rappers have no talent

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"][QUOTE="dawgsfan1447"]You all are talking about the talking and words and such. Thats not talent or skill, that just something you can do or can't do, it can't be practiced, you are just kind of born able to do it or not. I consider talents and skills something that have to be learned and practiced and take real dedication. Making music is not something you can just do, it takes a lot of dedication. Making a beat for rap doesnt take half a mind and then the actual rap is just something they do. Thats why rap doesn't take any skills, a special gift perhaps, but no real talent.dawgsfan1447

[QUOTE="Headz_Up"]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CLklnMWl63k Papoose - Alphabetical Slaughter

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vKl-hLYvd8I Papoose - Hail Mary

M8ingSeezun

That still DOESN'T justify pure talent in rap music. Anybody who has a knack for writing alliteration can do it.
Plus, adding beats and intrumentals for the background DOESN'T do any justice to prove "talent" in rap.

If Papoose was playing a guitar or even playing drums and rapping at the same time, it would be a different story.

The level of difficulty of just learning to play Guitar, Bass and Drum is extremely overwhelming compared to what's involved in Rap, something most Idiotic dumb-as-dog sh-t Rock music Hating Hip-Hoppers don't seem to grasp and understand.

Surely, there's Wyclef, The Roots, The Beastie Boys, Lauren Hill who play thier own intruments and can Rap.....but there aren't enough of it going around in Rap.

[QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"][QUOTE="Headz_Up"]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CLklnMWl63k Papoose - Alphabetical Slaughter

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vKl-hLYvd8I Papoose - Hail Mary

dawgsfan1447

That still DOESN'T justify pure talent in rap music. Anybody who has a knack for writing alliteration can do it.
Plus, adding beats and intrumentals for the background DOESN'T do any justice to prove "talent" in rap.

If Papoose was playing a guitar or even playing drums and rapping at the same time, it would be a different story.

The level of difficulty of just learning to play Guitar, Bass and Drum is extremely overwhelming compared to what's involved in Rap, something most Idiotic dumb-as-dog sh-t Rock music Hating Hip-Hoppers don't seem to grasp and understand.

Surely, there's Wyclef, The Roots, The Beastie Boys, Lauren Hill who play thier own intruments and can Rap.....but there aren't enough of it going around in Rap.

[QUOTE="dawgsfan1447"][QUOTE="Mind_Mover"][QUOTE="dawgsfan1447"]You all are talking about the talking and words and such. Thats not talent or skill, that just something you can do or can't do, it can't be practiced, you are just kind of born able to do it or not. I consider talents and skills something that have to be learned and practiced and take real dedication. Making music is not something you can just do, it takes a lot of dedication. Making a beat for rap doesnt take half a mind and then the actual rap is just something they do. Thats why rap doesn't take any skills, a special gift perhaps, but no real talent.Headz_Up

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"][QUOTE="dawgsfan1447"]You all are talking about the talking and words and such. Thats not talent or skill, that just something you can do or can't do, it can't be practiced, you are just kind of born able to do it or not. I consider talents and skills something that have to be learned and practiced and take real dedication. Making music is not something you can just do, it takes a lot of dedication. Making a beat for rap doesnt take half a mind and then the actual rap is just something they do. Thats why rap doesn't take any skills, a special gift perhaps, but no real talent.dawgsfan1447

singers dont all play instruments.. neither do rappers. so your point is..?Headz_Up

Both do take time to get used to, but one is just becoming accostomed while the other is learning it to a science.dawgsfan1447

Alright, enough's enough.

I play the trumpet. I was taught how to play one back in 6th grade. I still remember how. I know how to play the tunes, but I also know how to make my own songs. How? By doing the same thing rappers do to learn freestyling....by doing the same thing beethoven did when he first went to France in front of the king to prove his genius :shock:...By listening to the form of music, or musical instrument one plays, and adpating it to one's own musical form.

I listen to all sorts of music-hip hop and rap included. I know that listening to people rapping has subliminally taught me how to freeflow (can't put in a certain word or else the rest becomes "forbidden>").

I also know how much work my brother (yes, a rapper. A decent one as well, I might add)put himself through in order to elevate himself to a higher level than the average rapper. He read a dictionary and a syllabus. Every single word. That's work voluntarily done, kids.

[QUOTE="Headz_Up"][QUOTE="dawgsfan1447"][QUOTE="Mind_Mover"][QUOTE="dawgsfan1447"]You all are talking about the talking and words and such. Thats not talent or skill, that just something you can do or can't do, it can't be practiced, you are just kind of born able to do it or not. I consider talents and skills something that have to be learned and practiced and take real dedication. Making music is not something you can just do, it takes a lot of dedication. Making a beat for rap doesnt take half a mind and then the actual rap is just something they do. Thats why rap doesn't take any skills, a special gift perhaps, but no real talent.dawgsfan1447

[QUOTE="Headz_Up"][QUOTE="dawgsfan1447"][QUOTE="Mind_Mover"][QUOTE="dawgsfan1447"]You all are talking about the talking and words and such. Thats not talent or skill, that just something you can do or can't do, it can't be practiced, you are just kind of born able to do it or not. I consider talents and skills something that have to be learned and practiced and take real dedication. Making music is not something you can just do, it takes a lot of dedication. Making a beat for rap doesnt take half a mind and then the actual rap is just something they do. Thats why rap doesn't take any skills, a special gift perhaps, but no real talent.dawgsfan1447

You actually have to think to write a rock song, but when it comes to rap, it is all the same concept.gman56

You actually have to think to write a rock song, but when it comes to rap, it is all the same concept.gman56

I'm so glad the rap fad is starting to die off. Never liked the stuff, actually tend's to give me a headache sometimes. And i often find most of it vulgar or disturbing. And sometimes insulting.

I'm so glad the rap fad is starting to die off. Never liked the stuff, actually tend's to give me a headache sometimes. And i often find most of it vulgar or disturbing. And sometimes insulting.

Tolwan

I'm so glad the rap fad is starting to die off. Never liked the stuff, actually tend's to give me a headache sometimes. And i often find most of it vulgar or disturbing. And sometimes insulting.

Tolwan

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

I'm so glad the rap fad is starting to die off. Never liked the stuff, actually tend's to give me a headache sometimes. And i often find most of it vulgar or disturbing. And sometimes insulting.

Orlando_Magic

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

I'm so glad the rap fad is starting to die off. Never liked the stuff, actually tend's to give me a headache sometimes. And i often find most of it vulgar or disturbing. And sometimes insulting.

Orlando_Magic

Mmm, MTV's ratings have been taking a nose dive lately, and i've been hearing less about it.

[QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]

I'm so glad the rap fad is starting to die off. Never liked the stuff, actually tend's to give me a headache sometimes. And i often find most of it vulgar or disturbing. And sometimes insulting.

Miami84Chambers

well, there are MTV rappers, and there are rappers that actually make music. you ever hear Geto Boys? Aesop Rock?.. Fiddy?lestercage

This thread makes me laugh:lol: I challenge anyone that says rap takes no talent to drop a verse like Rakim right now.familyguy77

[QUOTE="comrade_sniperr"]they really dont

they dont need to form a group, they dont need to play an instrument, they dont even need to sing.
they just need to talk and be with beautiful women in music videos
Orlando_Magic

Exactly why don't you do that comrade_sniperr since it doesn't require non talent at all according to you, Rap requires skill and talent either you belive it or not comrade_sniperr..

It is skillful and some do have talent, although a lot of it I really cant stand, saw a video the other day, something about chain hanging low, absolutley terrible.V4LENT1NE

[QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]

I'm so glad the rap fad is starting to die off. Never liked the stuff, actually tend's to give me a headache sometimes. And i often find most of it vulgar or disturbing. And sometimes insulting.

Miami84Chambers

I'm so glad the rap fad is starting to die off. Never liked the stuff, actually tend's to give me a headache sometimes. And i often find most of it vulgar or disturbing. And sometimes insulting.

Tolwan

well, there are MTV rappers, and there are rappers that actually make music. you ever hear Geto Boys? Aesop Rock?.. Fiddy?lestercage

You all are talking about the talking and words and such. Thats not talent or skill, that just something you can do or can't do, it can't be practiced, you are just kind of born able to do it or not. I consider talents and skills something that have to be learned and practiced and take real dedication. Making music is not something you can just do, it takes a lot of dedication. Making a beat for rap doesnt take half a mind and then the actual rap is just something they do. Thats why rap doesn't take any skills, a special gift perhaps, but no real talent.dawgsfan1447

I make beats and it's not as simple as you would think.

I don't make simple little club beats though, and I don't loop samples like lazy producers, I chop and rearrange and compose and such.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

I'm so glad the rap fad is starting to die off. Never liked the stuff, actually tend's to give me a headache sometimes. And i often find most of it vulgar or disturbing. And sometimes insulting.

Headz_Up

Rap is here to stay my friend, it's been around since the early 80's.

And you know once upon a time people hated rock, and called it vulgar, and dismissed it as a "rebellion fad" among teens.  It's still going strong years later, is it not?  Rap is too radically different from anything else already established to just die off.  Now, I agree that some sub-genres of rap will die off, such as snap music, crunk, maybe even hyphy, but they aren't designed for longevity, that's flash in the pan type ish.  Just how pop music usually doesn't aim for longevity, they aim for the now, and the green.

Rap may even die off in the mainstream, and I hope it does to an extent, so that us true hip-hop motha****as can take back ourown ish, and keep our songs off their ****ing charts.  Hip-Hop wasn't designed to be a marketing scheme, which is why when it's used as such, it sounds so horrible (ie "Shoulda Lean" or "This is Why I'm Hot")

[QUOTE="Headz_Up"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]

I'm so glad the rap fad is starting to die off. Never liked the stuff, actually tend's to give me a headache sometimes. And i often find most of it vulgar or disturbing. And sometimes insulting.

SunJian18

Rap is here to stay my friend, it's been around since the early 80's.

And you know once upon a time people hated rock, and called it vulgar, and dismissed it as a "rebellion fad" among teens. It's still going strong years later, is it not? Rap is too radically different from anything else already established to just die off. Now, I agree that some sub-genres of rap will die off, such as snap music, crunk, maybe even hyphy, but they aren't designed for longevity, that's flash in the pan type ish. Just how pop music usually doesn't aim for longevity, they aim for the now, and the green.

Rap may even die off in the mainstream, and I hope it does to an extent, so that us true hip-hop motha****as can take back ourown ish, and keep our songs off their ****ing charts. Hip-Hop wasn't designed to be a marketing scheme, which is why when it's used as such, it sounds so horrible (ie "Shoulda Lean" or "This is Why I'm Hot")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNz0mExHeA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YCjfsZ0cHg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS2TY9X3okQ

These songs took talent to make and have meaning.

 I was rollin' around, in my mind it occurred
What if God was a her?
Would I treat her the same? Would I still be runnin' game on her?
In what type of ways would I want her?
Would I want her for her mind or her heavenly body?
Couldn't be out gettin' bogus with someone so godly
If I was wit' her would I still be wantin' my ex?
The lies, the greed, the weed, the sex
Wouldn't be ashamed to give her part of my check
Wearin' her cross, I mean the heart on my neck
Her I would reflect on the streets of the Chi'
Ride wit' her, 'cause I know for me she'd die
Through good and bad call on her like I'm chirpin' her
Couldn't be jealous 'cause other brothers worship her
Walk this earth for her, glory, I'm grateful
To be in her presence I try to stay faithful

[Chorus]
 Faithful to the end
 Faithful to the end
 Faithful to the end
 I'd like to be her very best friend

[Verse 2]
He worked with her, she was his lady's best friend
Even if they don't try some ladies test men
And this was a test that was bigger than him
Some believe its the nature that is given to men
He had a good gig, a wife, a kid, a decent home
One reason or another couldn't find peace at home
She asked, "Why do men always have to stray?"
He said, "I'm bad, not as bad as Eric Benet"
"I used to take 'em out to eat but they wasn't really eatin'
Mighta got a little head but I wasn't really cheatin'"
It's hard when your lady don't believe what you say
And what you did in the past you gotta live with today
She asked if they could spend the night together
He thought, and said, "I'm tryin' to get my life together"
Went home to his lady, these were his confessions
"Baby you a blessin' and my best friend"

Yeah, rap sure is all about them hoes and guns:roll: Yall make me laugh with your ignorance.

 I was rollin' around, in my mind it occurred
What if God was a her?
Would I treat her the same? Would I still be runnin' game on her?
In what type of ways would I want her?
Would I want her for her mind or her heavenly body?
Couldn't be out gettin' bogus with someone so godly
If I was wit' her would I still be wantin' my ex?
The lies, the greed, the weed, the sex
Wouldn't be ashamed to give her part of my check
Wearin' her cross, I mean the heart on my neck
Her I would reflect on the streets of the Chi'
Ride wit' her, 'cause I know for me she'd die
Through good and bad call on her like I'm chirpin' her
Couldn't be jealous 'cause other brothers worship her
Walk this earth for her, glory, I'm grateful
To be in her presence I try to stay faithful

[Chorus]
 Faithful to the end
 Faithful to the end
 Faithful to the end
 I'd like to be her very best friend

[Verse 2]
He worked with her, she was his lady's best friend
Even if they don't try some ladies test men
And this was a test that was bigger than him
Some believe its the nature that is given to men
He had a good gig, a wife, a kid, a decent home
One reason or another couldn't find peace at home
She asked, "Why do men always have to stray?"
He said, "I'm bad, not as bad as Eric Benet"
"I used to take 'em out to eat but they wasn't really eatin'
Mighta got a little head but I wasn't really cheatin'"
It's hard when your lady don't believe what you say
And what you did in the past you gotta live with today
She asked if they could spend the night together
He thought, and said, "I'm tryin' to get my life together"
Went home to his lady, these were his confessions
"Baby you a blessin' and my best friend"

Yeah, rap sure is all about them hoes and guns:roll: Yall make me laugh with your ignorance.

familyguy77

Dope sig.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNz0mExHeA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YCjfsZ0cHg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS2TY9X3okQ

These songs took talent to make and have meaning.

leegar88

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrEujGAL4ZM I forgot one

[QUOTE="familyguy77"]

 I was rollin' around, in my mind it occurred
What if God was a her?
Would I treat her the same? Would I still be runnin' game on her?
In what type of ways would I want her?
Would I want her for her mind or her heavenly body?
Couldn't be out gettin' bogus with someone so godly
If I was wit' her would I still be wantin' my ex?
The lies, the greed, the weed, the sex
Wouldn't be ashamed to give her part of my check
Wearin' her cross, I mean the heart on my neck
Her I would reflect on the streets of the Chi'
Ride wit' her, 'cause I know for me she'd die
Through good and bad call on her like I'm chirpin' her
Couldn't be jealous 'cause other brothers worship her
Walk this earth for her, glory, I'm grateful
To be in her presence I try to stay faithful

[Chorus]
 Faithful to the end
 Faithful to the end
 Faithful to the end
 I'd like to be her very best friend

[Verse 2]
He worked with her, she was his lady's best friend
Even if they don't try some ladies test men
And this was a test that was bigger than him
Some believe its the nature that is given to men
He had a good gig, a wife, a kid, a decent home
One reason or another couldn't find peace at home
She asked, "Why do men always have to stray?"
He said, "I'm bad, not as bad as Eric Benet"
"I used to take 'em out to eat but they wasn't really eatin'
Mighta got a little head but I wasn't really cheatin'"
It's hard when your lady don't believe what you say
And what you did in the past you gotta live with today
She asked if they could spend the night together
He thought, and said, "I'm tryin' to get my life together"
Went home to his lady, these were his confessions
"Baby you a blessin' and my best friend"

Yeah, rap sure is all about them hoes and guns:roll: Yall make me laugh with your ignorance.

SunJian18

Dope sig.

Heh, thanks:) I love the GZA. Sick quote in your sig btw.

I was rollin' around, in my mind it occurred
What if God was a her?
Would I treat her the same? Would I still be runnin' game on her?
In what type of ways would I want her?
Would I want her for her mind or her heavenly body?
Couldn't be out gettin' bogus with someone so godly
If I was wit' her would I still be wantin' my ex?
The lies, the greed, the weed, the sex
Wouldn't be ashamed to give her part of my check
Wearin' her cross, I mean the heart on my neck
Her I would reflect on the streets of the Chi'
Ride wit' her, 'cause I know for me she'd die
Through good and bad call on her like I'm chirpin' her
Couldn't be jealous 'cause other brothers worship her
Walk this earth for her, glory, I'm grateful
To be in her presence I try to stay faithful

[Chorus]
Faithful to the end
Faithful to the end
Faithful to the end
I'd like to be her very best friend

[Verse 2]
He worked with her, she was his lady's best friend
Even if they don't try some ladies test men
And this was a test that was bigger than him
Some believe its the nature that is given to men
He had a good gig, a wife, a kid, a decent home
One reason or another couldn't find peace at home
She asked, "Why do men always have to stray?"
He said, "I'm bad, not as bad as Eric Benet"
"I used to take 'em out to eat but they wasn't really eatin'
Mighta got a little head but I wasn't really cheatin'"
It's hard when your lady don't believe what you say
And what you did in the past you gotta live with today
She asked if they could spend the night together
He thought, and said, "I'm tryin' to get my life together"
Went home to his lady, these were his confessions
"Baby you a blessin' and my best friend"

Yeah, rap sure is all about them hoes and guns:roll: Yall make me laugh with your ignorance.

familyguy77

they really dont

they dont need to form a group, they dont need to play an instrument, they dont even need to sing.
they just need to talk and be with beautiful women in music videos
comrade_sniperr

Stop.

If you agree with the sentiment expressed in the original post, then write a rap right now. It takes no talent, no skill, so why not just end the argument and prove it. All of you ignorant, close-minded people out there, who I'm sure have no talent just like all of those silly brain dead rappers out there, I challenge you to write a rap song that could actually pass as some second rate tune on some mainstream trash-rapper's worst album ever. You can at least do that right?

Gee, if you can't even do that, then you must be really stupid and talentless.

Right now. Go. Surely if any of you guys can do it, then maybe we'll all believe you and change our ways.
GTALoco

This man is completely right. If rapping takes no talent, go write even a semi-decent rap song. Bet yall ignorant folks can't even do that.