Rob Woodall On Medicare: 'When Do I Decide I'm Going To Take Care Of Me?'

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I'm still waiting on a viable Republican proposal as well. Shifting the rising costs onto fixed income seniors IS NOT a solution.airshocker

Shifting the costs to anybody isn't a solution.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]You mean actually funding the programs we want? I believe it involves a sensible tax structure. Let's start by letting the Bush tax cuts expire and ending all subsidies. Republicans should at least like the subsidies part as they're all for a free market.... I wonder why they voted against ending oil subsidies?mattbbpl

Your idea of a sensible tax structure isn't the same as mine, though I was speaking more towards the fact that medicare is costing us more and more every year. What do the Democrats suggest we do about that?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

Your idea of a sensible tax structure isn't the same as mine, though I was speaking more towards the fact that medicare is costing us more and more every year. What do the Democrats suggest we do about that?

Nibroc420

That is a somewhat arrogant thing to say given the incredible medical coverage that any member of congress gets. Take that away from them and give them the standard medicare i say.

sonicare

I think the affordable care act does this. Members of congress will be forced to buy plans from the exchanges and presumably use medicare when over 65.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

We can stop repeating the intellectually devoid mantra of "TAXES BAD", for starters. The American public wants taxes raised; the only people who still don't get it are Republicans. Increased revenue would go a long way to addressing our problems.

airshocker

Really? The American people want taxes raised? I'm pretty sure we want the econony fixed, and jobs to come back to this country. Higher taxes don't really compute with that goal.

Yes indeed. 64% of Americans supported raising taxes on incomes above $250,000 in a poll from last month, and investors do not believe the deficit can be substantially cut without doing so. Congressional Republicans are completely on their own in their "no new taxes, ever" position.

I'll explain what's wrong with our healthcare system pre-'Obamacare':

People that don't have health insurance go to the hospital. They obviously cant pay for triple bypass surgery so the hospital and insurance company has to make up lost profits. Guess whos rates are going up?;)

And this is why I support the individual mandate.

I'll explain what's wrong with our healthcare system pre-'Obamacare':

People that don't have health insurance go to the hospital. They obviously cant pay for triple bypass surgery so the hospital and insurance company has to make up lost profits. Guess whos rates are going up?;)

And this is why I support the individual mandate.

DroidPhysX

That, if I recall correctly, is the reasoning judges have employed in affirming the constitutionality of the personal mandate: everyone is already participating in the healthcare system; the mandate just changes the way in which people participate.

Here is a great way to pay for medicare. Cut the miltary budget by at least 50% it is insane how much we spend on war. Also raise taxes on the rich to at least the Clinton levels though I'd prefer the rates during the Eishenhower adminstration when they were 90%

Yes indeed. 64% of Americans supported raising taxes on incomes above $250,000 in a poll from last month, and investors do not believe the deficit can be substantially cut without doing so. Congressional Republicans are completely on their own in their "no new taxes, ever" position.

GabuEx

Of course people want to raise the taxes on other people. :roll: So long as it doesn't affect them, what do they care?

Here is a great way to pay for medicare. Cut the miltary budget by at least 50% it is insane how much we spend on war. Also raise taxes on the rich to at least the Clinton levels though I'd prefer the rates during the Eishenhower adminstration when they were 90%

white_wolf922

Here is a great way to pay for medicare. Cut the miltary budget by at least 50% it is insane how much we spend on war. Also raise taxes on the rich to at least the Clinton levels though I'd prefer the rates during the Eishenhower adminstration when they were 90%

white_wolf922

So long as you don't have to pay anything out of your pocket, right?

[QUOTE="white_wolf922"]

Here is a great way to pay for medicare. Cut the miltary budget by at least 50% it is insane how much we spend on war. Also raise taxes on the rich to at least the Clinton levels though I'd prefer the rates during the Eishenhower adminstration when they were 90%

airshocker

So long as you don't have to pay anything out of your pocket, right?

[QUOTE="white_wolf922"]

Here is a great way to pay for medicare. Cut the miltary budget by at least 50% it is insane how much we spend on war. Also raise taxes on the rich to at least the Clinton levels though I'd prefer the rates during the Eishenhower adminstration when they were 90%

So long as you don't have to pay anything out of your pocket, right?

Hold on a second. I'm against the "make everyone else pay mentality", but you making these statements is surreal. You've openly stated before that you don't care about others or the future - you care about your current situation right now.

Either I misunderstood you at that time, or there's some irony to be had here.mattbbpl

I've never been for raising taxes on anybody. I'm as selfish as the next person, but I'm not in favor of raising taxes unless it's the absolute only thing that can done to fix something.

I don't care about the parts of society that only want to raise taxes on other people to pay for their services and benefits. I do, however, care about those who think it's unfair that they get saddled with the costs of everything.

I do, however, care about those who think it's unfair that they get saddled with the costs of everything.

airshocker

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

I do, however, care about those who think it's unfair that they get saddled with the costs of everything.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Yes indeed. 64% of Americans supported raising taxes on incomes above $250,000 in a poll from last month, and investors do not believe the deficit can be substantially cut without doing so. Congressional Republicans are completely on their own in their "no new taxes, ever" position.

airshocker

Of course people want to raise the taxes on other people. :roll: So long as it doesn't affect them, what do they care?

Incidentally, other people who believe that taxes need to be raised include Bill Gates and Warren Buffett.

And motivation doesn't factor into this; what I said is that the American public wants taxes to be raised, and they do.

Oh please. The ones saddled with everything are the lower and middle classes--the ones who can't afford it. Taxes on upper incomes are lower now than they have ever been and just look at how wonderfully that's been working out!Theokhoth

So...because you make over a certain amount of money you shouldn't be stood up for?

Incidentally, other people who believe that taxes need to be raised include Bill Gates and Warren Buffett.

And motivation doesn't factor into this; what I said is that the American public wants taxes to be raised, and they do.

GabuEx

They could also donate to charity more, since they have the means.

I'm not denying what you posted is true, it just reinforces what I already believe.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Oh please. The ones saddled with everything are the lower and middle classes--the ones who can't afford it. Taxes on upper incomes are lower now than they have ever been and just look at how wonderfully that's been working out!airshocker

So...because you make over a certain amount of money you shouldn't be stood up for?

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Incidentally, other people who believe that taxes need to be raised include Bill Gates and Warren Buffett.

And motivation doesn't factor into this; what I said is that the American public wants taxes to be raised, and they do.

airshocker

They could also donate to charity more, since they have the means.

I'm not denying what you posted is true, it just reinforces what I already believe.

You shouldn't play the martyr as though you're actually suffering more than people who can't afford to feed themselves, let alone go to the hospital. I thought you only cared about you, your interests, and how YOU'RE affected? Theokhoth

Answer my question.

It's within my interests to see that taxes don't get raised on anybody.

Charity is limited. Tax them more and it's the entire country that benefits.Theokhoth

No, those who benefit are the ones using the benefits. Not those of us who don't.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]You shouldn't play the martyr as though you're actually suffering more than people who can't afford to feed themselves, let alone go to the hospital. I thought you only cared about you, your interests, and how YOU'RE affected? airshocker

Answer my question.

It's within my interests to see that taxes don't get raised on anybody.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Charity is limited. Tax them more and it's the entire country that benefits.airshocker

No, those who benefit are the ones using the benefits. Not those of us who don't.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Oh please. The ones saddled with everything are the lower and middle classes--the ones who can't afford it. Taxes on upper incomes are lower now than they have ever been and just look at how wonderfully that's been working out!airshocker

So...because you make over a certain amount of money you shouldn't be stood up for?

If you make over a certain amount of money, then frankly you really don't need to be stood up for, given the extent to which special interests with loads of money influence American elections as it is already. This is a bit like saying that a schoolyard bully needs someone to stick up for him.

The economy seemed perfectly fine in the late '90s; what exactly has changed that would make it crumble to dust today if our tax rates went back to the levels they were then?

I did answer your question. It's in your interests. . .how?Theokhoth

No you didn't. Do you believe if someone makes over a certain amount of money they shouldn't be stood up for?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Charity is limited. Tax them more and it's the entire country that benefits.airshocker

No, those who benefit are the ones using the benefits. Not those of us who don't.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]I did answer your question. It's in your interests. . .how?airshocker

No you didn't. Do you believe if someone makes over a certain amount of money they shouldn't be stood up for?

If you make over a certain amount of money, then you really don't need to be stood up for, given the extent to which special interests with loads of money influence American elections as it is already.

The economy seemed perfectly fine in the late '90s; what exactly has changed that would make it crumble to dust today if our tax rates went back to the levels they were then?

GabuEx

I'm not saying our economy would crumble to dust, but it surely won't recover as fast as it would without tax increases.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

If you make over a certain amount of money, then you really don't need to be stood up for, given the extent to which special interests with loads of money influence American elections as it is already.

The economy seemed perfectly fine in the late '90s; what exactly has changed that would make it crumble to dust today if our tax rates went back to the levels they were then?

airshocker

I'm not saying our economy would crumble to dust, but it surely won't recover as fast as it would without tax increases.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

If you make over a certain amount of money, then you really don't need to be stood up for, given the extent to which special interests with loads of money influence American elections as it is already.

The economy seemed perfectly fine in the late '90s; what exactly has changed that would make it crumble to dust today if our tax rates went back to the levels they were then?

airshocker

I'm not saying our economy would crumble to dust, but it surely won't recover as fast as it would without tax increases.

That seems fine, considering that Republicans seem to have abandoned all semblance of caring about an economic recovery in lieu of caring about the deficit. :P

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

If you make over a certain amount of money, then you really don't need to be stood up for, given the extent to which special interests with loads of money influence American elections as it is already.

The economy seemed perfectly fine in the late '90s; what exactly has changed that would make it crumble to dust today if our tax rates went back to the levels they were then?

airshocker

I'm not saying our economy would crumble to dust, but it surely won't recover as fast as it would without tax increases.

Please explain how a person living in Florida would benefit from a charity operating for their demographic--but in Arizona.Theokhoth

I see your point, but I think them donating to the charities themselves would do more good than the government trying to intercede.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Please explain how a person living in Florida would benefit from a charity operating for their demographic--but in Arizona.airshocker

I see your point, but I think them donating to the charities themselves would do more good than the government trying to intercede.

Jokes right? Taxes pay for education, healthcare, welfare, streets, military... And you dont care because they dont effect you? :lol:Nibroc420

Obviously I'm talking about welfare.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Jokes right? Taxes pay for education, healthcare, welfare, streets, military... And you dont care because they dont effect you? :lol:airshocker

Obviously I'm talking about welfare.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Jokes right? Taxes pay for education, healthcare, welfare, streets, military... And you dont care because they dont effect you? :lol:airshocker

Obviously I'm talking about welfare.

I believe I never said anything whatsoever to that effect. Now YOU answer MY question.Theokhoth

How is it in my interest for us not to tax the rich? Well, for one, that's less money the government has to spend. Two, you'll never stop taxing the rich. Three, I plan on being rich one day. Four, it feels good because I've stopped the equivalent of theft from occurring. And five, I'm not a bully.

I think that's about all I've got.

[QUOTE="white_wolf922"]

Here is a great way to pay for medicare. Cut the miltary budget by at least 50% it is insane how much we spend on war. Also raise taxes on the rich to at least the Clinton levels though I'd prefer the rates during the Eishenhower adminstration when they were 90%

airshocker

So long as you don't have to pay anything out of your pocket, right?

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

If you make over a certain amount of money, then you really don't need to be stood up for, given the extent to which special interests with loads of money influence American elections as it is already.

The economy seemed perfectly fine in the late '90s; what exactly has changed that would make it crumble to dust today if our tax rates went back to the levels they were then?

Theokhoth

I'm not saying our economy would crumble to dust, but it surely won't recover as fast as it would without tax increases.

There's a graph on this subject that I quite like:

If we're supposed to be seeing a clear inverse relationship here, I have to admit that I'm not seeing one.

[QUOTE="white_wolf922"]

Here is a great way to pay for medicare. Cut the miltary budget by at least 50% it is insane how much we spend on war. Also raise taxes on the rich to at least the Clinton levels though I'd prefer the rates during the Eishenhower adminstration when they were 90%

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]I believe I never said anything whatsoever to that effect. Now YOU answer MY question.airshocker

How is it in my interest for us not to tax the rich? Well, for one, that's less money the government has to spend. Two, you'll never stop taxing the rich. Three, I plan on being rich one day. Four, it feels good because I've stopped the equivalent of theft from occurring. And five, I'm not a bully.

I think that's about all I've got.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]I believe I never said anything whatsoever to that effect. Now YOU answer MY question.airshocker

How is it in my interest for us not to tax the rich? Well, for one, that's less money the government has to spend. Two, you'll never stop taxing the rich. Three, I plan on being rich one day. Four, it feels good because I've stopped the equivalent of theft from occurring. And five, I'm not a bully.

I think that's about all I've got.

Name a single time in history where lowering taxes sped up economic development. I'll name one where the polar opposite proved true: The Great Depression.Theokhoth

It's kind of shocking that you don't believe that me, as a consumer, can spend my money much better than the government can. Aren't I stimulating the economy when I buy things...?

That's your opinion, not mine.

Welfare affects the economy, which affects you. Theokhoth

Yes, but less welfare is more beneficial to me/

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]I believe I never said anything whatsoever to that effect. Now YOU answer MY question.Theokhoth

How is it in my interest for us not to tax the rich? Well, for one, that's less money the government has to spend. Two, you'll never stop taxing the rich. Three, I plan on being rich one day. Four, it feels good because I've stopped the equivalent of theft from occurring. And five, I'm not a bully.

I think that's about all I've got.

And yet you're willing to let the government raid trust funds that people have been paying into for years (Medicare, social security, teachers' pensions), so that your taxes don't have to be raised?mattbbpl

I didn't set those programs up. Why should I have to suffer for it?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Welfare affects the economy, which affects you. airshocker

Yes, but less welfare is more beneficial to me/

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

How is it in my interest for us not to tax the rich? Well, for one, that's less money the government has to spend. Two, you'll never stop taxing the rich. Three, I plan on being rich one day. Four, it feels good because I've stopped the equivalent of theft from occurring. And five, I'm not a bully.

I think that's about all I've got.

white_wolf922