US evangelical Christians accused of promoting hom*phobia in Africa

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/24/evangelical-christians-homophobia-africa

Christian evangelical groups in the US are attempting a "cultural colonisation" of Africa, opening offices in numerous countries to promote attacks on homosexuality and abortion, according to an investigation by a liberal thinktank.

American religious organisations are expanding their operations across the continent, lobbying for conservative policies and laws and fanning homophobia, argues the Boston-based Political Research Associates (PRA).

The groups include the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), founded by the televangelist Pat Robertson, which has established bases in Kenya and Zimbabwe.

"The religious right [in effect] claims that human rights activists are neocolonialists out to destroy Africa," the report states. Groups named in it vehemently rejected the claims.

It identified three organisations it believes are aggressively targeting the continent: Robertson's ACLJ, the Catholic group Human Life International and Family Watch International, led by the Mormon activist Sharon Slater.

Each of these "frame their agendas as authentically African, in an effort to brand human rights advocacy as a new colonialism bent on destroying cultural traditions and values", the report says.

This is where we should be handing out 1984 books to these people instead of bibles. Their minds are being twisted and they literally have absolutely no clue.

But then again, it could be to their benefit to at least support what the white man is doing in their country because any support is more support than they get... if that makes any sense I am really tired. Can't go to bed though.

Homophobia is now anyone who thinks Homosexuality is wrong.

Religious organisations promoting their agenda at the expense of a population's stability and welfare is nothing new.

Homophobia is now anyone who thinks Homosexuality is wrong.

Philokalia

If I think being black is wrong is it racist? Of course it is

If I think being a woman is wrong is it sexist?

What makes this any different?

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

Homophobia is now anyone who thinks Homosexuality is wrong.

toast_burner

If I think being black is wrong is it racist? Of course it is

If I think being a woman is wrong is it sexist?

What makes this any different?

1.thinking being a woman is wrong is being gay...sexism usually defines that you think women are beneath you, cannot do what men can...etc not that they are wrong...
2.Racism is usually that because they are of a different ethnicity then you you think they are horrible evil people, make up stereo types...etc so no thinking something is wrong isn't racist, sexist or homophobic its when you do something and try to denegrate said people that it becomes such.

P.S: africans are open mined about men having sex with men? this is news to me...

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

Homophobia is now anyone who thinks Homosexuality is wrong.

WilliamRLBaker

If I think being black is wrong is it racist? Of course it is

If I think being a woman is wrong is it sexist?

What makes this any different?

WTF are you talking about?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

If I think being black is wrong is it racist? Of course it is

If I think being a woman is wrong is it sexist?

What makes this any different?

toast_burner

WTF are you talking about?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] .... 1.thinking being a woman is being gay...sexism usually defines that you think women are beneath you, cannot do what men can...etc not that they are wrong... 2.Racism is usually that because they are of a different ethnicity then you you think they are horrible evil people, make up stereo types...etc so no thinking something is wrong isn't racist, sexist or homophobic its when you do something and try to degenerate said people that it becomes such. P.S: africans are open mined about men having sex with men? this is news to me...WilliamRLBaker

WTF are you talking about?

When did I mention anything about thinking a women is gay When did I say homosexuality is accepted in Africa? Over half your post as no relevence to anything.

Also thinking a innate characteristic about someone is wrong does mean you think they're below you, how could you possibly think you're equal but say you're right and they're wrong?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

WTF are you talking about?

toast_burner

When did I mention anything about thinking a women is gay When did I say homosexuality is accepted in Africa? Over half your post as no relevence to anything.

Also thinking a innate characteristic about someone is wrong does mean you think they're below you, how could you possibly think you're equal but say you're right and they're wrong?

*sighs* you are a freaking moron you didn't even go up and read the redit.

1.THINKING BEING A WOMAN IS WRONG IS BEING GAY....I.E if you are a man and you think women are wrong you never want to see them...etc obviously your gay.

2.P.S: does not refer to you it refers to the topic at hand you would think you'd be able understand that.....White christians going to africa teaching homophobia where in most african rural villages the village chief would likely have his gay son or other gay men of the tribe exiled or worse?

3.equality has nothing to do with racism except for the natural affect racism has and thus equality..one can think of another as unequal and still treat them with some form of respect or kindness. I do not think a murderer or child molestor is equal to me but I wouldn't kill them, harras them, or hurt them. *not equating murderers or child molestors to black people by the way* one can think another is wrong and tolerate them it is when one acts upon those beliefs in a violent or denegrating way toward the subject of those beliefs that they become racist, homophobic, sexist.

It is the messed up Politically correct evolution of our world that we have to accept every one for every thing and not just tolerate them they have mixed acceptance and tolerance up.

Homophobia is now anyone who thinks Homosexuality is wrong.

Philokalia

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

Homophobia is now anyone who thinks Homosexuality is wrong.

Aljosa23

Homophobia is now anyone who thinks Homosexuality is wrong.

Philokalia

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

Homophobia is now anyone who thinks Homosexuality is wrong.

mindstorm

yup..that's the plan of Christians...head to Africa and create the African Anti-Homosexual Uprising...busted....as soon as I saw "a Liberal Think-tank reports"....I just ignored it....I'm sure there's some asshat there who said something..but there's not systematic effort....hence no story.....Omni-Slash

Would it really surprise you if it's true? Remember when the catholic church said that condoms cause AIDS, I wonder how many people died from AIDS due to the lies spread by them. But let me guess that never actually happened and was made up to make the church look bad.

THINKING BEING A WOMAN IS WRONG IS BEING GAY....I.E if you are a man and you think women are wrong you never want to see them...etc obviously your gay.WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

Homophobia is now anyone who thinks Homosexuality is wrong.

mindstorm

Try this. Ask many of your homosexual friends if it is a choice to be one; you'll find out they don't have a choice of choosing their sexuality.

And when exactly did you choose your sexuality? Most likely when you were going through puberty, you started getting attracted to females; in homosexual males just the opposite occurs.

Despite homosexuality not be a choice for a majority of people, why does God make this a sin?

Would it really surprise you if it's true? Remember when the catholic church said that condoms cause AIDS, I wonder how many people died from AIDS due to the lies spread by them. But let me guess that never actually happened and was made up to make the church look bad.

toast_burner

Bigoted sh!theads.

Homophobia is now anyone who thinks Homosexuality is wrong.

Philokalia

Well from the news I've heard Africa both the Muslim and Christian parts is already extremely homophobic, so these missionaries should just focus on building schools and giving people food. Perhaps burn the bibile as fire starter as well instead of making people think that a supposedly loving god will join these poor souls in the afterlife after condeming them to a life of poverty and suffering.

Well from the news I've heard Africa both the Muslim and Christian parts is already extremely homophobic, so these missionaries should just focus on building schools and giving people food. Perhaps burn the bibile as fire starter as well instead of making people think that a supposedly loving god will join these poor souls in the afterlife after condeming them to a life of poverty and suffering.

BossPerson

Reminds me of this article

I don't think anyone has to convince those in Africa anything about homosexuality. They seem to have their own ideas already.LJS9502_basic

True, but if anything, these evangelists are just adding more fuel to the fire.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Well, duh?

Omni-Wrath

Try this. Ask many of your homosexual friends if it is a choice to be one; you'll find out they don't have a choice of choosing their sexuality.

And when exactly did you choose your sexuality? Most likely when you were going through puberty, you started getting attracted to females; in homosexual males just the opposite occurs.

Despite homosexuality not be a choice for a majority of people, why does God make this a sin?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't think anyone has to convince those in Africa anything about homosexuality. They seem to have their own ideas already.ghoklebutter

True, but if anything, these evangelists are just adding more fuel to the fire.

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] Then how is it that I have so many friends who are homosexuals? mindstorm

Try this. Ask many of your homosexual friends if it is a choice to be one; you'll find out they don't have a choice of choosing their sexuality.

And when exactly did you choose your sexuality? Most likely when you were going through puberty, you started getting attracted to females; in homosexual males just the opposite occurs.

Despite homosexuality not be a choice for a majority of people, why does God make this a sin?

He didn't say sin is easy to overcome, he asked why is it a sin in the first place.

In my opinion it should still be classed as a mental disorder seahorse123

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] Then how is it that I have so many friends who are homosexuals? mindstorm

Try this. Ask many of your homosexual friends if it is a choice to be one; you'll find out they don't have a choice of choosing their sexuality.

And when exactly did you choose your sexuality? Most likely when you were going through puberty, you started getting attracted to females; in homosexual males just the opposite occurs.

Despite homosexuality not be a choice for a majority of people, why does God make this a sin?

If you think it is possible that it is a choice, why do you think someone would choose to be gay?

And if it's not a choice, that how does it make sense for God to label it a sin?

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

Try this. Ask many of your homosexual friends if it is a choice to be one; you'll find out they don't have a choice of choosing their sexuality.

And when exactly did you choose your sexuality? Most likely when you were going through puberty, you started getting attracted to females; in homosexual males just the opposite occurs.

Despite homosexuality not be a choice for a majority of people, why does God make this a sin?

GreySeal9

If you think it is possible that it is a choice, why do you think someone would choose to be gay?

And if it's not a choice, that how does it make sense for God to label it a sin?

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

Try this. Ask many of your homosexual friends if it is a choice to be one; you'll find out they don't have a choice of choosing their sexuality.

And when exactly did you choose your sexuality? Most likely when you were going through puberty, you started getting attracted to females; in homosexual males just the opposite occurs.

Despite homosexuality not be a choice for a majority of people, why does God make this a sin?

toast_burner

He didn't say sin is easy to overcome, he asked why is it a sin in the first place.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] I honestly do not know if it is a choice or not. However, it certainly is a choice whether or not they will be in a sexually active relationship. But as for me personally, I remember as early as age 5 that the reason I liked girls was because I was supposed to like girls. The only reason why I found guys repulsive was because it was socially frowned upon. Only as time progressed was my reasoning to be a heterosexual because of my attractions. Also, you presuppose that sin is easy to overcome. Never are we promised to easily be able to conquer sin in this life.mindstorm

He didn't say sin is easy to overcome, he asked why is it a sin in the first place.

You haven't answered the question, if god doesn't like gays, why does he make some people gay?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] I honestly do not know if it is a choice or not. However, it certainly is a choice whether or not they will be in a sexually active relationship. But as for me personally, I remember as early as age 5 that the reason I liked girls was because I was supposed to like girls. The only reason why I found guys repulsive was because it was socially frowned upon. Only as time progressed was my reasoning to be a heterosexual because of my attractions. Also, you presuppose that sin is easy to overcome. Never are we promised to easily be able to conquer sin in this life.LJS9502_basic

If you think it is possible that it is a choice, why do you think someone would choose to be gay?

And if it's not a choice, that how does it make sense for God to label it a sin?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] I honestly do not know if it is a choice or not. However, it certainly is a choice whether or not they will be in a sexually active relationship. But as for me personally, I remember as early as age 5 that the reason I liked girls was because I was supposed to like girls. The only reason why I found guys repulsive was because it was socially frowned upon. Only as time progressed was my reasoning to be a heterosexual because of my attractions. Also, you presuppose that sin is easy to overcome. Never are we promised to easily be able to conquer sin in this life.LJS9502_basic

If you think it is possible that it is a choice, why do you think someone would choose to be gay?

And if it's not a choice, that how does it make sense for God to label it a sin?

Well, since I was responding to mindstorm, I was arguing against his viewpoint, which is that it is a sin.

But do you think mindstorm is wrong?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

If you think it is possible that it is a choice, why do you think someone would choose to be gay?

And if it's not a choice, that how does it make sense for God to label it a sin?

mindstorm

Why?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

If you think it is possible that it is a choice, why do you think someone would choose to be gay?

And if it's not a choice, that how does it make sense for God to label it a sin?

GreySeal9

Well, since I was responding to mindstorm, I was arguing against his viewpoint, which is that it is a sin.

But do you think mindstorm is wrong?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

If you think it is possible that it is a choice, why do you think someone would choose to be gay?

And if it's not a choice, that how does it make sense for God to label it a sin?

mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

He didn't say sin is easy to overcome, he asked why is it a sin in the first place.

toast_burner

You haven't answered the question, if god doesn't like gays, why does he make some people gay?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]FYI....being a homosexual is not labeled a sin. LJS9502_basic

Well, since I was responding to mindstorm, I was arguing against his viewpoint, which is that it is a sin.

But do you think mindstorm is wrong?

So gay sex is okay if the two gay parties are married?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]FYI....being a homosexual is not labeled a sin. LJS9502_basic

Well, since I was responding to mindstorm, I was arguing against his viewpoint, which is that it is a sin.

But do you think mindstorm is wrong?

[QUOTE="seahorse123"]In my opinion it should still be classed as a mental disorder toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="seahorse123"]In my opinion it should still be classed as a mental disorder seahorse123

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] Because it is a perversion of what marriage supposed to be: a symbol for how God interacts with his people. An example of what this is to look like is shown in Ephesians 5:28-31, "In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.' This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church."mindstorm

You haven't answered the question, if god doesn't like gays, why does he make some people gay?

Earlier you posted a verse saying that a man should love his wife, if god wants people to love their wives why would he create them so that they are inable to love them? All you're doing is saying what people should do, not how or why.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Well, since I was responding to mindstorm, I was arguing against his viewpoint, which is that it is a sin.

But do you think mindstorm is wrong?

GreySeal9

So gay sex is okay if one is married?

[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Why?ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="seahorse123"]In my opinion it should still be classed as a mental disorder seahorse123

A mental illness has to be negative, if it doesn't cause any harm then it can't possibly be a illness.