What are you? Religious, Atheist, Undecide, or Other

You're confusing the actual pointhere; the atheist does not usually declare that he knows that God does not exist, but rather that he has no belief in God, and therefore has a belief that God does not exist.MetalGear_Ninty

What Bertrand was proposing was that agnosticism using the justification you just gave, is wholly irrational as one like yourself would also have to declare his agnosticism for such celestail teapots; whilst granted we cannot be certain of the non-existence of such a teapot, it becomes reasonable for us, without sufficient evidence to embrace the defualt position of believe that such an entity does not exist.

wow , most people here are atheists ?? hmmmmmmgubrushadow

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]wow , most people here are atheists ?? hmmmmmmrawsavon

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] You're confusing the actual pointhere; the atheist does not usually declare that he knows that God does not exist, but rather that he has no belief in God, and therefore has a belief that God does not exist.Vandalvideo

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What Bertrand was proposing was that agnosticism using the justification you just gave, is wholly irrational as one like yourself would also have to declare his agnosticism for such celestail teapots; whilst granted we cannot be certain of the non-existence of such a teapot, it becomes reasonable for us, without sufficient evidence to embrace the defualt position of believe that such an entity does not exist.Vandalvideo

No, I didn't say that a lack of evidence is evidence of naught -- only that it is irrational to pursue agnosticism when there is a lack of convincing evidence.

Take the following claim: "An enemy intent on killing is situated just behind your chair holding a knife"

If you were agnosticism to this claim, as you must declare yourself as such considering that such a claim is unfalsifiable, then why aren't you constantly looking behind yourself to protect yourself from such an entity? Such a course would be the rational option for those like yourself who are agnostic to the existence of such an entity. But you don't take such an action, this is because you see no evidence for it, and therefore rationally employ the belief that such a murderous does not exist straight behind yourself.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]wow , most people here are atheists ?? hmmmmmm_Ben99_

I'd classify myself as a rational thinker who has strong doubts in the existence of a god.

It's hard to put a defining label on me. I'm definitely not religious and I can't certainly say that I'm atheist, and I also can't say for certain that it's impossible to find out that a supreme being exists or that someone doesn't already know this, so I can't really say I'm agnostic.

While dieties in religion seem to be absurd, it's as possible as it is impossible. Someone mentioned that lack of evidence does not imply evidence of nonexistence, and while this is true, on the flip side there isa lack ofevidential nonexistence. Some might argue that the calculations are illogical, but how are we to be certain that we know what we know? Maybe we're in a matrix! And people say, that's ridiculous. Well, is it? Is it really hard to believe that your senses are lying to you? Maybe they're not and I'm full of ****, but by all means I beg you to enlighten me in a way I haven't already considered. The realm of possibility is an illusion.

People waste time with silly labels and debates when it comes to the ultimate source, and it's rare that you come across someone who will simply say "I just don't know."

Other. I believe in spiritual energy. but beyond that, well, I'm still figuring it all out for myself.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]wow , most people here are atheists ?? hmmmmmm_Ben99_

The only brainwashing done is by the church and the parents from the age of birth. You disrespect non-believers by calling us 'kids' when in reality more than likely we've all looked at the data a lot more than you and came to our own conslusions. More than likely I'm also a lot older than you.BumFluff122

I believe the dinosaurs were never killed by a meteor, but are in fact still with us, hiding behind trees and large shrubs. They come out only at night time. Doctor-McNinja

:lol:

anyway am an Atheist, and i hate the endless debates that start when people know am atheist, it's ignorant and self- centered to always think they're right.

undecided atheist...i neither believe in God, nor do I doubt the existence of a higher power 100%

Atheist.

*With 155 votes theAtheist / Agnostic / non-religious are the winners. :P

Definately not a believer of the christ god. Wōden and Thunor walk in the hills, sleep in the valleys and drink from the streams of England. I don't believe in some sand god from a country I've never been to. Anglo-Saxon paganism is the way for me, I wear Mjollnir everyday.

Definitions differ from source to source. Some state that atheismis merely a lack of belief in God, whilst others suggest that it is an active belief in the lack of God. I think they're virtually the same anyway when considering any adult, except from the rare occassions in which one is truly and entirely nuetral.MetalGear_Ninty

No, I didn't say that a lack of evidence is evidence of naught -- only that it is irrational to pursue agnosticism when there is a lack of convincing evidence.

Take the following claim: "An enemy intent on killing is situated just behind your chair holding a knife" If you were agnosticism to this claim, as you must declare yourself as such considering that such a claim is unfalsifiable, then why aren't you constantly looking behind yourself to protect yourself from such an entity? Such a course would be the rational option for those like yourself who are agnostic to the existence of such an entity. But you don't take such an action, this is because you see no evidence for it, and therefore rationally employ the belief that such a murderous does not exist straight behind yourself.

And Oxford is the most well respected source of the english language, used in universities around the world. I am more inclined to listen to them than random people on internet forums. They win in terms of credibility. Atheism, according to the proper authorities, is an active belief there is no God. If you do not hold that belief, you are improperly calling yourself an atheist. Vandalvideo

Well I do agree with OED's defintion as I already said, but I also agree that other defintions can be employed, so there is no real argument to be had here. For future reference though, your invoking of OED means almost nothing if you can't support such claims with evidence or else we are merely taking your word for it.

If anything, that is exactly when you're supposed to pursue agnosticism. Agnosticism is merely; "I do not know". You simply do not know. The mere lack of convincing evidence is not reason to say that there is no teapot. It is merely evidence to remain skeptical of a teapot. Neither to confirm nor deny. Vandalvideo

I am not talking about knowing, and rarely do people who engage in this form of discourse talk of 'knowing'. Agnosticism is a somewhat tautological, redundant term anyway because only in rare instance does anybody actually 'know' anything. Thus to decalre to the universe your state of 'not knowing' is somewhat meaningless.

An agnostic need not necessarily always check up on something. An agnostic is not tasked with trying to find the proof. An agnostic merely recognizes their own limit in seeing the truth. When someone says; "there is a guy behind your chair" you do not say "no there is not" or "yes there is" merely from suggestion. That isn't sufficient grounds to make the conclusion that there truly is or is not someone behind your chair. It is not rational to declare something is not the case merely because there is no evidence for it being the case. That is a fallacy.Vandalvideo

You're not entertaining the hypothetical though. The point of my scenario is not to demonstrate whether the subject knows or does not know whether he has an enemy behind him, but rather to conveythe absurdity that would ensue from adopting a position of agnosticism to the existence of the enemy.

If you chose to maintain the position of agnosticism in this scenario, and valued your survival, you'd inevitably be forced to be constantly looking over your shoulder to at least try and protect yourself from an ensuing attack. Afterall, 'no evidence of his existence,is not evidence of his non-existence''.

Agnostic

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]wow , most people here are atheists ?? hmmmmmm_Ben99_

No. I have a question for you. Why bring this onto a website with gamers? Lol, that's so stupid...Most of the people here will obviously be athiest.

...I'm a Presbyterian fyi.

No. I have a question for you. Why bring this onto a website with gamers? Lol, that's so stupid...Most of the people here will obviously be athiest.

...I'm a Presbyterian fyi.

-Pro-Link-

I'm Christian but my beliefs are generally different from most Christian hypocrites I know.

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No. I have a question for you. Why bring this onto a website with gamers? Lol, that's so stupid...Most of the people here will obviously be athiest.

...I'm a Presbyterian fyi.

W1ckedGo0se

Lol, because EVERYONE it seems is on here looking for an argument instead of a good time. Look, most likely you'll say something now extremely defensive and try to start something. It's Gamespot...Where most of the people are gamers. :P

I'd been a devout Catholic for over 30 years but I'm now a "soft" atheist since God no longer makes sense IMHO. The only religion that I'm interested in atm is Buddhism (and maybe Confucianism and Taoism)

I'd been a devout Catholic for over 30 years but I'm now a "soft" atheist since God no longer makes sense IMHO. The only religion that I'm interested in atm is Buddhism (and maybe Confucianism and Taoism)

Zensword

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I'd been a devout Catholic for over 30 years but I'm now a "soft" atheist since God no longer makes sense IMHO. The only religion that I'm interested in atm is Buddhism (and maybe Confucianism and Taoism)

trust_nobody

Sorry I honestly dont get the joke of your good friend.

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I'd been a devout Catholic for over 30 years but I'm now a "soft" atheist since God no longer makes sense IMHO. The only religion that I'm interested in atm is Buddhism (and maybe Confucianism and Taoism)

Zensword

Sorry I honestly dont get the joke of your good friend.

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I met a hotdog vendor one time that was Buddhist.

He made me one with everything :P

(all credit for that joke goes to my good friend Bryan aka chAng)

trust_nobody

Sorry I honestly dont get the joke of your good friend.

To be frank, it's not funny.BTW, when I buyhotdogs, I only get a little bit ketchup and sliced jalapeno.

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Sorry I honestly dont get the joke of your good friend.

Zensword

To be frank, it's not funny.BTW, when I buyhotdogs, I only get a little bit ketchup and sliced jalapeno.

I'm an agnostic atheist.

wow, more atheists that have voted in the poll, thought there would be more of christiansThe_Last_Ride

I expected that. There seems to always be more Atheists than Christians here on GS at least. Every time the higher number usually involves Atheism. I'm still happy to be a Christian though. :P

Catholic.

wow, more atheists that have voted in the poll, thought there would be more of christiansThe_Last_Ride

Atheist =/= agnostic

That 52% on the poll is made up of atheists, aganostics, and non-religious people, not just atheists. And since 28% (more than half the number of atheists/agnostics/etc.) voted Christian or Catholic, I think it's safe to assume the difference isn't really that big.