Reselling concert tickets for profit: is it immoral?

I'm talking about legal ticket resale. Some people think that it's highly immoral, others think that it's not immoral at all. What's your opinion on this?

I'm talking about legal ticket resale. I've heard some people say that it's highly immoral, and others who say that it's not immoral at all. What's your opinion on this?

bloodling

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

I'm talking about legal ticket resale. I've heard some people say that it's highly immoral, and others who say that it's not immoral at all. What's your opinion on this?

mingmao3046

As I stated, a lot of people consider it extremely immoral, so yes this is a real question.

I don't think so. Opportunist isn't necessarily immoral.

In my opinion yes but extremely beneficial to both parties: One person makes a profit and the other person doesn't have to wait in line.

The whole thing has been done before not just with tickets but also phones and gaming systems so I don't see the big deal in all of it.

why? Its normal commerce. You bought something so you should be able to sell it for a profit if a person is willing to pay.mayceV

>Tickets sold on first-come-first-served basis >Scalper buys more tickets than they want >Person who really really really wants to go to that entertainment of choice, found out there are no tickets left >Person goes to entertainment of choice hoping someone has ticket for them >Scalper offers ticket at 300-500% profit >Person begrudgingly *chooses* to spend money despite the ticket only saying regular amount >Scalper walks away richer than when he started It's smart business, what exactly is immoral about it? If you really wanted the tickets, you would have bought them back when they first went on sale like the scalper did. "Waaaahhhhh life's not fair!", says the ticket buyer. "Indeed", responded Zeviander.Zeviander

Read the back of the ticket. Technically, you are not allowed to resell it for a profit. You agree to this condition by purchasing it.harashawn

I'm talking about legal ticket resale. Some people think that it's highly immoral, others think that it's not immoral at all. What's your opinion on this?

bloodling

First sale doctrine.Zeviander

immoral yeah i guess so. Like mentioned already you aren't supposed to buy tickets just to sell them again and the concert industry is trying to combat it at every turn so clearly there's something wrong there. Its a real dick move quite frankly.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

I'm talking about legal ticket resale. Some people think that it's highly immoral, others think that it's not immoral at all. What's your opinion on this?

Jacobistheman

>Tickets sold on first-come-first-served basis >Scalper buys more tickets than they want >Person who really really really wants to go to that entertainment of choice, found out there are no tickets left >Person goes to entertainment of choice hoping someone has ticket for them >Scalper offers ticket at 300-500% profit >Person begrudgingly *chooses* to spend money despite the ticket only saying regular amount >Scalper walks away richer than when he started It's smart business, what exactly is immoral about it? If you really wanted the tickets, you would have bought them back when they first went on sale like the scalper did. "Waaaahhhhh life's not fair!", says the ticket buyer. "Indeed", responded Zeviander.Zeviander

Except that scalpers often clog the ticketing systems thus making it difficult, if not next to impossible, for ordainary fans to even access the systems to purchase tickets.

Except the scalpers somehow can the better tickets....which means something is broke with the system.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Except the scalpers somehow can the better tickets....which means something is broke with the system.Zeviander

Can't really see how anyone could think that was any more immoral than what the outfit who sold them in the first place did.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]>Tickets sold on first-come-first-served basis >Scalper buys more tickets than they want >Person who really really really wants to go to that entertainment of choice, found out there are no tickets left >Person goes to entertainment of choice hoping someone has ticket for them >Scalper offers ticket at 300-500% profit >Person begrudgingly *chooses* to spend money despite the ticket only saying regular amount >Scalper walks away richer than when he started It's smart business, what exactly is immoral about it? If you really wanted the tickets, you would have bought them back when they first went on sale like the scalper did. "Waaaahhhhh life's not fair!", says the ticket buyer. "Indeed", responded Zeviander.worlock77

Except that scalpers often clog the ticketing systems thus making it difficult, if not next to impossible, for ordainary fans to even access the systems to purchase tickets.

"Immorality" is an authoritarian concept to control individuals. Live without limits and without regrets,Rhazakna

We evolved out of that mentality when we first built houses and created societies. You can go back to live in the jungle if you feel like you don't have enough freedom, mr armchair general.

If people want to buy them then I don't see why not.ShadowsDemon

This. As long as you don' t offer it at an unreasonably high price then all people involved are gonna gain sth.

"Immorality" is an authoritarian concept to control individuals. Live without limits and without regrets,Rhazakna

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]"Immorality" is an authoritarian concept to control individuals. Live without limits and without regrets,Laihendi

Lots of people have stolen and murdered and found ways to "morally" justify it.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]"Immorality" is an authoritarian concept to control individuals. Live without limits and without regrets,worlock77

Lots of people have stolen and murdered and found ways to "morally" justify it.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]"Immorality" is an authoritarian concept to control individuals. Live without limits and without regrets,N30F3N1X

We evolved out of that mentality when we first built houses and created societies. You can go back to live in the jungle if you feel like you don't have enough freedom, mr armchair general.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Steal and murder at will. Live without limits and without regrets.ShadowsDemon

Lots of people have stolen and murdered and found ways to "morally" justify it.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]"Immorality" is an authoritarian concept to control individuals. Live without limits and without regrets,worlock77

Lots of people have stolen and murdered and found ways to "morally" justify it.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Steal and murder at will. Live without limits and without regrets.Rhazakna

Lots of people have stolen and murdered and found ways to "morally" justify it.

Not really immoral.

Supply and demand, baby

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Lots of people have stolen and murdered and found ways to "morally" justify it.

Rhazakna

"Nihilists? F*ck me. I mean say what you will about the tenants of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos."

Looks like someone needs to brush up on nihilism as a philosophy. I know you won't, though. It's much easier to just dismiss things.Rhazakna

Odd that you say that considering I believe in existential nihilism.

Perhaps you're the one who should take your head out of your ass and start looking for a bit of insight regarding how our minds work, instead of trying to use some asshat conjecture to talk about things you know nothing of.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]"Immorality" is an authoritarian concept to control individuals. Live without limits and without regrets,worlock77

Lots of people have stolen and murdered and found ways to "morally" justify it.

Morality has been an excuse for genocide, murder, and every other brutality you can name. No one is more authoritarian than someone who believes they have "morality" on their side. Rhazakna

Lack of morality would have been even worse. Herp derp.

"Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!"

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Lots of people have stolen and murdered and found ways to "morally" justify it.

Laihendi

it crushes freedom, squashes liberties and favors the few at the expense of all else.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Lots of people have stolen and murdered and found ways to "morally" justify it.

Laihendi

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Steal and murder at will. Live without limits and without regrets.supa_badman

Lots of people have stolen and murdered and found ways to "morally" justify it.

What?

it crushes freedom, squashes liberties and favors the few at the expense of all else.

worlock77

Your freedom ends where the freedom of others begins.

And people who work harder towards a field or discipline should be favored over those that invest less or nothing into it.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]Looks like someone needs to brush up on nihilism as a philosophy. I know you won't, though. It's much easier to just dismiss things.N30F3N1X

Odd that you say that considering I believe in existential nihilism.

Perhaps you're the one who should take your head out of your ass and start looking for a bit of insight regarding how our minds work, instead of trying to use some asshat conjecture to talk about things you know nothing of.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

it crushes freedom, squashes liberties and favors the few at the expense of all else.

N30F3N1X

Your freedom ends where the freedom of others begins.

And people who work harder towards a field or discipline should be favored over those that invest less or nothing into it.

Neither of those have anything to do with my point.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]Morality has been an excuse for genocide, murder, and every other brutality you can name. No one is more authoritarian than someone who believes they have "morality" on their side. N30F3N1X

Lack of morality would have been even worse. Herp derp.

"Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!"

[QUOTE="supa_badman"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Lots of people have stolen and murdered and found ways to "morally" justify it.

worlock77

What?

We evolved out of that mentality when we first built houses and created societies. You can go back to live in the jungle if you feel like you don't have enough freedom, mr armchair general.N30F3N1X

Steal and murder at will. Live without limits and without regrets.Laihendi

You're a nihilist, but you believe there are ways people "ought" to act? I never made any claim about people's minds, so that's a non-sequitor. What we understand as "morality" may be inherent to some degree, but that doesn't mean those ideas should control our actions on an individual level.Rhazakna

I said I believe in existential nihilism. Life itself means nothing to me.

What do you mean you never made any claim about people's minds?

"Immorality" is an authoritarian conceptYou

Herp derp?

Then try to live a day using lack of integrity, dishonesty and unfairness as your principles. Tell me how well that works out for you.

Neither of those have anything to do with my point.

worlock77

Of course they do. You're saying how bad authoritarianism is and why you'd like to get rid of it, and I'm saying why it is here.

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[QUOTE="supa_badman"] Stealing and murdering is better to justify when you just feel like it?supa_badman

What?

You'll have to explain how it's a sh*tty answer first.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]Morality has been an excuse for genocide, murder, and every other brutality you can name. No one is more authoritarian than someone who believes they have "morality" on their side. Rhazakna

Lack of morality would have been even worse. Herp derp.

"Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!"