elected, then reelected. God help us.

[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]

I wouldn't mind him, it'd be nice to have an intellgent person in office.

n_kors

Actually, Obama's ignorant.

I got my rationale right here. Right next to my freakin' insight stick!!!!

He's a liberal for one, which covers the general ignorance part.

He thinks a troop withdrawal is the right direction to take. Anyone who sees that as a solution is ignorant, at least on the war.

oh my you can cut the irony in here with a knife. I will skip you being ignorant and address your opinion on war. Obama wants to reduce american troops, but not abandon the war. Hilary wants to "cut and run" obama wants to get iraq on its own feet while slowly getting america out of there.

so its hilary -"run away" obama "lets try to do this like civilized men' republicans "when is jesus going to show up already"

[QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="n_kors"]

I think it is reasonable to assume that he is an islamic sympathizer, albiet not islamic anymore. I just signed a petition two days ago against the removal of pictures of the prophet mohammed on Wikipedia. There's all these radical muslims in the US that want wikipedia to remove all pictures of the prophet mohammed or blank his face out. They need to get a grip IMO. They're not requesting either, they're ****ing demanding it, and they just doon't get it. The US does not accomodate to any religion. Muslims think they're special. When they do things like demand people to accomodate to their religion, they're disregarding basic human rights.

The second Obama starts accomodating to muslims, I go to the gun shop for personal security from muslim fascists.

JackMcSexbeard

Yeah, and have you read some of the things from the Koran? I posted some stuff that called for killing "infidels."

Radical islam is extremely dangerous. Oh, though these liberals want to pick on "teh intolerant" Christians! The Christians don't encourage their children to blow themselves.

Oh don't I know it. Liberals just don't get it. or don't care. I bet they think the whole radical islam thing is a conspiracy!! Sad to say the least. You really don't have to look far to find out how many people have suffered because of muslims thinking they need to go out and kill infidels for their prophet. It just makes me want to go to the mIddle East and gun them down myself.

Wow you want to go to the middle east and gun down innocent people. You are a sick human being. Do you know anything about Islam? Do you know anything about society and culture in the middle east? I want to see you set up an argument based on FACTS.

Quit throwing fire onto the debate dude. I did not say I want to gun down innocent people and you know it. Hopefully you realize that because if you don't then you need to order some Hooked on Phonix and learn what words mean when they're put together in sentances. Do you not know how to read? I did not say I want to gun down innocent people.

Also, if you think radical muslim fascists are innocent, that probably means you are one.

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="n_kors"]

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"]Why do people keep lying about Obama being muslim, as if that were any reason not to vote for him? Are they just dumb and believe that, or do they want to play off of the racism, fear and ignorence that exists in our society?MayorJohnny

Well, it actually would be reason not to vote for him because Islam breaks many US laws that were created with freedom from religous oppression in mind. Muslims are required by the q'uran to do certain things that break US laws, so don't expect to see a pronounced muslim be running for US pres any time soon.

Not really. Islam does not provoke the breaking of any US laws anymore than any other religion. I have many muslim friends that i Have grown up with and they have never done anything out of their religion to break the law.

Islam is not some backwards restrictive religion, its the extrmeist who twist it as a means of controling people and using them for their own means. What are these things required by the koran that cause muslims to break the law b/c all the muslims I know are law abiding people.

Sharia Law. Recently, the Arch Bishop of Cantebury said that the UK will need to recgonize it. At least some aspects of it, because there are a lot of Muslims in Great Britain.

Yes I do.

What asspects of it will be recognized?

I agree though that radical Islam is a terrible thing and it must be stamped out just the radicalism of all faiths.

However you proceed to put all or even most muslims under this umbrella of extrmeism and suggest that they are untrustworthy. I dont know any that follow that form of extremest views and the numbers are not very large. The same could be said for extremeist christians preahing creationism or indoctrinating children with fanatical beliefs.

[QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]

I wouldn't mind him, it'd be nice to have an intellgent person in office.

DrummerJon

Actually, Obama's ignorant.

I got my rationale right here. Right next to my freakin' insight stick!!!!

He's a liberal for one, which covers the general ignorance part.

He thinks a troop withdrawal is the right direction to take. Anyone who sees that as a solution is ignorant, at least on the war.

oh my you can cut the irony in here with a knife. I will skip you being ignorant and address your opinion on war. Obama wants to reduce american troops, but not abandon the war. Hilary wants to "cut and run" obama wants to get iraq on its own feet while slowly getting america out of there.

so its hilary -"run away" obama "lets try to do this like civilized men' republicans "when is jesus going to show up already"

Uh, Obama wants promotes that he will "end the war" and that it should have "never been authorized or waged." I'm not confident that he won't retreat too early.

Oh, and Hillary Clinton is wrong, as well. Though, I think that she's playing up to the liberal base. At least I think she won't allow herself to look too weak on defense if only because of the politics. You know that the "Clinton Machine" won't want to look like cowards.

[QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]

I wouldn't mind him, it'd be nice to have an intellgent person in office.

DrummerJon

Actually, Obama's ignorant.

I got my rationale right here. Right next to my freakin' insight stick!!!!

He's a liberal for one, which covers the general ignorance part.

He thinks a troop withdrawal is the right direction to take. Anyone who sees that as a solution is ignorant, at least on the war.

oh my you can cut the irony in here with a knife. I will skip you being ignorant and address your opinion on war. Obama wants to reduce american troops, but not abandon the war. Hilary wants to "cut and run" obama wants to get iraq on its own feet while slowly getting america out of there.

so its hilary -"run away" obama "lets try to do this like civilized men' republicans "when is jesus going to show up already"

Obama is opposed to the war. And although i'm sure you'd love to lavish in your self-proclaimed factual statements as they go against mine, Obama wants to set a deadline for withdrawal. Also, you have your candidates mixed up. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B02E1DF1E3EF935A15751C0A9619C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2

I'm a war buff, buy the way. I know almost everything about it.

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="n_kors"]

I think it is reasonable to assume that he is an islamic sympathizer, albiet not islamic anymore. I just signed a petition two days ago against the removal of pictures of the prophet mohammed on Wikipedia. There's all these radical muslims in the US that want wikipedia to remove all pictures of the prophet mohammed or blank his face out. They need to get a grip IMO. They're not requesting either, they're ****ing demanding it, and they just doon't get it. The US does not accomodate to any religion. Muslims think they're special. When they do things like demand people to accomodate to their religion, they're disregarding basic human rights.

The second Obama starts accomodating to muslims, I go to the gun shop for personal security from muslim fascists.

n_kors

Yeah, and have you read some of the things from the Koran? I posted some stuff that called for killing "infidels."

Radical islam is extremely dangerous. Oh, though these liberals want to pick on "teh intolerant" Christians! The Christians don't encourage their children to blow themselves.

Oh don't I know it. Liberals just don't get it. or don't care. I bet they think the whole radical islam thing is a conspiracy!! Sad to say the least. You really don't have to look far to find out how many people have suffered because of muslims thinking they need to go out and kill infidels for their prophet. It just makes me want to go to the mIddle East and gun them down myself.

Wow you want to go to the middle east and gun down innocent people. You are a sick human being. Do you know anything about Islam? Do you know anything about society and culture in the middle east? I want to see you set up an argument based on FACTS.

Quit throwing fire onto the debate dude. I did not say I want to gun down innocent people and you know it. Hopefully you realize that because if you don't then you need to order some Hooked on Phonix and learn what words mean when they're put together in sentances. Do you not know how to read? I did not say I want to gun down innocent people.

Also, if you think radical muslim fascists are innocent, that probably means you are one.

Do you read your own posts? You claim he lacks the ability to read by writing crude, misspelled sentences. First of all, write properly so that we may actually debate like civilized humans. Secondly, these "radical muslim fascists" you keep mentioning are not representative of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Much like the Cathlic bishops that molested the children do not represent all Catholics. Please, make a proper claim, not what you hear on Fox News.

[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]

I wouldn't mind him, it'd be nice to have an intellgent person in office.

n_kors

Actually, Obama's ignorant.

I got my rationale right here. Right next to my freakin' insight stick!!!!

He's a liberal for one, which covers the general ignorance part.

He thinks a troop withdrawal is the right direction to take. Anyone who sees that as a solution is ignorant, at least on the war.

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="n_kors"]

I think it is reasonable to assume that he is an islamic sympathizer, albiet not islamic anymore. I just signed a petition two days ago against the removal of pictures of the prophet mohammed on Wikipedia. There's all these radical muslims in the US that want wikipedia to remove all pictures of the prophet mohammed or blank his face out. They need to get a grip IMO. They're not requesting either, they're ****ing demanding it, and they just doon't get it. The US does not accomodate to any religion. Muslims think they're special. When they do things like demand people to accomodate to their religion, they're disregarding basic human rights.

The second Obama starts accomodating to muslims, I go to the gun shop for personal security from muslim fascists.

n_kors

Yeah, and have you read some of the things from the Koran? I posted some stuff that called for killing "infidels."

Radical islam is extremely dangerous. Oh, though these liberals want to pick on "teh intolerant" Christians! The Christians don't encourage their children to blow themselves.

Oh don't I know it. Liberals just don't get it. or don't care. I bet they think the whole radical islam thing is a conspiracy!! Sad to say the least. You really don't have to look far to find out how many people have suffered because of muslims thinking they need to go out and kill infidels for their prophet. It just makes me want to go to the mIddle East and gun them down myself.

Wow you want to go to the middle east and gun down innocent people. You are a sick human being. Do you know anything about Islam? Do you know anything about society and culture in the middle east? I want to see you set up an argument based on FACTS.

Quit throwing fire onto the debate dude. I did not say I want to gun down innocent people and you know it. Hopefully you realize that because if you don't then you need to order some Hooked on Phonix and learn what words mean when they're put together in sentances. Do you not know how to read? I did not say I want to gun down innocent people.

Also, if you think radical muslim fascists are innocent, that probably means you are one.

"You really don't have to look far to find out how many people have suffered because of muslims thinking they need to go out and kill infidels for their prophet. It just makes me want to go to the mIddle East and gun them down myself"

That is what you said, you said muslims. That suggests that you mean all muslims. If I say canadians I dont mean certain canadians I mean all canadians when you use that terminology the reader is going to assume you mean all b/c that is the way it is used in English.

And yes clearly I said that radical muslims are innocent. I said "innocent muslims" differentiating them from those muslims who are guilty i.e. guilty of murder, terrorism.

I honestly dont know how to respond the level of ignorence is astounding. How am I a radical Muslim facist? Im an Irish Catholic livng in Chicago. I mean are you serious?

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="n_kors"]

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"]Why do people keep lying about Obama being muslim, as if that were any reason not to vote for him? Are they just dumb and believe that, or do they want to play off of the racism, fear and ignorence that exists in our society?JackMcSexbeard

Well, it actually would be reason not to vote for him because Islam breaks many US laws that were created with freedom from religous oppression in mind. Muslims are required by the q'uran to do certain things that break US laws, so don't expect to see a pronounced muslim be running for US pres any time soon.

Not really. Islam does not provoke the breaking of any US laws anymore than any other religion. I have many muslim friends that i Have grown up with and they have never done anything out of their religion to break the law.

Islam is not some backwards restrictive religion, its the extrmeist who twist it as a means of controling people and using them for their own means. What are these things required by the koran that cause muslims to break the law b/c all the muslims I know are law abiding people.

Sharia Law. Recently, the Arch Bishop of Cantebury said that the UK will need to recgonize it. At least some aspects of it, because there are a lot of Muslims in Great Britain.

Yes I do.

What asspects of it will be recognized?

I agree though that radical Islam is a terrible thing and it must be stamped out just the radicalism of all faiths.

However you proceed to put all or even most muslims under this umbrella of extrmeism and suggest that they are untrustworthy. I dont know any that follow that form of extremest views and the numbers are not very large. The same could be said for extremeist christians preahing creationism or indoctrinating children with fanatical beliefs.

Teaching how God created us and that abortion is wrong... You compare that to murdering "infidels"? Oh my goodness. :|

Anyway, I saw on the news at a protest in GREAT BRITAIN that one Muslim was holding a sign that said "God Bless Hitler!"

There were other signs against Jews, as well.

You don't have to be a killer to still have radical ideology.

Anyway, why do a lot of Muslims get special treatment? I think that it's because people are afraid. They aren't afraid of Christians because we are much less likely to get violent.

Uh, Obama wants promotes that he will "end the war" and that it should have "never been authorized or waged." I'm not confident that he won't retreat too early.

Oh, and Hillary Clinton is wrong, as well. Though, I think that she's playing up to the liberal base. At least I think she won't allow herself to look too weak on defense if only because of the politics. You know that the "Clinton Machine" won't want to look like cowards.

MayorJohnny

Hilary said something along the lines of "American troops will be out of Iraq the day I'm president and not a day later.' obviously not being literal, but she always talks about a withdrawal ASAP. What makes things worse is she tends to trail off in republican bashing ignoring any specific war plan. Or course none of the canidates give very much details but she seems ok with just 'bookin' it" out of iraq

someone not named bush or clinton

[QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="n_kors"]

I think it is reasonable to assume that he is an islamic sympathizer, albiet not islamic anymore. I just signed a petition two days ago against the removal of pictures of the prophet mohammed on Wikipedia. There's all these radical muslims in the US that want wikipedia to remove all pictures of the prophet mohammed or blank his face out. They need to get a grip IMO. They're not requesting either, they're ****ing demanding it, and they just doon't get it. The US does not accomodate to any religion. Muslims think they're special. When they do things like demand people to accomodate to their religion, they're disregarding basic human rights.

The second Obama starts accomodating to muslims, I go to the gun shop for personal security from muslim fascists.

haloraider

Yeah, and have you read some of the things from the Koran? I posted some stuff that called for killing "infidels."

Radical islam is extremely dangerous. Oh, though these liberals want to pick on "teh intolerant" Christians! The Christians don't encourage their children to blow themselves.

Oh don't I know it. Liberals just don't get it. or don't care. I bet they think the whole radical islam thing is a conspiracy!! Sad to say the least. You really don't have to look far to find out how many people have suffered because of muslims thinking they need to go out and kill infidels for their prophet. It just makes me want to go to the mIddle East and gun them down myself.

Wow you want to go to the middle east and gun down innocent people. You are a sick human being. Do you know anything about Islam? Do you know anything about society and culture in the middle east? I want to see you set up an argument based on FACTS.

Quit throwing fire onto the debate dude. I did not say I want to gun down innocent people and you know it. Hopefully you realize that because if you don't then you need to order some Hooked on Phonix and learn what words mean when they're put together in sentances. Do you not know how to read? I did not say I want to gun down innocent people.

Also, if you think radical muslim fascists are innocent, that probably means you are one.

Do you read your own posts? You claim he lacks the ability to read by writing crude, misspelled sentences. First of all, write properly so that we may actually debate like civilized humans. Secondly, these "radical muslim fascists" you keep mentioning are not representative of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Much like the Cathlic bishops that molested the children do not represent all Catholics. Please, make a proper claim, not what you hear on Fox News.

Just as the Nazis are representative of the murder of 6 million jews and countless others, radical muslims are responsible for the murder thousands of christians and are responsible for starting countless wars and conflicts in the middle east, and, why am I having to say this to you. Did you honestly no know these things about radical muslims? The Nazis aren't and weren't very representative of all germans either.

Why do you put quotations around radical muslim fascists. Do you think they're innocent. You say they're not representative like that makes it all okay: like it makes it okay for them to murder innocent people.

Please point out which of my claims is not proper. I take interest in the conflict that's going on right now. I get my info from many other places besides fox news.

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="n_kors"]

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"]Why do people keep lying about Obama being muslim, as if that were any reason not to vote for him? Are they just dumb and believe that, or do they want to play off of the racism, fear and ignorence that exists in our society?MayorJohnny

Well, it actually would be reason not to vote for him because Islam breaks many US laws that were created with freedom from religous oppression in mind. Muslims are required by the q'uran to do certain things that break US laws, so don't expect to see a pronounced muslim be running for US pres any time soon.

Not really. Islam does not provoke the breaking of any US laws anymore than any other religion. I have many muslim friends that i Have grown up with and they have never done anything out of their religion to break the law.

Islam is not some backwards restrictive religion, its the extrmeist who twist it as a means of controling people and using them for their own means. What are these things required by the koran that cause muslims to break the law b/c all the muslims I know are law abiding people.

Sharia Law. Recently, the Arch Bishop of Cantebury said that the UK will need to recgonize it. At least some aspects of it, because there are a lot of Muslims in Great Britain.

Yes I do.

What asspects of it will be recognized?

I agree though that radical Islam is a terrible thing and it must be stamped out just the radicalism of all faiths.

However you proceed to put all or even most muslims under this umbrella of extrmeism and suggest that they are untrustworthy. I dont know any that follow that form of extremest views and the numbers are not very large. The same could be said for extremeist christians preahing creationism or indoctrinating children with fanatical beliefs.

Teaching how God created us and that abortion is wrong... You compare that to murdering "infidels"? Oh my goodness. :|

Yes I should have stated that more clearly, What I was attempting to highlight was the that christian fundamentalism should be looked at with the same lense we look at Islamic Extremism. Large parts of The fundametalist Movement want to train kids from a young age to be prepared to die in the name of jesues, just like the terrorists we see on television are indoctrinated w/ those beliefs by their own extremists. I was meaning to show that this really does exist in the us yet it is ignored. A good place to start if you wanted to learn more would be to watch Jesus Camp you can find it on youtube, its a great critically acclaimed doc. on the rise of the extremist elements of the religious right, or perhaps try to find CNN special called God Warriors.

Anyway, I saw on the news at a protest in GREAT BRITAIN that one Muslim was holding a sign that said "God Bless Hitler There were other signs against Jews, as well.

So you saw One muslim holding a sign saying god bless hitler in a huge demonstration. Everyday I see protests on the news with white kids saying Bush is a Nazi, You can see the KKK march down streets and spew the sam message and someone who lives in a different country will see these images and assume this is waht america is like. Do you ever get upset at foreigners b/c they make broad generalizations about Americans, where do you think they get them from?

You don't have to be a killer to still have radical ideology.

I agree and it needs to be stopped but the only way it can be stopped is through education. We cannot win a war against terrorism no matter how advanced our technology is. This is an ideology the harder we push the more it grows and the less support we get, You cannot beat it head to head you need to stop it ats its source, the schools and the education they recieve.

Anyway, why do a lot of Muslims get special treatment? Yet, Christians are given a hard time? In America, we always get the "Separation of Church and State" line.

I dont see muslims getting some kind of hugly disproportionat level of special treatment, besides couldn't that critique be leveled against any minority group? However I would say christian do get a harder time b/c we are in a positon to change things we make laws and policies off of our beliefs yet others dont so when criticising a certain group its the ones makeing the policy that get the flak.

[QUOTE="haloraider"][QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="n_kors"]

I think it is reasonable to assume that he is an islamic sympathizer, albiet not islamic anymore. I just signed a petition two days ago against the removal of pictures of the prophet mohammed on Wikipedia. There's all these radical muslims in the US that want wikipedia to remove all pictures of the prophet mohammed or blank his face out. They need to get a grip IMO. They're not requesting either, they're ****ing demanding it, and they just doon't get it. The US does not accomodate to any religion. Muslims think they're special. When they do things like demand people to accomodate to their religion, they're disregarding basic human rights.

The second Obama starts accomodating to muslims, I go to the gun shop for personal security from muslim fascists.

n_kors

Yeah, and have you read some of the things from the Koran? I posted some stuff that called for killing "infidels."

Radical islam is extremely dangerous. Oh, though these liberals want to pick on "teh intolerant" Christians! The Christians don't encourage their children to blow themselves.

Oh don't I know it. Liberals just don't get it. or don't care. I bet they think the whole radical islam thing is a conspiracy!! Sad to say the least. You really don't have to look far to find out how many people have suffered because of muslims thinking they need to go out and kill infidels for their prophet. It just makes me want to go to the mIddle East and gun them down myself.

Wow you want to go to the middle east and gun down innocent people. You are a sick human being. Do you know anything about Islam? Do you know anything about society and culture in the middle east? I want to see you set up an argument based on FACTS.

Quit throwing fire onto the debate dude. I did not say I want to gun down innocent people and you know it. Hopefully you realize that because if you don't then you need to order some Hooked on Phonix and learn what words mean when they're put together in sentances. Do you not know how to read? I did not say I want to gun down innocent people.

Also, if you think radical muslim fascists are innocent, that probably means you are one.

Do you read your own posts? You claim he lacks the ability to read by writing crude, misspelled sentences. First of all, write properly so that we may actually debate like civilized humans. Secondly, these "radical muslim fascists" you keep mentioning are not representative of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Much like the Cathlic bishops that molested the children do not represent all Catholics. Please, make a proper claim, not what you hear on Fox News.

Just as the Nazis are representative of the murder of 6 million jews and countless others, radical muslims are responsible for the murder thousands of christians and are responsible for starting countless wars and conflicts in the middle east, and, why am I having to say this to you. Did you honestly no know these things about radical muslims? The Nazis aren't and weren't very representative of all germans either.

Why do you put quotations around radical muslim fascists. Do you think they're innocent. You say they're not representative like that makes it all okay: like it makes it okay for them to murder innocent people.

Please point out which of my claims is not proper. I take interest in the conflict that's going on right now. I get my info from many other places besides fox news.

Alright then, buddy. If I follow your logic, then America is responsible for the death of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's and the Israel is responsible for the murder of thousands of Palestinians. Does this sound right? No it doesn't. These are the results of the actions of a few psycho's with too much power. They do not represent the millions of people that share a reference with them. I don't agree with the terrorist attacks at all. I believe that those that kill in the name of Islam are grossly misguided.

Also, I do not support Obama (although I do favor him over Hilliary and all Republicans other than Ron Paul). I support Kucinich. The improper claims I was refering to was your argument that Obama being a "muslim sympathizer" would cause the downfall of America. I don't know if this occured to you, but millions of Muslims are living in America this very minute. I doubt that the election of a man with a Muslim father would cause there people to suddenly get up one morning and say, "Hey, I don't like America anymore, I'm gonna do something evil." Come on, man. Please, for the sake of humanity, think before you spew hate.

[QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]

I wouldn't mind him, it'd be nice to have an intellgent person in office.

haloraider

Actually, Obama's ignorant.

I got my rationale right here. Right next to my freakin' insight stick!!!!

He's a liberal for one, which covers the general ignorance part.

He thinks a troop withdrawal is the right direction to take. Anyone who sees that as a solution is ignorant, at least on the war.

You are one of the most uninformed person I have ever encountered on "teh intertubes". You claim Obama is ignorant because he is liberal.... how in God's name does that make sense. You hate Muslims because of the actions of a few bad apples and yet you propose senseless violence yourself. I don't know why people like you exist, but I guess this is why Bust got elected, then reelected. God help us.

I'm really getting tired of people making things up about me. First it's I want to gun down innocent people now its I hate muslims. These statements are tremendously false.

The problem is not that I'm un-informed: I am very well informed thank you very much, its that you are MIS-informed and believe Obama's and Hillary's lies about the war. I'm not your enemy.

For the record, when I said Obama is ignorant, i was being facetious. It's obviously not a true statement, so try taking one of my other facts you claim is false and try to argue that next time.

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="Bad_Mofo_Gamer"]

Because his father was Muslim and his middle name is Hussein, that makes him a bad choice for President?

I'll stop seeing something in Obama when people come up with a real reason to dislike him

Bad_Mofo_Gamer

He is spewing out too much bs to take him seriously?

Hillary cant make up her mind on a decision.

Next!

Oh ouch yeah that hurt me! Because I am supporting Hilary...not.

[QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="n_kors"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="n_kors"]

I think it is reasonable to assume that he is an islamic sympathizer, albiet not islamic anymore. I just signed a petition two days ago against the removal of pictures of the prophet mohammed on Wikipedia. There's all these radical muslims in the US that want wikipedia to remove all pictures of the prophet mohammed or blank his face out. They need to get a grip IMO. They're not requesting either, they're ****ing demanding it, and they just doon't get it. The US does not accomodate to any religion. Muslims think they're special. When they do things like demand people to accomodate to their religion, they're disregarding basic human rights.

The second Obama starts accomodating to muslims, I go to the gun shop for personal security from muslim fascists.

JackMcSexbeard

Yeah, and have you read some of the things from the Koran? I posted some stuff that called for killing "infidels."

Radical islam is extremely dangerous. Oh, though these liberals want to pick on "teh intolerant" Christians! The Christians don't encourage their children to blow themselves.

Oh don't I know it. Liberals just don't get it. or don't care. I bet they think the whole radical islam thing is a conspiracy!! Sad to say the least. You really don't have to look far to find out how many people have suffered because of muslims thinking they need to go out and kill infidels for their prophet. It just makes me want to go to the mIddle East and gun them down myself.

Wow you want to go to the middle east and gun down innocent people. You are a sick human being. Do you know anything about Islam? Do you know anything about society and culture in the middle east? I want to see you set up an argument based on FACTS.

Quit throwing fire onto the debate dude. I did not say I want to gun down innocent people and you know it. Hopefully you realize that because if you don't then you need to order some Hooked on Phonix and learn what words mean when they're put together in sentances. Do you not know how to read? I did not say I want to gun down innocent people.

Also, if you think radical muslim fascists are innocent, that probably means you are one.

"You really don't have to look far to find out how many people have suffered because of muslims thinking they need to go out and kill infidels for their prophet. It just makes me want to go to the mIddle East and gun them down myself"

That is what you said, you said muslims. That suggests that you mean all muslims. If I say canadians I dont mean certain canadians I mean all canadians when you use that terminology the reader is going to assume you mean all b/c that is the way it is used in English.

And yes clearly I said that radical muslims are innocent. I said "innocent muslims" differentiating them from those muslims who are guilty i.e. guilty of murder, terrorism.

I honestly dont know how to respond the level of ignorence is astounding. How am I a radical Muslim facist? Im an Irish Catholic livng in Chicago. I mean are you serious?

Yes, but muslims who want to murder people for benig infidels in the name of prophet mohammend are the radical ones, so you have no argument. I still say you're instigating. I couuld probably report you and get away with it. I will be more carefull to always say radical muslims when I mean radical muslims because I don't want people like you to throw firewater onto my arguments.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3049/barackobamaforpresidentlg7.jpg

thats what I see in him