South Dakota becomes first state to let teachers carry guns in classrooms

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#51 SolidTy
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New way to chastise :

Russian Roulette for the first kid to interrupt in class.

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don't worry, they are blanks...but the kids learn pygathorian theorem faster.

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#52 Crunchy_Nuts
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This is a good way to maintain discipline in the classroom.
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#53 CJL13
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To prevent school shootings, we need guns in schools. Yep makes sense.

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#54 mmwmwmmwmwmm
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I completely support this. How many mass shootings do we need before people understand that criminals aren't going to stop what they're doing just because they're in a no shooting zone? A teacher has a right to defend himself and his students against a murderer.
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#55 Admiral-lemnant
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*looks at performance ratings of american students*

hmm, the people responsible for that is who you want armed?

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#56 one_plum
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The set is not complete without kevlar vests for everyone in the classroom. Helmets can be an optional accessory.

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#57 Moriarity_
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Well that's one more place on Earth that I'm never going to.
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#58 hartsickdiscipl
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To prevent school shootings, we need guns in schools. Yep makes sense.

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#59 mmwmwmmwmwmm
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Well that's one more place on Earth that I'm never going to.Moriarity_
If you're in a classroom and some maniac with a guns runs in and starts shooting everyone down, are you safer with an armed teacher or an unarmed teacher?

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#60 Ring_of_fire
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[QUOTE="CJL13"]

To prevent school shootings, we need guns in schools. Yep makes sense.

hartsickdiscipl

 

Ever heard of fighting fire with fire?

Just because a teacher has a firearm, does not mean that teacher would be able to use it effectively in a stressful situation. :|
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#61 Optical_Order
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Can you imagine some bratty little 8th grader getting underneath the skin of some poorly trained teacher who might be unstable (who keeps all of their sanity teaching kids that age?) and puts a bullet in him? 

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#62 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="CJL13"]

To prevent school shootings, we need guns in schools. Yep makes sense.

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Ever heard of fighting fire with fire?

Just because a teacher has a firearm, does not mean that teacher would be able to use it effectively in a stressful situation. :|

 

It doesn't mean they wouldn't either.  

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#63 leviathan91
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

*looks at performance ratings of american students*

hmm, the people responsible for that is who you want armed?

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And you are blaming the teachers for that? They have one of the most difficult jobs any citizen can do, yet they are paid pretty crappy. Perhaps they'd be a lot more moviated to work if they had a bit more to eat. I guarantee you that student performance rating will go slightly up. 

Actually American teachers are paid well. The problem has to do more with funding, lack of resources, and inability for families to transfer their students from a failing school to a better school without having to be forced to move.

That said, this whole thing is an overreaction. Schools are some of the safest places for students to be and these shootings are just outliers. Sh*t happens and that's what life is unfortunately. We're bound to the randomness of the universe.

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#64 Shmiity
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Can't wait for something bad to happen. This is not a good idea.

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#65 DanteSuikoden
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In a state with lax gun laws, wouldn't this already have been allowed?

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#66 lo_Pine
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Mostly white populated state. This shouldn't be a problem.
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#67 worlock77
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I've seen teachers lose their cool and hit students, so no, I don't think this is really a good idea.

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#69 worlock77
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Mostly white populated state. This shouldn't be a problem.lo_Pine

What exactly is this suppose to mean?

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#70 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]Mostly white populated state. This shouldn't be a problem.worlock77

What exactly is this suppose to mean?

The irony is that most serial killers or mass murderers from the US are white.

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#71 ShuLordLiuPei
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Finally.

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#72 Jacobistheman
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The only thing that scares me about this is students stealing the guns. I can't find an instance where a teacher shot students in the classroom even though in most schools there is nothing (other than laws) preventing a teacher from bringing in a gun to schools. I don't see why this would change that. 

This law very well could have prevented/minimized previous school shootings. 

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#73 00-Riddick-00
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Huh.. Maybe kids won't act out so much during school now? Win win?
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#74 DroidPhysX
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Huh.. Maybe kids won't act out so much during school now? Win win?00-Riddick-00
Yeah, CCA would love it.
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[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Huh.. Maybe kids won't act out so much during school now? Win win?DroidPhysX
Yeah, CCA would love it.

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#76 helwa1988
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Honestly being someone who works in education I wouldn't mind carry a gun. With all these schools shooting you need to be caution.
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#77 Deadpool-n
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Anyone who has a gun in a setting like that should be required to go through a proper training course, not just shooting the gun but a type of obstacle course designed to help them handle a situation that could come up to ensure they don't shoot an innocent. I doubt they have the training.

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#78 Razor-Lazor
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Ridiculous. Students could easily get their hands on weapons if allowed in the classroom. This will not end well.
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#79 needled24-7
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this is f*cking stupid. they must have been thinking, "hmmm, we need a way to prevent school shootings.. i got it! let's put more guns in schools! that should work."

i'm sure there's no way this could go wrong. i'm sure a rebellious student would NEVER try to take the gun from the teacher.....

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#80 dercoo
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New way to chastise :

Russian Roulette for the first kid to interrupt in class.

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don't worry, they are blanks...but the kids learn pygathorian theorem faster.

SolidTy

Russian roulette with 454:|

***** its like having 2 Dirty Harry's shooting at you.

 

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#81 mmwmwmmwmwmm
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Ridiculous. Students could easily get their hands on weapons if allowed in the classroom. This will not end well.Razor-Lazor
If it is really that easy to disarm someone and take the weapon for yourself, then why didn't anyone do that to the Sandy Hook shooter?
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#82 mmwmwmmwmwmm
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this is f*cking stupid. they must have been thinking, "hmmm, we need a way to prevent school shootings.. i got it! let's put more guns in schools! that should work."

i'm sure there's no way this could go wrong. i'm sure a rebellious student would NEVER try to take the gun from the teacher.....

needled24-7
How is a student going to steal anything from a teacher who has a gun?
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[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]Ridiculous. Students could easily get their hands on weapons if allowed in the classroom. This will not end well.mmwmwmmwmwmm
If it is really that easy to disarm someone and take the weapon for yourself, then why didn't anyone do that to the Sandy Hook shooter?

That was one incident involving one shooter with a mentally unstable person holding a weapon and shooting anything in his path. I imagine that the teachers in South Dakota will not even be holding the weapon at all times but instead keep it in a locked drawer or something similar that kids could potentially break into. Plus, if the teachers were holding the weapon and had it on them, they are unprepared, untrained, and likely unwilling to shoot at the first sign of danger. Disarming them would be simple. Now multiply that situation by hundreds of schools and maybe you'll see the difference.
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[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. The only people that should be allowed to carry a gun in school is security.thegerg
What makes you think that security guards would be any better with guns than teachers?

While I'm not necessarily advocating security guards in school, either, I'm going to state the obvious when I say that security guards' main job is to know how to operate a gun. They are well-trained and well-educated in it. Teachers are not.
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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. The only people that should be allowed to carry a gun in school is security.Razor-Lazor
What makes you think that security guards would be any better with guns than teachers?

While I'm not necessarily advocating security guards in school, either, I'm going to state the obvious when I say that security guards' main job is to know how to operate a gun. They are well-trained and well-educated in it. Teachers are not.

The training to become an armed security guard isn't intensive. I think the state with the strictest policy on armed security is New York and even they only require a 48 hour course. Remember that is the strictest, some states have four hour courses required to get an armed guard permit.

 

Again, people here are wildly overestimating the training required to be able to defend yourself with a firearm. 

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[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. The only people that should be allowed to carry a gun in school is security.thegerg
What makes you think that security guards would be any better with guns than teachers?

Mainly because they'll be more likely have more training operating a gun in a more stressful situation than an average teacher.
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#91 Leejjohno
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If a kid steals a gun from a teacher and shoots people with it I want to be known as the guy who called it first.

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[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]Ridiculous. Students could easily get their hands on weapons if allowed in the classroom. This will not end well.mmwmwmmwmwmm
If it is really that easy to disarm someone and take the weapon for yourself, then why didn't anyone do that to the Sandy Hook shooter?

Whoever said anything about disarming the teacher? You think students won't look in a teacher's desk while they're out of the room?

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[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"][QUOTE="thegerg"] What makes you think that security guards would be any better with guns than teachers?UnknownSniper65

While I'm not necessarily advocating security guards in school, either, I'm going to state the obvious when I say that security guards' main job is to know how to operate a gun. They are well-trained and well-educated in it. Teachers are not.

The training to become an armed security guard isn't intensive. I think the state with the strictest policy on armed security is New York and even they only require a 48 hour course. Remember that is the strictest, some states have four hour courses required to get an armed guard permit.

 

Again, people here are wildly overestimating the training required to be able to defend yourself with a firearm. 

4 hour course > no course at all
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[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]Ridiculous. Students could easily get their hands on weapons if allowed in the classroom. This will not end well.Razor-Lazor
If it is really that easy to disarm someone and take the weapon for yourself, then why didn't anyone do that to the Sandy Hook shooter?

That was one incident involving one shooter with a mentally unstable person holding a weapon and shooting anything in his path. I imagine that the teachers in South Dakota will not even be holding the weapon at all times but instead keep it in a locked drawer or something similar that kids could potentially break into. Plus, if the teachers were holding the weapon and had it on them, they are unprepared, untrained, and likely unwilling to shoot at the first sign of danger. Disarming them would be simple. Now multiply that situation by hundreds of schools and maybe you'll see the difference.

Actually, it will be one their body, like every other concealed handgun permit holder
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This isn't going to end well

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#96 MgamerBD
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Needs moar guns!
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#97 mmwmwmmwmwmm
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Needs moar guns!MgamerBD
Please explain how you stop a killer with a gun if you don't have a gun. I realize you don't have an answer to this, but you seem so smug that I just want to make you look stupid.
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[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]Ridiculous. Students could easily get their hands on weapons if allowed in the classroom. This will not end well.worlock77

If it is really that easy to disarm someone and take the weapon for yourself, then why didn't anyone do that to the Sandy Hook shooter?

Whoever said anything about disarming the teacher? You think students won't look in a teacher's desk while they're out of the room?

Do you really think a teacher would leave a gun in his desk while he was outside of the room?
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[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]Ridiculous. Students could easily get their hands on weapons if allowed in the classroom. This will not end well.Razor-Lazor
If it is really that easy to disarm someone and take the weapon for yourself, then why didn't anyone do that to the Sandy Hook shooter?

That was one incident involving one shooter with a mentally unstable person holding a weapon and shooting anything in his path. I imagine that the teachers in South Dakota will not even be holding the weapon at all times but instead keep it in a locked drawer or something similar that kids could potentially break into. Plus, if the teachers were holding the weapon and had it on them, they are unprepared, untrained, and likely unwilling to shoot at the first sign of danger. Disarming them would be simple. Now multiply that situation by hundreds of schools and maybe you'll see the difference.

Each school should have its own gun policy. I cannot imagine a school allowing anyone without proper gun-training to actually keep a gun.
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#100 worlock77
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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Needs moar guns!mmwmwmmwmwmm
Please explain how you stop a killer with a gun if you don't have a gun. I realize you don't have an answer to this, but you seem so smug that I just want to make you look stupid.

Michael Carneal, the Heath high school (West Paducah, Ky) shooter was stopped without a gun. Yeah I realize that might be a unique case, but still it has been done.