Religious people and atheists should watch this short film.

It was directed by Tom Sokalski. His short films are quite good and very well shot. Anyway personally this is the best and most intriguing short film I have ever seen, watch it and share your thoughts and opinions. The guy who plays the devil is a really talented actor.

The song when the credits roll is Nirvana - Lake of Fire.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who fasely believe they are free.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBMeXuH_bd8

taters gonna tatelloveLamp

No thanks, I don't need anymore propaganda in my life.

1. Is this supposed to be Christian? if so why the language?

2. If it is Christian, it is typical of the horrific theology common in the modern visible church.

3. From an atheistic perspective, I saw nothing that might change someone's mind. Actually, mosts modern atheists should be able to rip it to shreds.

1. Is this supposed to be Christian? if so why the language?

2. If it is Christian, it is typical of the horrific theology common in the modern visible church.

3. From an atheistic perspective, I saw nothing that might change someone's mind. Actually, mosts modern atheists should be able to rip it to shreds.

maheo30

Then don't watch the guys video then dude, no need to be an ahole.

I didn't thik he was a good actor at all and the video wasn't very original either.

I love how none of the questions posed by the movie were fully addressed.

I also love that the moral is to not be freethinker or else you'll go to hell, which the video offered no evidence for.

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

1. Is this supposed to be Christian? if so why the language?

2. If it is Christian, it is typical of the horrific theology common in the modern visible church.

3. From an atheistic perspective, I saw nothing that might change someone's mind. Actually, mosts modern atheists should be able to rip it to shreds.

PrototypeTheKid

Then don't watch the guys video then dude, no need to be an ahole.

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

1. Is this supposed to be Christian? if so why the language?

2. If it is Christian, it is typical of the horrific theology common in the modern visible church.

3. From an atheistic perspective, I saw nothing that might change someone's mind. Actually, mosts modern atheists should be able to rip it to shreds.

PrototypeTheKid

Then don't watch the guys video then dude, no need to be an ahole.

oh you do wike it when people crwitisize you beweefs? you poor boy.

[QUOTE="PrototypeTheKid"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

1. Is this supposed to be Christian? if so why the language?

2. If it is Christian, it is typical of the horrific theology common in the modern visible church.

3. From an atheistic perspective, I saw nothing that might change someone's mind. Actually, mosts modern atheists should be able to rip it to shreds.

maheo30

Then don't watch the guys video then dude, no need to be an ahole.

You atheist talk a tough game online, but without your **** google, you'd just be another stammering clown. Just don't talk to me kid.

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

[QUOTE="PrototypeTheKid"]

Then don't watch the guys video then dude, no need to be an ahole.

PrototypeTheKid

You atheist talk a tough game online, but without your **** google, you'd just be another stammering clown. Just don't talk to me kid.

"these are not the thoughts of a dead atheist these are the thoughts of a living christian"

i thought that youtube comment hit the nail on the head.

"these are not the thoughts of a dead atheist these are the thoughts of a living christian"

i thought that youtube comment hit the nail on the head.

Phaze-Two

Hitchens on free will Christianity

Let me add, the view espoused by that speaker at the beginning IS NOT historic Christianity. It is popular today but has only been around about 150 years if that. It is basically something new.

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

"these are not the thoughts of a dead atheist these are the thoughts of a living christian"

i thought that youtube comment hit the nail on the head.

maheo30

Hitchens on free will Christianity

Let me add, the view espoused by that speaker at the beginning IS NOT historic Christianity. It is popular today but has only been around about 150 years if that. It is basically something new.

i really don't care. from my point of view. religions are constantly changing, it's not my perogative to keep track of what version of a religion is the "real one" and which one isn't. it's the old No true Scotsman argument. its irrelevant to me.

This is fail. Why is god depicted as the Christian god?

It's one thing to debate the existence of a god, but once you bring in a specific god, you're not just saying god exists, you're saying "god exists and you know him"

To an atheist, you need to prove why all other gods are false, before you claim yours is true.

It was worth watching I guess but I don't really understand the point of the video. dkdk999

This is fail. Why is god depicted as the Christian god?

It's one thing to debate the existence of a god, but once you bring in a specific god, you're not just saying god exists, you're saying "god exists and you know him"

To an atheist, you need to prove why all other gods are false, before you claim yours is true.

Blue-Sky

Well, if you are going to assume a God exists, the Christian one has the most developed philosophical and theological tradition behind it. Obviously for atheists the first big leap is going to be belief in the supernatural.

[QUOTE="lloveLamp"]taters gonna tateMike-uk

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

This is fail. Why is god depicted as the Christian god?

It's one thing to debate the existence of a god, but once you bring in a specific god, you're not just saying god exists, you're saying "god exists and you know him"

To an atheist, you need to prove why all other gods are false, before you claim yours is true.

GIJames248

Well, if you are going to assume a God exists, the Christian one has the most developed philosophical and theological tradition behind it. Obviously for atheists the first big leap is going to be belief in the supernatural.

a tradition that started in ancient egypt before christianity even began!

the religion that i would believe in (and you'd know this if you could understand the mindset of a skeptic) is the one with sufficiant evidence to support it. period.

the more extraordinary the claim the more extraordinary the evidence needs to be.

[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

This is fail. Why is god depicted as the Christian god?

It's one thing to debate the existence of a god, but once you bring in a specific god, you're not just saying god exists, you're saying "god exists and you know him"

To an atheist, you need to prove why all other gods are false, before you claim yours is true.

Phaze-Two

Well, if you are going to assume a God exists, the Christian one has the most developed philosophical and theological tradition behind it. Obviously for atheists the first big leap is going to be belief in the supernatural.

a tradition that started in ancient egypt before christianity even began!

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

This is fail. Why is god depicted as the Christian god?

It's one thing to debate the existence of a god, but once you bring in a specific god, you're not just saying god exists, you're saying "god exists and you know him"

To an atheist, you need to prove why all other gods are false, before you claim yours is true.

GIJames248

the Christian one has the most developed philosophical and theological tradition behind it.

Tradition, influence, size, quantity, none of that matters if it's core foundation centers on one logical fallacy: The bible is the word of a god.

To an Atheist, Christianity is no more credible than Lord of the rings.

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

Well, if you are going to assume a God exists, the Christian one has the most developed philosophical and theological tradition behind it. Obviously for atheists the first big leap is going to be belief in the supernatural.

GameGuy642003

a tradition that started in ancient egypt before christianity even began!

no, but are you aware of the parallels that exist between ancient egypt paganism and christianity?

No thanks, I don't need anymore propaganda in my life.

PrototypeTheKid

i turned it off when it showed dave navarro had raided dennis rodmans wardrobe and was playing the devil.

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"][QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

a tradition that started in ancient egypt before christianity even began!

Phaze-Two

no, but are you aware of the parallels that exist between ancient egypt paganism and christianity?

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"] are ya suuure?GameGuy642003

no, but are you aware of the parallels that exist between ancient egypt paganism and christianity?

http://www.pocm.info/getting_started_pocm.html

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]It was worth watching I guess but I don't really understand the point of the video. lancea34

[QUOTE="PrototypeTheKid"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"] How is pointing out the obvious flaws in the vid being an ahole? Assuming of course it is from some kind of Christian perspective. The vid is shallow. Period. Well done production wise. But shallow.

maheo30

You atheist talk a tough game online, but without your **** google, you'd just be another stammering clown. Just don't talk to me kid.

So I just watched part of the first video in your sig and before I got annoyed by that guy's voice I noticed he seems to be unaware of the prisoners' delima.

1. Is this supposed to be Christian? if so why the language?

maheo30

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

1. Is this supposed to be Christian? if so why the language?

2. If it is Christian, it is typical of the horrific theology common in the modern visible church.

3. From an atheistic perspective, I saw nothing that might change someone's mind. Actually, mosts modern atheists should be able to rip it to shreds.

PrototypeTheKid

Then don't watch the guys video then dude, no need to be an ahole.

If you call that being an ahole, then you must be completely new to conversing with humans. Welcome.

I found that pretty laughable. Acting also wasn't really that great.

[QUOTE="lancea34"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]It was worth watching I guess but I don't really understand the point of the video. dkdk999

I love how none of the questions posed by the movie were fully addressed. ca5albert

lol why you keep copying what im saying? are you mocking me or do you agree?

[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="lancea34"] You stole my avatar.lancea34

This is fail. Blue-Sky

Poor acting. Poor directing. Poor script. Poorly paced. Poor Cinematography.

I didn't like it

[QUOTE="lancea34"][QUOTE="dkdk999"] I stole it a long time ago from someone on the bioware forums. That wasn't you was it ? dkdk999